Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
Le dimanche 24 décembre 2006 20:33, Hal Vaughan a écrit : On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Also, I have found the sarge to etch upgrade to be brutal. The systems I have tried to upgrade recently are all in shambles. The particular problem I've encountered seems to be the Xfree86 - xorg 7 transition. Fortunately, I didn't have any boxen running Potato that I had to upgrade. Going from Sarge to Etch will be my first upgrade from one stable to the next. I remember reading about how it was a major pain to upgrade some packages from Potato to Sarge. I have some servers running Sarge that don't have X at all. Are there other packages that would make updating them to Etch difficult once Etch goes stable? Hal I've just tried in a VMware virtual machine, from a pure simple sarge (mail server oriented) to etch. I thought I never could finish, I wanted aptitude to be upgraded at first, and it fails, but it upgrade the libc. Then, aptitude and apt-get could not use this new libc. I think that the first problem came from initramfs-tools that is needed for the new kernel. As I didn't want that to append, I insist to upgrade aptitude, perhaps with apt-get too... I reach a point where I had no kernel anymore ! Fortunately, some packages had been downloaded in /var/cache/apt/archive, and dpkg worked. I managed to upgrade aptitude, after installing apt from there. And then aptitude dist-upgrade could have finished. To sum up, I think there is a problem with kernel upgrade, with initrd-tools/initramfs-tools and hotplug/udev which are not compatible between kernels. pgpstbi5e0grr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I have found the sarge to etch upgrade to be brutal. The systems I have tried to upgrade recently are all in shambles. The particular problem I've encountered seems to be the Xfree86 - xorg 7 transition. It's a real trick to get it to upgrade, especially if there are any non-Debian packages on the system, and even after upgrade, I haven't got X into a reliable working state. -- hendrik I dist-upgraded from sarge to etch and went thru the same pains. I boxed with xserver-org for an hour and got all beat up. Finally, i opted to move to sid, but i did not like it, at least it was working, something that did not happened with etch, my spanish keyboard did not work right, eventhough i did countless dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. At this point i was debating if i should wipe everything and go back to installing sarge or etch from scratch but reconfiguring my apps is a PITA. While googling i found this blog, and went from sid back to etch without any problems, - i had nothing to lose - so i'm on etch (the runabout way) and with no problems, my kbd works flawlessly. Sid - Etch http://bertgarcia.com/2006/10/03/giga-meet-etch greetings, macondo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
macondo escribe: I dist-upgraded from sarge to etch and went thru the same pains. I boxed with xserver-org for an hour and got all beat up. Finally, i opted to move to sid, but i did not like it, at least it was working, something that did not happened with etch, my spanish keyboard did not work right, eventhough i did countless dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. At this point i was debating if i should wipe everything and go back to installing sarge or etch from scratch but reconfiguring my apps is a PITA. Probably the point was looking inside xorg.conf instead of endless dpkg-reconfiguring... Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ m. +34679156321 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ivalladt j. [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Also, I have found the sarge to etch upgrade to be brutal. The systems I have tried to upgrade recently are all in shambles. The particular problem I've encountered seems to be the Xfree86 - xorg 7 transition. Fortunately, I didn't have any boxen running Potato that I had to upgrade. Going from Sarge to Etch will be my first upgrade from one stable to the next. I remember reading about how it was a major pain to upgrade some packages from Potato to Sarge. I have some servers running Sarge that don't have X at all. Are there other packages that would make updating them to Etch difficult once Etch goes stable? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hope something starts to work soon. It has before. If you are on adial-up, I hope you have a package caceh somewhere so you won't have to repeatedly download the same packages as you try different approaches. The various package managers are all smart enough to pick up where they left off. Much like wget -c ... -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 02:02:41AM +, s. keeling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hope something starts to work soon. It has before. If you are on adial-up, I hope you have a package caceh somewhere so you won't have to repeatedly download the same packages as you try different approaches. The various package managers are all smart enough to pick up where they left off. Much like wget -c ... Not if you're desperate enough to reinstall from scratch. Then you'll be happy if you have apt-cacher os something like that running on another machine. -- hendrik -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
