Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-18 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The files in /var/spool/news/interesting.groups are the groups that will be
> downloaded next time fetch runs.

That's strictly correct, but let me expand on it a little.

When fetch sees e.g. interesting.groups/comp.os.linux.advocacy, it
reads all new articles in comp.os.linux.advocacy, and creates
directories for the groups those new postings are cross-posted to.

Fetch does this so that if you decide to follow a cross-posted thread
into another group, you won't have to reread the articles you've read
already.

These extra directories do not add up to much compared to the space
taken by the never-read articles you're most likely pulling in: while
du will tell you there's lots of files in the extra directories, every
one of them is hard-linked to a group directory you don't want to be
without.

> Delete files there if you don't want these newsgroups.

Or just stop reading the newsgroups, and leafnode will eventually
delete the files itself.  Takes a week or so.

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-18 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Oct 18, 1997 at 09:55:20AM +, Adrian Bridgett wrote:
> On Oct 16, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote
> 
> The big catch is that you have to edit some files to alter which
> newsgroups you download and I also never seem to see which new groups are
> created.

The files in /var/spool/news/interesting.groups are the groups that will be
downloaded next time fetch runs.

Delete files there if you don't want these newsgroups.

Marcus

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-18 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Oct 16, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote
> Adrian Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I now use inn and newsx [ ... ]
> 
> INN uses the same technique that you dislike, too - lots of hardlinks
> everywhere.  May be ugly, but it's about the only way to store USENET
> using a Unix-like file system.

The thing I disliked about leafnode was the thousands of directories that
it made. You can get rid of these by altering actsync.ctl so that the
groups are never made. For instance I kill off all the microsoft groups
:-) and those in languages a don't understand. I then setup newsx to only
download those newsgroups that I'm, interested in.

The big catch is that you have to edit some files to alter which
newsgroups you download and I also never seem to see which new groups are
created.

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Oct 16, 1997 at 02:54:59PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> > leafnode is a program, you don't need care about - just install it and
> > that's it (ok, change one or two lines in config file).
> > 
> > But you have to install inews, too. Otherwise you cannot post.
> 
> Not really. You can use inews if you like. Or you can use a news reader like
> slrn that posts via nntp. Leafnode will accept the post and feed it to the
> upstream news server next time fetch is run.

I see. Well, I have to admit that I'm not very sophisticated with news
software. I remeber dependencies problems with inews, but they are solved
now.

So, as often, one has multiple choice :)

Thank you,
Marcus
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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-16 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Gustaf Erikson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> However, after subscribing to c.o.l.misc and c.o.l.advocacy with gnus,
> I run fetch. It takes a long time. I check /var/spool/news, and see
> lots of directories for alt, gnu, soc, and uk. I don't want this.

If you want comp.*.advocacy and do not not want cross-posts, I don't
think you're going to get what you want.

FWIW, I use gnus too, and I regularly abort fetch.  Fetch should
handle that reasonably, perhaps except during the very first run.

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-16 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Adrian Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I now use inn and newsx [ ... ]

INN uses the same technique that you dislike, too - lots of hardlinks
everywhere.  May be ugly, but it's about the only way to store USENET
using a Unix-like file system.

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> leafnode is a program, you don't need care about - just install it and
> that's it (ok, change one or two lines in config file).
> 
> But you have to install inews, too. Otherwise you cannot post.

Not really. You can use inews if you like. Or you can use a news reader like
slrn that posts via nntp. Leafnode will accept the post and feed it to the
upstream news server next time fetch is run.

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Oct 14, 1997 at 11:30:14PM +, Adrian Bridgett wrote:
> On Oct 13, Frank Barknecht wrote
> > Gustaf Erikson hat gesagt: // Gustaf Erikson wrote:
> 
> > > However, after subscribing to c.o.l.misc and c.o.l.advocacy with gnus,
> > > I run fetch. It takes a long time. I check /var/spool/news, and see
> > > lots of directories for alt, gnu, soc, and uk. 
> > 
> > That's "a feature", I think. A lot of messages get crosspostet to groups
> > you don't have subscribed and you are not interested in. I even have 
> > /var/spool/news/microsoft/...  :(
> 
> I started to use leafnode, but thought that this was ugly and stopped. I
> hoped that either I was doing something wrong or leafnode would be fixed. 

leafnode is a program, you don't need care about - just install it and
that's it (ok, change one or two lines in config file).

