Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
Am Samstag, 15. September 2012 schrieb Camaleón: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:04:47 +0200, lavcina wrote: So first problem in KDE: HDMI output is not always enabled. In what way breaks? Please describe what happens, what's what you see. yes that's the case. The kde Monitor configuration tool sometimes does not recognize the HDMI device and just blank fields are displayed. My little VGA Monitor then becomes the main display and the only one stated in the kde tool. The HDMI Monitor does not start at all or becomes the extended virtual screen. On boot-up only the middle part of my big HDMI screen is used and the login screen blinks slowly - Can you enable the HDMI monitor manually by means of xrandr? Good idea. If it does, a configuration snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d could be helpful. The recommendation to not use any configuration at all is often best, but in multi monitor setups I am using some configuration snippet in said directory on the workstation at work since quite some time, cause automatic setup didn´t work for me either. Before that trying to setup up things with krandrtry might help. But then this settings might only be specific to one desktop environment, namely KDE in this case. A configuration snippet for X.org should work in any desktop environment / session. Reading recommendation: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 So place something along the lines of: - Section Device Identifier My Graphic Board ... Option Monitor-LVDS Internal Panel Option Monitor-VGA External VGA Monitor EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Internal Panel ... EndSection Section Monitor Identifier External VGA Monitor ... EndSection - in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/display.conf (or something like this). Adapt monitor output names to what xrandr tells you as output names. You can hardcode resolutions as needed. I would only do that if automatic detections fails tough. If necessary raise the maximum virtual size. All described on that wiki page. Golden rule: Only configure that which doesn´t work out of the box. Leave everything else out. That approach works really nicely for me since the time X.org was changed to configure almost everything automatically. If need be I could dig out my configuration snippet when I am back at work next week. - Does the same happen with Squeeze stock kernel? If I recall correctly, you were using a kernel from backports. OTOH it might be an idea to try with backport kernel + backport X.org as well. Squeeze Radeon drivers are quite old already. - Does the same happen with an updated kernel (backports has now kernel 3.2.23) ;) Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209181402.29725.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 09:30:29PM +0200, lavcina wrote: What do you mean by OTOH? http://catb.org/jargon/html/O/OTOH.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/introduction.html -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120917164742.GM8568@tal
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
first I want to thank you for your help Camaleón Great, I just wanted to note that a separate /home is not required. everyone has his believes and little inconsistencies;) So first problem in KDE: HDMI output is not always enabled. In what way breaks? Please describe what happens, what's what you see. yes that's the case. The kde Monitor configuration tool sometimes does not recognize the HDMI device and just blank fields are displayed. My little VGA Monitor then becomes the main display and the only one stated in the kde tool. The HDMI Monitor does not start at all or becomes the extended virtual screen. On boot-up only the middle part of my big HDMI screen is used and the login screen blinks slowly First problem in GNOME: screen resolution is wrong. Second problem in GNOME: Refresh rate is wrong. Both issues (with KDE and GNOME) can be due to the static values you have defined at the xorg.conf file. What happens when you rename this file (e.g., to something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old) and boot the system? I don't think there is something like a static config file. I'll show you the ls output of /etc/X11 ls -p /etc/X11 app-defaults/ default-display-manager rgb.txt xinit/ Xreset Xresources/ Xsession.d/ XvMCConfig cursors/ fonts/ Xxkb/Xreset.d/ Xsession Xsession.options Xwrapper.config In Squeeze, the VGA 3D capabilities are not required unless you are using some kind of window compositing (such Compiz or KWin) which benefits from it but in any case, enabling direct rendering wouldn't do any harm while can speed up the desktop direct rendering sounds good. After solving my display problems you are invited to show me how to enable it ... 3D is quite nice too but not really necessary now... greetings Boris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209151622.23839.boris.peri...@gmx.net
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
first I want to thank you for your help Camaleón Great, I just wanted to note that a separate /home is not required. everyone has his believes and little inconsistencies;) So first problem in KDE: HDMI output is not always enabled. In what way breaks? Please describe what happens, what's what you see. yes that's the case. The kde Monitor configuration tool sometimes does not recognize the HDMI device and just blank fields are displayed. My little VGA Monitor then becomes the main display and the only one stated in the kde tool. The HDMI Monitor does not start at all or becomes the extended virtual screen. On boot-up only the middle part of my big HDMI screen is used and the login screen blinks slowly First problem in GNOME: screen resolution is wrong. Second problem in GNOME: Refresh rate is wrong. Both issues (with KDE and GNOME) can be due to the static values you have defined at the xorg.conf file. What happens when you rename this file (e.g., to something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old) and boot the system? I don't think there is something like a static config file. I'll show you the ls output of /etc/X11 ls -p /etc/X11 app-defaults/ default-display-manager rgb.txt xinit/ Xreset Xresources/ Xsession.d/ XvMCConfig cursors/ fonts/ Xxkb/Xreset.d/ Xsession Xsession.options Xwrapper.config In Squeeze, the VGA 3D capabilities are not required unless you are using some kind of window compositing (such Compiz or KWin) which benefits from it but in any case, enabling direct rendering wouldn't do any harm while can speed up the desktop direct rendering sounds good. After solving my display problems you are invited to show me how to enable it ... 3D is quite nice too but not really necessary now... greetings Boris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209151624.52931.boris.peri...@gmx.net