questions for when Etch goes stable
I've presently got 2 Sarge installs on the stable repo, and Etch on the testing repo. I've seen more than one post saying that testing was frozen, but since then I've had more updates for Etch, and tonight another 50MB of updates. I will probably keep my Etch install on testing when it goes stable, but forget what the new testing install is named. Doh. One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch The other Sarge install I will rename in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. what will be the status of this Sarge install? Are there going to be any updates, bugfixes, security fixes, or is this Sarge install going to be a lost cause? I will probably keep this install on the Sarge repo, as folks from time to time who havn't upgraded, might have questions related to Sarge, and it's nice to be able to boot up an older version to check how it's setup, and perhaps provide some answers to questions. Have a nice holiday. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 07:33:50PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: I've presently got 2 Sarge installs on the stable repo, and Etch on the testing repo. I've seen more than one post saying that testing was frozen, but since then I've had more updates for Etch, and tonight another 50MB of updates. I will probably keep my Etch install on testing when it goes stable, but forget what the new testing install is named. Doh. One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch The other Sarge install I will rename in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. what will be the status of this Sarge install? Are there going to be any updates, bugfixes, security fixes, or is this Sarge install going to be a lost cause? I will probably keep this install on the Sarge repo, as folks from time to time who havn't upgraded, might have questions related to Sarge, and it's nice to be able to boot up an older version to check how it's setup, and perhaps provide some answers to questions. I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but this may help. If you want Sarge to stay Sarge, then use sarge in the sources.list. If you want it to stay stable, then use stable. Same with Etch, if you want the system to stay Etch when Etch goes stable, then use etch in the sources.list. However, if you want it to stay testing, then use testing. Easy as pie. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Sat December 23 2006 10:33, Nigel Henry wrote: I've presently got 2 Sarge installs on the stable repo, and Etch on the testing repo. I've seen more than one post saying that testing was frozen, but since then I've had more updates for Etch, and tonight another 50MB of updates. There will be lots of bug fixes.. :) I will probably keep my Etch install on testing when it goes stable, but forget what the new testing install is named. Doh. Lenny, I think. One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch The other Sarge install I will rename in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. what will be the status of this Sarge install? Are there going to be any updates, bugfixes, security fixes, or is this Sarge install going to be a lost cause? It will remain as it is, you'll be running sarge or oldstable. There will continue to be security updates for a time (probably a short time). I will probably keep this install on the Sarge repo, as folks from time to time who havn't upgraded, might have questions related to Sarge, and it's nice to be able to boot up an older version to check how it's setup, and perhaps provide some answers to questions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On 12/23/06, Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat December 23 2006 10:33, Nigel Henry wrote: I've presently got 2 Sarge installs on the stable repo, and Etch on the testing repo. I've seen more than one post saying that testing was frozen, but since then I've had more updates for Etch, and tonight another 50MB of updates. There will be lots of bug fixes.. :) I will probably keep my Etch install on testing when it goes stable, but forget what the new testing install is named. Doh. Lenny, I think. One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch The other Sarge install I will rename in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. what will be the status of this Sarge install? Are there going to be any updates, bugfixes, security fixes, or is this Sarge install going to be a lost cause? It will remain as it is, you'll be running sarge or oldstable. There will continue to be security updates for a time (probably a short time). I will probably keep this install on the Sarge repo, as folks from time to time who havn't upgraded, might have questions related to Sarge, and it's nice to be able to boot up an older version to check how it's setup, and perhaps provide some answers to questions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yea, I was wondering something similar. I'm running etch. After I read the replies, I checked my source list - and, all are etch, except CD #1 and #2, which are testing_etch. So, when etch becomes stable, I just simply need to install the updates and then it will be the same as stable etch? Sebastian -- ...heart and soulone will burn. - Joy Division