But you have to install inews, too. Otherwise you cannot post.

> I now use inn and newsx (I like newsx, but inn was a pain - maybe now I
> have a better idea things won't be so bad). I have a page at
> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/wyvern/isp which should help if you are
> feeling lucky :-)

For one or a few users, inn is overkill, and leafnode one way to go.

Marcus

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-15 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Oct 13, Frank Barknecht wrote
> Gustaf Erikson hat gesagt: // Gustaf Erikson wrote:

> > However, after subscribing to c.o.l.misc and c.o.l.advocacy with gnus,
> > I run fetch. It takes a long time. I check /var/spool/news, and see
> > lots of directories for alt, gnu, soc, and uk. 
> 
> That's "a feature", I think. A lot of messages get crosspostet to groups
> you don't have subscribed and you are not interested in. I even have 
> /var/spool/news/microsoft/...  :(

I started to use leafnode, but thought that this was ugly and stopped. I
hoped that either I was doing something wrong or leafnode would be fixed. 

I now use inn and newsx (I like newsx, but inn was a pain - maybe now I
have a better idea things won't be so bad). I have a page at
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/wyvern/isp which should help if you are
feeling lucky :-)

Adrian

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Re: problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-13 Thread Frank Barknecht
Gustaf Erikson hat gesagt: // Gustaf Erikson wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm having trouble setting up leafnode to read news. 
> 
> I installed leafnode w/o problems, followed the configuration
> described in the README and README.debian files, as well as an article
> in Linux Gazette #9. This article told me to log into my news server,
> run 'fetch' as root, start a news reader, subscribe to interesting
> groups, run fetch again. This should do it, according to the article.
> 
> However, after subscribing to c.o.l.misc and c.o.l.advocacy with gnus,
> I run fetch. It takes a long time. I check /var/spool/news, and see
> lots of directories for alt, gnu, soc, and uk. 

That's "a feature", I think. A lot of messages get crosspostet to groups
you don't have subscribed and you are not interested in. I even have 
/var/spool/news/microsoft/...  :(

> I don't want this. I
> abort. When I try to find something in the groups to which I've
> subscribed -- bubkis, nada, The Big Empty. Gnus cannot even open the
> groups. Netscape returns a pane with "syntax error". 
> 
> Any ideas?

leafnode is confused about which messages it has received and
where to put them. I had the same problem when I disrupted a "fetch".

Sureley it is not the best solution, but:
You could reinstall leafnode (sounds like MS Windows, but...), run fetch
again, "fetch -v -v" to be more verbose, and don't interrupt it!

Try seting the max number of messages to fetch to something lower than
the default 1000. For testing 50 should be enough. (In /etc/leafnode.conf )
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problem with leafnode and gnus

1997-10-12 Thread Gustaf Erikson
Hello all,

I'm having trouble setting up leafnode to read news. 

I installed leafnode w/o problems, followed the configuration
described in the README and README.debian files, as well as an article
in Linux Gazette #9. This article told me to log into my news server,
run 'fetch' as root, start a news reader, subscribe to interesting
groups, run fetch again. This should do it, according to the article.

However, after subscribing to c.o.l.misc and c.o.l.advocacy with gnus,
I run fetch. It takes a long time. I check /var/spool/news, and see
lots of directories for alt, gnu, soc, and uk. I don't want this. I
abort. When I try to find something in the groups to which I've
subscribed -- bubkis, nada, The Big Empty. Gnus cannot even open the
groups. Netscape returns a pane with "syntax error". 

Any ideas?

I've set gnus to fetch mail from 'localhost', as per orders. 

As far as I know, the news server I'm using is standard issue.

I can read the news sucked down with the command

find /var/spool/news/comp -name '[0-9]*' -exec cat {} \; | more

but I find this a little tiring...

/g.

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