Request for info/help
Sorry if this repostsnot sure it got through the first time I am having a problem with a user and would like some clarification if I did correct or incorrectly. Honest answers appreciated. I performed some work for a company on a Debian Linux system with the prompt on the system (no graphic frontends, etc) indicated it was a Debian 3.0 (Woody) built. The initial issue was a user outside of the company could not get an email sent to a user on the company's server. The company I was performing the work for is using Exim for the mail server, SMTP transactions are not logged. Because of the above fact, I desired to move them to Postfix email. As the system was showing me Woody build, I started dselect using the repository for debian sarge stable build (as I have in the past installed Sarge release candidates from 8/04). Dselect indicated numberous upgrades available for the system (which the system needed regardless). I started the update process, and Perl immediately crashed. User data, email access from pop/smtp, passwords, etc, were not effected, but web mail access via neomail was, needless to say, broken. In doing a little research, I found a Debian 2.2 cd (labeled disk1), a Debian 3.0 cd (labeled disk1), and a Debian 3.1 cd (labeled disk1) laying near this system. What I am thinking is that while they may have upgraded enough of the Debian 2.2 for the prompt to indicate is was a Woody 3.0 system, there was still quite a bit of 2.2 (the perl is what I think was not upgraded), so that when the Perl 5.8.6 from the new stable build tried to install, the stuff on the system was so old that the install broke, and broke the perl that was on the system. Question is - Are my assumptions correct? If anyone else has walked up to the box seeing the prompt I did would they have had any issue in trying the upgrade? Just wondering, Thanks... Mark begin:vcard fn:Mark Huff n:Huff;Mark adr:;;;Bellambi;NSW;2518;Australia email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:0422 904 650 tel;cell:0422 904 650 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
Request for info/help
I am having a problem with a user and would like some clarification if I did correct or incorrectly. Honest answers appreciated. I performed some work for a company on a Debian Linux system with the prompt on the system (no graphic frontends, etc) indicated it was a Debian 3.0 (Woody) built. The initial issue was a user outside of the company could not get an email sent to a user on the company's server. The company I was performing the work for is using Exim for the mail server, SMTP transactions are not logged. Because of the above fact, I desired to move them to Postfix email. As the system was showing me Woody build, I started dselect using the repository for debian sarge stable build (as I have in the past installed Sarge release candidates from 8/04). Dselect indicated numberous upgrades available for the system (which the system needed regardless). I started the update process, and Perl immediately crashed. User data, email access from pop/smtp, passwords, etc, were not effected, but web mail access via neomail was, needless to say, broken. In doing a little research, I found a Debian 2.2 cd (labeled disk1), a Debian 3.0 cd (labeled disk1), and a Debian 3.1 cd (labeled disk1) laying near this system. What I am thinking is that while they may have upgraded enough of the Debian 2.2 for the prompt to indicate is was a Woody 3.0 system, there was still quite a bit of 2.2 (the perl is what I think was not upgraded), so that when the Perl 5.8.6 from the new stable build tried to install, the stuff on the system was so old that the install broke, and broke the perl that was on the system. Question is - Are my assumptions correct? If anyone else has walked up to the box seeing the prompt I did would they have had any issue in trying the upgrade? Just wondering, Thanks... Mark begin:vcard fn:Mark Huff n:Huff;Mark adr:;;;Bellambi;NSW;2518;Australia email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:0422 904 650 tel;cell:0422 904 650 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Request for info/help
Mark Huff wrote: I performed some work for a company on a Debian Linux system with the prompt on the system (no graphic frontends, etc) indicated it was a Debian 3.0 (Woody) built. The initial issue was a user outside of the company could not get an email sent to a user on the company's server. The company I was performing the work for is using Exim for the mail server, SMTP transactions are not logged. Because of the above fact, I desired to move them to Postfix email. As the system was showing me Woody build, I started dselect using the repository for debian sarge stable build (as I have in the past installed Sarge release candidates from 8/04). Dselect indicated numberous upgrades available for the system (which the system needed regardless). I started the update process, and Perl immediately crashed. User data, email access from pop/smtp, passwords, etc, were not effected, but web mail access via neomail was, needless to say, broken. In doing a little research, I found a Debian 2.2 cd (labeled disk1), a Debian 3.0 cd (labeled disk1), and a Debian 3.1 cd (labeled disk1) laying near this system. What I am thinking is that while they may have upgraded enough of the Debian 2.2 for the prompt to indicate is was a Woody 3.0 system, there was still quite a bit of 2.2 (the perl is what I think was not upgraded), so that when the Perl 5.8.6 from the new stable build tried to install, the stuff on the system was so old that the install broke, and broke the perl that was on the system. Depends on how they upgraded. If they just did an update/upgrade, yeah, they've probably done what you think; upgraded the system far enough to read 3.0, but not far enough to fix any brokenness. If they did an update/dist-upgrade, then I'd suspect something else is wrong. If I were you, I'd do an update/dist-upgrade, to see if that brings the system back to functionality. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Request for info/help