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Sat December 23 2006 11:17, Baz wrote: On 12/23/06, Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat December 23 2006 10:33, Nigel Henry wrote: I've presently got 2 Sarge installs on the stable repo, and Etch on the testing repo. I've seen more than one post saying that testing was frozen, but since then I've had more updates for Etch, and tonight another 50MB of updates. There will be lots of bug fixes.. :) I will probably keep my Etch install on testing when it goes stable, but forget what the new testing install is named. Doh. Lenny, I think. One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch The other Sarge install I will rename in /etc/apt/sources.list to sarge. what will be the status of this Sarge install? Are there going to be any updates, bugfixes, security fixes, or is this Sarge install going to be a lost cause? It will remain as it is, you'll be running sarge or oldstable. There will continue to be security updates for a time (probably a short time). I will probably keep this install on the Sarge repo, as folks from time to time who havn't upgraded, might have questions related to Sarge, and it's nice to be able to boot up an older version to check how it's setup, and perhaps provide some answers to questions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yea, I was wondering something similar. I'm running etch. After I read the replies, I checked my source list - and, all are etch, except CD #1 and #2, which are testing_etch. You don't need to change the cd lines in your sources list, that will stay the same unless you get an updated cd. If you want to continue tracking etch after it becomes stable rather than having your etch install become lenny make sure your sources list deb lines are pointing to etch rather than testing. I think they use etch by default. So, when etch becomes stable, I just simply need to install the updates and then it will be the same as stable etch? Your running etch now so when etch becomes stable you'll already have it.. :) I suspect there will be a number of updates before that happens though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 11:11:15AM -0800, Alan Ianson wrote: On Sat December 23 2006 10:33, Nigel Henry wrote: One of my Sarge installs I will keep on the stable repo, which on dialup will be a lot of fun, as it upgrades to Etch Make sure there is *plenty* of space. I found the upgrade from woody to sarge needed about twice as much space during the upgrade as after, and the sarge installation ended up much larger than the old woody one. I suppose a lot of packages grew. The sarge to etch may be the same. Also, I have found the sarge to etch upgrade to be brutal. The systems I have tried to upgrade recently are all in shambles. The particular problem I've encountered seems to be the Xfree86 - xorg 7 transition. It's a real trick to get it to upgrade, especially if there are any non-Debian packages on the system, and even after upgrade, I haven't got X into a reliable working state. Crash on boot is more like it. I'm still upgrading and reconfiguring moderately regularly, in the hope something starts to work soon. It has before. If you are on adial-up, I hope you have a package caceh somewhere so you won't have to repeatedly download the same packages as you try different approaches. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: questions for when Etch goes stable
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I have found the sarge to etch upgrade to be brutal. The systems I have tried to upgrade recently are all in shambles. The particular problem I've encountered seems to be the Xfree86 - xorg 7 transition. It's a real trick to get it to upgrade, especially if there are any non-Debian packages on the system, and even after upgrade, I haven't got X into a reliable working state. Crash on boot is more like it. I'm still upgrading and reconfiguring moderately regularly, in the hope something starts to work soon. It has before. If you are on adial-up, I hope you have a package caceh somewhere so you won't have to repeatedly download the same packages as you try different approaches. Maybe my method really did save me time, effort, and stress, then. Of course, it required time and disk space. I only had about half of my disk partitioned (with lvm), with plenty of empty space in the used partitions. So I created a second set of equally sized lvm partitions and mounted them in a chroot and used debootstrap to create a minimal Etch system. I then used dpkg -l to get a list of installed packages on Sarge and printed it out. I went through this list and weeded out anything that I no longer use, or need. I then deleted the libraries from the list, as well. This left me with a list of what I needed to have on the Etch partitions and I installed them using aptitude. I still had my Sarge system usable and could simply reboot into Etch every now and then to test programs and configurations. By now it seems to have everything working without having to worry about the XFree86 to Xorg conversion, or the udev conversion. This also got rid of all the cruft that has been accumulating over the last seven or eight years as this hard disk has moved through several different boxen, which was my primary reason for doing the conversion this way. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
