Re: pure debian testing or a distro based on debian testing

2012-01-13 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:11:58 +0530
Amrish Purohit amrish.dis...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Osamu,
Thanks for your reply. I will definitely try installing testing over
stable version. I make my system dual boot so I have a backup. Here is
the way I install the debian, please correct me if I am wrong.
I install the core system, then I install gdm3 and gnome-terminal to get
the GUI. After getting the GUI I install the packages as I need it. So I
plan to do the same with testing. First I will install core system +
gdm3 of stable debian, after getting the gui, I will change the
repositories in /etc/apt/sourcelist and make dist upgrade. I hope this
will work.
Please comment if any thing is wrong.

Two points:

- Wouldn't it be better to change the source.list to debian testing straight
after installation? That way you will not need to download Gnome packages from
stable, saving bandwidth and time.

- If you want Gnome, it is probably better to use tasksel[1], so that all the
Gnome-related goodies are installed and configured. Installing just login
manager and terminal application will only bring in minimal necessary
dependencies, giving you a rather poor GUI experience - you might as well stay
in text console.


1. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome#task

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Re: pure debian testing or a distro based on debian testing

2012-01-13 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:53:35PM +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:11:58 +0530
 Amrish Purohit amrish.dis...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Osamu,
 Thanks for your reply. I will definitely try installing testing over
 stable version. I make my system dual boot so I have a backup. Here is
 the way I install the debian, please correct me if I am wrong.
 I install the core system, then I install gdm3 and gnome-terminal to get
 the GUI. After getting the GUI I install the packages as I need it. So I
 plan to do the same with testing. First I will install core system +
 gdm3 of stable debian, after getting the gui, I will change the
 repositories in /etc/apt/sourcelist and make dist upgrade. I hope this
 will work.
 Please comment if any thing is wrong.
 
 Two points:
 
 - Wouldn't it be better to change the source.list to debian testing straight
 after installation? That way you will not need to download Gnome packages from
 stable, saving bandwidth and time.

That exactly I meant to suggest but Amrish maybe uncomfortable working
without GUI terminal or I may have failed to explain well...  Console is
less problematic.  As long as he stays within X, gdm3 and
gnome-terminal, it is not really bad.  (But X xdm and xterm may be even
better.)
 
 - If you want Gnome, it is probably better to use tasksel[1], so that all the
 Gnome-related goodies are installed and configured. 

Very true.

 Installing just login
 manager and terminal application will only bring in minimal necessary
 dependencies, giving you a rather poor GUI experience - you might as well stay
 in text console.

I do not know what he mean by the core system.  I hope it meant up to
simple X.  gnome-core package is already huge :-)

Installing task-gnome-desktop package and its all depends and recommends
is good idea (which I think tasksel menu will do.)

Osamu



 
 1. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome#task
 
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Re: pure debian testing or a distro based on debian testing

2012-01-10 Thread Amrish Purohit
Hi Osamu,
Thanks for your reply. I will definitely try installing testing over
stable version. I make my system dual boot so I have a backup. Here is
the way I install the debian, please correct me if I am wrong.
I install the core system, then I install gdm3 and gnome-terminal to get
the GUI. After getting the GUI I install the packages as I need it. So I
plan to do the same with testing. First I will install core system +
gdm3 of stable debian, after getting the gui, I will change the
repositories in /etc/apt/sourcelist and make dist upgrade. I hope this
will work.
Please comment if any thing is wrong.

Thanks
Amrish

On Monday 09 January 2012 07:34 PM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
 Hi,

 On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 07:02:01PM +0530, Amrish Purohit wrote:
   
 Hi all,
 I am using debian stable as my primary OS. I want to involve in
 debian and as a first step I would like to install debian testing. I
 have tried to install debian testing with various snapshot of weekly
 build, but my system get stuck when gui come up ,keyboard and mouse
 is not working.
 
 Sometime installer does not work well for testing/unstable.

   
 I think I should go with a distro based on debian testing.
 (considering mint on debian testing). what should I do?
 
 Maybe ... if such thing exist.  But do you know most of us install
 stable system and upgrade it to testing/unstable.

   
 Should I go with pure debian testing or a distro on debian testing?
 
 I think you should at least try upgrading system after installing stable
 system on separate partition as dual boot.

 If you want to make you life easy, install non-desktop small system
 first.

 Then edit /etc/apt/souces.list to replace stable or squeeze with wheezy and 
 run
  # apt-get update
  # apt-get dist-upgrade

 Then run tasksel or with aptitude, install desktop task and you are
 done.

 You should at least read this section:

 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_package_management_prerequisites

 Osamu
   


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pure debian testing or a distro based on debian testing

2012-01-09 Thread Amrish Purohit

Hi all,
I am using debian stable as my primary OS. I want to involve in 
debian and as a first step I would like to install debian testing. I 
have tried to install debian testing with various snapshot of weekly 
build, but my system get stuck when gui come up ,keyboard and mouse is 
not working.
I think I should go with a distro based on debian testing. 
(considering mint on debian testing). what should I do?

Should I go with pure debian testing or a distro on debian testing?


Thanks
Amrish


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Re: pure debian testing or a distro based on debian testing

2012-01-09 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi,

On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 07:02:01PM +0530, Amrish Purohit wrote:
 Hi all,
 I am using debian stable as my primary OS. I want to involve in
 debian and as a first step I would like to install debian testing. I
 have tried to install debian testing with various snapshot of weekly
 build, but my system get stuck when gui come up ,keyboard and mouse
 is not working.

Sometime installer does not work well for testing/unstable.

 I think I should go with a distro based on debian testing.
 (considering mint on debian testing). what should I do?

Maybe ... if such thing exist.  But do you know most of us install
stable system and upgrade it to testing/unstable.

 Should I go with pure debian testing or a distro on debian testing?

I think you should at least try upgrading system after installing stable
system on separate partition as dual boot.

If you want to make you life easy, install non-desktop small system
first.

Then edit /etc/apt/souces.list to replace stable or squeeze with wheezy and run
 # apt-get update
 # apt-get dist-upgrade

Then run tasksel or with aptitude, install desktop task and you are
done.

You should at least read this section:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_package_management_prerequisites

Osamu


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