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
first I want to thank you for your help Camaleón Great, I just wanted to note that a separate /home is not required. everyone has his believes and little inconsistencies;) So first problem in KDE: HDMI output is not always enabled. In what way breaks? Please describe what happens, what's what you see. yes that's the case. The kde Monitor configuration tool sometimes does not recognize the HDMI device and just blank fields are displayed. My little VGA Monitor then becomes the main display and the only one stated in the kde tool. The HDMI Monitor does not start at all or becomes the extended virtual screen. On boot-up only the middle part of my big HDMI screen is used and the login screen blinks slowly First problem in GNOME: screen resolution is wrong. Second problem in GNOME: Refresh rate is wrong. Both issues (with KDE and GNOME) can be due to the static values you have defined at the xorg.conf file. What happens when you rename this file (e.g., to something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old) and boot the system? I don't think there is something like a static config file. I'll show you the ls output of /etc/X11 ls -p /etc/X11 app-defaults/ default-display-manager rgb.txt xinit/ Xreset Xresources/ Xsession.d/ XvMCConfig cursors/ fonts/ Xxkb/Xreset.d/ Xsession Xsession.options Xwrapper.config In Squeeze, the VGA 3D capabilities are not required unless you are using some kind of window compositing (such Compiz or KWin) which benefits from it but in any case, enabling direct rendering wouldn't do any harm while can speed up the desktop direct rendering sounds good. After solving my display problems you are invited to show me how to enable it ... 3D is quite nice too but not really necessary now... greetings Boris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209151604.47378.boris.peri...@gmx.net
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:04:47 +0200, lavcina wrote: So first problem in KDE: HDMI output is not always enabled. In what way breaks? Please describe what happens, what's what you see. yes that's the case. The kde Monitor configuration tool sometimes does not recognize the HDMI device and just blank fields are displayed. My little VGA Monitor then becomes the main display and the only one stated in the kde tool. The HDMI Monitor does not start at all or becomes the extended virtual screen. On boot-up only the middle part of my big HDMI screen is used and the login screen blinks slowly - Can you enable the HDMI monitor manually by means of xrandr? - Does the same happen with Squeeze stock kernel? If I recall correctly, you were using a kernel from backports. - Does the same happen with an updated kernel (backports has now kernel 3.2.23) - Does the same happen with GNOME or just randomly with KDE? First problem in GNOME: screen resolution is wrong. Second problem in GNOME: Refresh rate is wrong. Both issues (with KDE and GNOME) can be due to the static values you have defined at the xorg.conf file. What happens when you rename this file (e.g., to something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old) and boot the system? I don't think there is something like a static config file. I'm neither that sure but testing this won't hurt (just remember to make a backup of the original xorg.conf file at first place). I'll show you the ls output of /etc/X11 (re-arranging the output) ls -p /etc/X11 app-defaults/ default-display-manager rgb.txt xinit/ Xreset Xresources/ Xsession.d/ XvMCConfig cursors/ fonts/ X xkb/ Xreset.d/ Xsession Xsession.options Xwrapper.config Run locate xorg.conf and send here the output. And also run ls -l /usr/ share/X11/xorg.conf.d, just in case. In Squeeze, the VGA 3D capabilities are not required unless you are using some kind of window compositing (such Compiz or KWin) which benefits from it but in any case, enabling direct rendering wouldn't do any harm while can speed up the desktop direct rendering sounds good. After solving my display problems you are invited to show me how to enable it ... 3D is quite nice too but not really necessary now... If you're interested, you can enable 3D by following these instructions ;-) http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k329fm$200$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:30:29 +0200, lavcina wrote: (please, do not send html formatted posts, thanks!) Why of course? I don't have a separate /home partitions and still happy :-) my sweet /home is on a separate physical drive and I hope now to be able to mess a little bit around without losing all data...:) Great, I just wanted to note that a separate /home is not required. What problems are you facing in GNOME? Be the more specific you can. ... I don't see where the problem with HDMI is. Can you describe what are the symptoms? Is it related to resolution, flickering, output not detected or bad positioning...? back to my issue: Under KDE everything is in the best order. The image is just as it should be but my HDMI Monitor is not always detected on boot-up. So first problem in KDE: HDMI output is not always enabled. Even when KDE runs the HDMI screen breaks on occasion. In what way breaks? Please describe what happens, what's what you see. When I start GNOME on the other hand the resolution on both screens is poor somehow blurred. First problem in GNOME: screen resolution is wrong. My head begins to ache so I think there is also flickering. Positioning is ok. I suspect that the driver isn't used right. Second problem in GNOME: Refresh rate is wrong. Both issues (with KDE and