Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
You pasted a version with both the vesa driver and the ati, and seem to be commenting/uncommenting parts. Are there any differences beside the driver? Try replacing the relevant section of xorg.conf (XF86Config) with something like the following (and make sure the ati x driver is available) (some details may need tweaking): # ** # Graphics device section # ** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Device configured by xf86config: Section Device Identifier ATI Rage 128 Pro Chipset ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP) Driver r128 #VideoRam32768 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Uncomment the VideoRam bit if needed. Also, What type monitor do you have? Is it an older CRT? It may be being put into a mode that almost, but not quite, works, and this scrambles the screen. Will it work at a low refresh rate than 75? Try 60. MAA On 6/11/2010 10:31 PM, Long Wind wrote: the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Loadi2c Loadbitmap Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRulesxorg Option XkbModelpc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ProtocolImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card # Driver vesa Driver ati EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 46.875 VertRefresh 75 # HorizSync 28-40 # VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
Let me repeat: Some details may need tweaking. I am not sure if the correct ati driver is still called r128, and I think your video card is not AGP, that may make some difference. Look at your monitor's settings. MAA On 6/12/2010 3:25 PM, Mark Allums wrote: You pasted a version with both the vesa driver and the ati, and seem to be commenting/uncommenting parts. Are there any differences beside the driver? Try replacing the relevant section of xorg.conf (XF86Config) with something like the following (and make sure the ati x driver is available) (some details may need tweaking): # ** # Graphics device section # ** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Device configured by xf86config: Section Device Identifier ATI Rage 128 Pro Chipset ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP) Driver r128 #VideoRam 32768 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Uncomment the VideoRam bit if needed. Also, What type monitor do you have? Is it an older CRT? It may be being put into a mode that almost, but not quite, works, and this scrambles the screen. Will it work at a low refresh rate than 75? Try 60. MAA On 6/11/2010 10:31 PM, Long Wind wrote: the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Load i2c Load bitmap Load ddc Load dri Load extmod Load freetype Load glx Load int10 Load vbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card # Driver vesa Driver ati EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 46.875 VertRefresh 75 # HorizSync 28-40 # VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Default Screen InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c13ef6d.9070...@allums.com
problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
I have HP VL420 and etch ati rage 128 pro (or ultra?) works fine in kernel 2.6 but in kernel 2.4, it displays strangely I have to return to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and reboot and I have to use vesa driver in kernel 2.4 ati driver works fine in sarge, which use kernel 2.4 Can you help? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimmzft2u6iew7gnkxnkr7tm7mqq-l3c5vfgi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 04:12 PM, Long Wind wrote: I have HP VL420 and etch ati rage 128 pro (or ultra?) works fine in kernel 2.6 but in kernel 2.4, it displays strangely I have to return to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and reboot and I have to use vesa driver in kernel 2.4 ati driver works fine in sarge, which use kernel 2.4 Can you help? Before that, you need to hint us as to why you're still using a 2.4 kernel. Specialty h/w *might* require a different list. -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12a8e3.4000...@cox.net
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 4:12 PM, Long Wind wrote: I have HP VL420 and etch ati rage 128 pro (or ultra?) works fine in kernel 2.6 but in kernel 2.4, it displays strangely I have to return to text mode (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and reboot and I have to use vesa driver in kernel 2.4 ati driver works fine in sarge, which use kernel 2.4 Can you help? Kernel 2.4 is still used for some specialized reasons, but few people want to use it unless they have such specific reasons. Also, few want to use Sarge, since it doesn't get security updates. Perhaps you might give us a few details about your system and your requirements. Do you have a severe memory constraint, for example? (Most driver updates these days probably assume the 2.6 kernel. You may have to roll back to an older driver, if there is one. Also, it seems you are unsure what hardware you actually have. It might help to find out for sure. The difference might be significant.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12af7e.6070...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktime5nh0elfxw63erz4ha7ruxurjm0bhtusjp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 07:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter Only if you're paying us lots of money for sustaining *really* way past EOL kit. But you aren't... There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12d486.3020...@cox.net