Well, I did some further testing and checking and here is what I come to find out. Debian 2.2 shipped with perl5.004 while Debian 3.0 shipped with perl 5.6.1. From what I can find out, perl5.004 is in no way compatible with 5.6.1, and because of the path differences, module differences, etc, the upgrade broke. But who would of thunk that a system showing you it was at Debian 3.0 would have had the old old perl stuff on it???No wonder the company was having problems Mark begin:vcard fn:Mark Huff n:Huff;Mark adr:;;;Bellambi;NSW;2518;Australia email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:0422 904 650 tel;cell:0422 904 650 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Request for info/help
Hi Mark, On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 07:53:08PM +1000, Mark Huff wrote: I am having a problem with a user and would like some clarification if I did correct or incorrectly. Honest answers appreciated. I performed some work for a company on a Debian Linux system with the prompt on the system (no graphic frontends, etc) indicated it was a Debian 3.0 (Woody) built. The initial issue was a user outside of the company could not get an email sent to a user on the company's server. The company I was performing the work for is using Exim for the mail server, SMTP transactions are not logged. Because of the above fact, I desired to move them to Postfix email. From this I would assume you are familiar with Postfix and not as familiar with Exim. Could not Exim done this? Did someone upgrade the system incorrectly and thus caused the error? As the system was showing me Woody build, I started dselect NEVER use dselect! (this warning was told to me, and I never regreted it) using the repository for debian sarge stable build (as I have in the past installed Sarge release candidates from 8/04). Dselect indicated numberous upgrades available for the system (which the system needed regardless). I started the update process, and Perl immediately crashed. I prefer to handle any required upgrades before I fix any other problems. Too many upgrades at one time is often trouble on a mixed system. (as you suggest further down) User data, email access from pop/smtp, passwords, etc, were not effected, but web mail access via neomail was, needless to say, broken. At least the system was not destroyed! Lucky! In doing a little research, I found a Debian 2.2 cd (labeled disk1), a Debian 3.0 cd (labeled disk1), and a Debian 3.1 cd (labeled disk1) laying near this system. What I am thinking is that while they may have This sounds like you had a powder keg waiting for a match to move near it! x-( upgraded enough of the Debian 2.2 for the prompt to indicate is was a Woody 3.0 system, there was still quite a bit of 2.2 (the perl is what I think was not upgraded), so that when the Perl 5.8.6 from the new stable build tried to install, the stuff on the system was so old that the install broke, and broke the perl that was on the system. It does not sound like you have worked with Debian enough if you did not check the state of the software versions before just fixing a 'small' problem. I'd have ask here first or RTFM at debian.org. Question is - Are my assumptions correct? If anyone else has walked up to the box seeing the prompt I did would they have had any issue in trying the upgrade? Cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ ' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Request for info/help
On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:16:15 +1000, Mark Huff wrote: Well, I did some further testing and checking and here is what I come to find out. Debian 2.2 shipped with perl5.004 while Debian 3.0 shipped with perl 5.6.1. From what I can find out, perl5.004 is in no way compatible with 5.6.1, and because of the path differences, module differences, etc, the upgrade broke. But who would of thunk that a system showing you it was at Debian 3.0 would have had the old old perl stuff on it???No wonder the company was having problems Can't speak for others, but I would have made same assumption.. If login says Debian x.y then x.y it is... It could take days to prove/dis-prove otherwise... If I were you, I'd tell them your fee just doubled cause you discovered serious problems that need to be fixed that they didn't tell you about originally.. good luck.. mike.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
request for info
hi im omar shuja a linux fan. i have a very old IBM 86 processor on which i want to install linux. i prefer to install Debian linux. Could you please tell me if i could do so. i dont want to install the latest version with GUI but i want a simple Linux which non graphical , text based and can run easily on IBM 86 and CGA monitor. Also please tell me that what will be the version of that linux that will run on that old computer and from where can i download it? please help me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: request for info
Omar Shuja Siddiqui wrote: hi im omar shuja a linux fan. i have a very old IBM 86 processor on which i want to install linux. Please be more specific about processors: do you mean an 8088 or 80286? If so, no. There is a project going to port a version of Linux to '286s, but it's not mature, and Debian certainly doesn't support that port. If you mean a 80386, then _yes_ Linux supports '386 and greater Intel architecture processors. i prefer to install Debian linux. I know _exactly_ how you feel -Morpheus, The Matrix Could you please tell me if i could do so. i dont want to install the latest version with GUI but i want a simple Linux which non graphical , text based and can run easily on IBM 86 and CGA monitor. You can have the _latest_version_, without a GUI, just fine. Just don't install the X packages. You can even install X clients, really, just not an X server. Not for CGA, anyway... I vaaguely remember that there exists one for EGA. Also please tell me that what will be the version of that linux that will run on that old computer and from where can i download it? I recommend Debian 2.2 (potato), or at least Debian 2.1 (slink). from www.debian.org. The kernel version for potato is 2.2.15. Just off the top of my head, I think that the kernel version for Debian 2.1 is 2.0.38 (?). // I should go look but you'll // find out when you go to // dl installation diskette // images, I'm sure.