GNOME) can be due to the static values you have defined at the xorg.conf file. What happens when you rename this file (e.g., to something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old) and boot the system? I would try with no xorg.conf file at all which OTOH, should not be required by now. What do you mean by OTOH? OTOH → On the other hand So you are using the VGA and HDMI ports, right? Using digital outputs is usually recommended (meaning, dvi would be better that vga). (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled To get 3D capabilities you may need to install some binary blob (firmware-linux-nonfree) from the non-free repository. Yes that's right. I use HDMI and VGA ports. I can't use dvi because my second Monitor is an older model with an interesting almost square geometry - very good for reading. Up to now I don't miss the extended 3D capabilities but you never know... In Squeeze, the VGA 3D capabilities are not required unless you are using some kind of window compositing (such Compiz or KWin) which benefits from it but in any case, enabling direct rendering wouldn't do any harm while can speed up the desktop. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2vod9$4lj$1...@ger.gmane.org
OT: rigmarole about debian and radeon
On this list the mails sometimes come delayed through the list. Until you didn't receive an evil postmaster notification, be patient. Sending the same mail within 3 minutes isn't useful, Thu, 2012-09-13 at 15:08 +0200, Thu, 2012-09-13 at 15:11 +0200. FWIW I sort received mails by received, not by date. Sometimes I have to puzzle, because sometimes replies are shown before the request, but that I way don't miss mails that were received to late. You can control if your mails did came through the list, by watching the archive: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ At the bottom there's the information The last update was on [snip] GMT, because the archive is updated with some delay. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347544704.2093.38.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:52:15 +0200, lavcina wrote: to start it should not be unmentioned that my linux knowledge is in development. So your experience is highly needed. For some reasons I want to use the debian squeeze OS. Might be that you feel the same vocation. Now I have installed a debian squeeze OS with the gnome environment and one with the kde GUI. Of course with a seperate home partition. Why of course? I don't have a separate /home partitions and still happy :-) My grafics card, a radeon hd 4850, does not work acceptable under gnome but works fine ( sometimes ) then I start the kde Desktop. What problems are you facing in GNOME? Be the more specific you can. I suspect that something has to be adjusted in the configuration files because the radeon driver ( the free version ) does not work right from the beginning. Sometimes the HDMI device isn't probed right and has difficulties with the EDID number. I use two Monitors one connected via HDMI and a smaller one by VGA I don't see where the problem with HDMI is. Can you describe what are the symptoms? Is it related to resolution, flickering, output not detected or bad positioning...? I tried to create a xorg.conf file but the result is not convincing. I will append to this message the Xlog output and the xorg.conf.new file contents. (...) I would try with no xorg.conf file at all which OTOH, should not be required by now. I will leave the lines I find relevant... Current Operating System: Linux xiuxiu 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jul 26 10:35:23 UTC 2011 x86_64 So you are using a backported kernel... (WW) RADEON(0): Color tiling is not yet supported on R600/R700 (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled (...) (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 has no monitor section (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 has no monitor section (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 has no monitor section (...) (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 disconnected (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 connected (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 connected (...) So you are using the VGA and HDMI ports, right? Using digital outputs is usually recommended (meaning, dvi would be better that vga). (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled To get 3D capabilities you may need to install some binary blob (firmware-linux-nonfree) from the non-free repository. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2t1sk$jks$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: rigmarole about debian and radeon
Why of course? I don't have a separate /home partitions and still happy :-) my sweet /home is on a separate physical drive and I hope now to be able to mess a little bit around without losing all data...:) What problems are you facing in GNOME? Be the more specific you can. ... I don't see where the problem with HDMI is. Can you describe what are the symptoms? Is it related to resolution, flickering, output not detected or bad positioning...? back to my issue: Under KDE everything is in the best order. The image is just as it should be but my HDMI Monitor is not always detected on boot-up. Even when KDE runs the HDMI screen breaks on occasion. When I start GNOME on the other hand the resolution on both screens is poor somehow blurred. My head begins to ache so I think there is also flickering. Positioning is ok. I suspect that the driver isn't used right. I would try with no xorg.conf file at all which OTOH, should not be required by now. What do you mean by OTOH? So you are using the VGA and HDMI ports, right? Using digital outputs is usually recommended (meaning, dvi would be better that vga). (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled To get 3D capabilities you may need to install some binary blob (firmware-linux-nonfree) from the non-free repository. Yes that's right. I use HDMI and VGA ports. I can't use dvi because my second Monitor is an older model with an interesting almost square geometry - very good for reading. Up to now I don't miss the extended 3D capabilities but you never know... best regards Boris