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! Yes. We don't need to know specific reasons. However, just knowing, as an example, that you only have 32M of memory, would tell us that a suggestion to only run 2.6 kernels would not be helpful and to skip that line of thinking. I personally have not run a 2.4 kernel since 2.6 was released, so I cannot help there (my memories are fading). I did some Googling and found that you are not alone in having problems, but a random check of a few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on general suggestions. I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is the agpgart driver set up properly? Sometimes a scrambled screen is a hardware problem, and sometimes it is a memory problem. If all else fails, I used to have some success when compiling the kernel myself, rather than using a stock kernel. This is a blue sky suggestion, it may not be helpful. Did you mean Etch with 2.4 kernel is not working, but it works in Sarge, and Etch with 2.6 works? Thus it is the combination that doesn't work? Then it is a function of of X under 2.4? Have you looked in X-related forums and lists? Have you looked in ATI-related lists and forums? Have you tried searching for similar issues under (*gasp*) other Linux distributions? Have you looked in HP forums? Good Luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12dad1.5010...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 7:54 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: My reason for using old s/w doesn't matter There are plenty of reason for running old s/w that's why archive.debian.org exists not only to offer sarge but potato and rex! but a random check of a few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on general suggestions. I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is the agpgart driver set up properly? Sorry, I meant under Etch, not Sarge. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12db82.2030...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
Thank Mark Allums ! I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application video capturing is hard to learn and config As I'm happy with the old producer I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading My machine is HP vl420 running P4 with 128Mx3 memory On 6/11/10, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: On 6/11/2010 7:04 PM, Long Wind wrote: Yes. We don't need to know specific reasons. However, just knowing, as an example, that you only have 32M of memory, would tell us that a suggestion to only run 2.6 kernels would not be helpful and to skip that line of thinking. I personally have not run a 2.4 kernel since 2.6 was released, so I cannot help there (my memories are fading). I did some Googling and found that you are not alone in having problems, but a random check of a few sites revealed that every person required a different solution, so I must fall back on general suggestions. I don't suppose you are having a difficulty with your BIOS? On older computers, the AGP aperture had to be set correctly. Also: under Sarge, is the agpgart driver set up properly? Sometimes a scrambled screen is a hardware problem, and sometimes it is a memory problem. If all else fails, I used to have some success when compiling the kernel myself, rather than using a stock kernel. This is a blue sky suggestion, it may not be helpful. Did you mean Etch with 2.4 kernel is not working, but it works in Sarge, and Etch with 2.6 works? Thus it is the combination that doesn't work? Then it is a function of of X under 2.4? Have you looked in X-related forums and lists? Have you looked in ATI-related lists and forums? Have you tried searching for similar issues under (*gasp*) other Linux distributions? Have you looked in HP forums? Good Luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12dad1.5010...@allums.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinfxopxpofj0ndpsfjxcrdyqjmizwj0wzn7l...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 08:18 PM, Long Wind wrote: Thank Mark Allums ! I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application video capturing is hard to learn and config Are you implying that there's some specialized PCI card for which there's no known 2.6 driver? As I'm happy with the old producer I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading My machine is HP vl420 running P4 with 128Mx3 memory -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12e586.2050...@cox.net
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 6/11/2010 8:18 PM, Long Wind wrote: Thank Mark Allums ! I use kernel 2.4 because of producer, a video capturing application video capturing is hard to learn and config As I'm happy with the old producer I'm unwilling to spend more energy on learning/upgrading My machine is HP vl420 running P4 with 128Mx3 memory So you have 384M? That is small by today's standards, but should be enough to do what you want. The ATI rage pro is a PCI card, right? What does your /etc/X11/XF86Config have in it? (paste or attach) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c12e53b.7010...@allums.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! below is /etc/X11/xorg.conf # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page. # (Type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Loadi2c Loadbitmap Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadvbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Device Identifier Generic Video Card # Driver vesa Driver ati EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Generic Monitor Option DPMS HorizSync 46.875 VertRefresh 75 # HorizSync 28-40 # VertRefresh 43-60 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Default Screen Device Generic Video Card Monitor Generic Monitor DefaultDepth16 SubSection Display Depth 1 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 800x600 EndSubSection EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen Default Screen InputDevice Generic Keyboard InputDevice Configured Mouse EndSection Section DRI Mode0666 EndSection -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilpnt1tjq_qzdivtbivds7u_k3xcuox499mw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problem with ati driver in kernel 2.4
On 06/11/2010 10:31 PM, Long Wind wrote: the ati card is AGP let me repeat my problem clearly the card/driver work in etch with kernel 2.6 they work in sarge with kernel 2.4 but they don't work in etch with kernel 2.4 though x server does not change! Then why not use a 2.6 kernel? -- There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c130b9e.1050...@cox.net
