Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On 2/1/07, Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 31 January 2007 10:52, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:47:29AM -0500, Matt Price wrote: yes, I know. the core-duo hcips seem the obvious hcoice, probably either a thinkpad x60 or a sony sz series. Make that Core 2 Duo. The core Duo probably won't do it at all. Nope, core duo is fine as well. I have a Dell inspiron 6400 with a T2400 (IIRC) ... definitely a core duo and definitely has VT. All core duos from T2200 and up (if not earlier) should have VT capability. I've tried HP, Toshiba and Dell laptops and all had VT enabled and working fine for Xen. How can I tell if my CPU support VT? Could you please post your /proc/cpuinfo for comparison? cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 14 model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz stepping: 8 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 1 core id : 255 cpu cores : 1 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr bogomips: 3662.50 processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 14 model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz stepping: 8 cpu MHz : 1000.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 1 siblings: 1 core id : 255 cpu cores : 1 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 10 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr bogomips: 3657.80 -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- Cheers, Maxim Veksler Free as in Freedom - Do u GNU ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Saturday 03 February 2007 05:20, Maxim Veksler wrote: How can I tell if my CPU support VT? vmx flags which you have should be good enough. I believe vme is related but I'm not sure that it would be good enough by itself. Could you please post your /proc/cpuinfo for comparison? Sorry, I don't have laptop convenient at the moment. -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:59:44PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: Nope, core duo is fine as well. I have a Dell inspiron 6400 with a T2400 (IIRC) ... definitely a core duo and definitely has VT. All core duos from T2200 and up (if not earlier) should have VT capability. I've tried HP, Toshiba and Dell laptops and all had VT enabled and working fine for Xen. The table I found on intel's site I think said the 2300E does not, but the 2300 (no E) and up does. I guess E means 'economy', which of course means you don't get all the features but still get to pay plenty of money. :) Wish I'd stuck with the Toshiba, it had Intel graphics. On the toshiba graphics and suspend all worked out of the box - without ATI graphics not so much, I suppose there are some functional ATI drivers that I could download from somewhere but I'm too lazy to look ;-) Not necesarily. My experience has been that there really aren't fully functional drivers for an ATI. Mostly functional certainly, but never fully. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 18:26, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:25:37PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: The last time I tried KVM (probably release 5) Windows was very sluggish under it. One very noticeable problem was that the clock ran way too fast (minutes going by in seconds). Wasn't KVM just merged like a few weeks ago? How can it be release 5 already? Well their release numbering is a bit strange, it's now at release 12: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=180599 No release kernel contains it yet but it is being merged in 2.6.20. -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
--- Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. IMHO the last thing a responsible Linux user should do is trying to convince somebody who does not want Linux to install Linux, and I am speaking for myself not for you. -- Ottavio Caruso I will not purchase any computing equipment from manufacturers that recommend Windows Vista or any other Microsoft® products. http://www.pledgebank.com/boycottvista Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 18:24 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:06:05PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. The idea of the VM is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now, this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3 disappear, but that's another, longer-term project). Remember KVM _requires_ a CPU with hardware virtualization instructions. Not all CPUs have that. None of mine do so I certainly can't try it out. :) yes, I know. the core-duo hcips seem the obvious hcoice, probably either a thinkpad x60 or a sony sz series. Her main objection right now is that the person trying to convince her is a known linux ideologue who spends hours at a time hacking on his machine, and that she has no interest whatsoever in hacking -- she just wants her computer to work for her in a fully transparent way. Another option is vmware, although that may be too much trouble to use as well. I do want to keep it pretty fast. vmware is fairly straightforward to set up on ubuntu now, htough, so that may actually be a pretty good option. -- Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.org/ TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.org/wiki/Mailing_lists -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
I'm also thinking of trying to run Windows (XP MCE 2005) virtually (Xen, KVM, or qemu) to operate a USB webcam unsupported under linux. I'm wondering whether the MS product registration / activation will be too much of a hassle. My copy of Windows came installed on the box, but when I reinstall it in a VM, it may think it's on a different machine. There was a thread about this here not long ago, but I'm not sure just how difficult explaining the situation to a MS rep over the phone / net would be. I also wonder how important performance considerations are in this situation; all Windows would be doing is reading video from the camera. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On 1/31/07, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/31/07, celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also thinking of trying to run Windows (XP MCE 2005) virtually (Xen, KVM, or qemu) to operate a USB webcam unsupported under linux. I'm wondering whether the MS product registration / activation will be too much of a hassle. My copy of Windows came installed on the box, but when I reinstall it in a VM, it may think it's on a different machine. There was a thread about this here not long ago, but I'm not sure just how difficult explaining the situation to a MS rep over the phone / net would be. I did this on a Dell using vmware with my own laptop; didn't have any trouble, though I also expected some. On the otherh and I never really used that VM so maybe there would have been difficulties down the line. Thanks, good to know. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:47:29AM -0500, Matt Price wrote: yes, I know. the core-duo hcips seem the obvious hcoice, probably either a thinkpad x60 or a sony sz series. Make that Core 2 Duo. The core Duo probably won't do it at all. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 10:52, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:47:29AM -0500, Matt Price wrote: yes, I know. the core-duo hcips seem the obvious hcoice, probably either a thinkpad x60 or a sony sz series. Make that Core 2 Duo. The core Duo probably won't do it at all. Nope, core duo is fine as well. I have a Dell inspiron 6400 with a T2400 (IIRC) ... definitely a core duo and definitely has VT. All core duos from T2200 and up (if not earlier) should have VT capability. I've tried HP, Toshiba and Dell laptops and all had VT enabled and working fine for Xen. Wish I'd stuck with the Toshiba, it had Intel graphics. On the toshiba graphics and suspend all worked out of the box - without ATI graphics not so much, I suppose there are some functional ATI drivers that I could download from somewhere but I'm too lazy to look ;-) -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:31:30PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:06:05PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: Hi there, My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. The idea of the VM is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now, this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3 disappear, but that's another, longer-term project). If those are the only programs she really needs from MS-land, then crossover office would be a real possibility and then you could possibly go completely Linux. We use it at my church since the Pastor and some of the staff need Office XP. Does crossover office provide a replacement for endnote? -- Chris. == Don't forget to check that your /etc/apt/sources.lst entries point to etch and not testing, otherwise you may end up with a broken system once etch goes stable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
Hi there, My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. The idea of the VM is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now, this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3 disappear, but that's another, longer-term project). Her main objection right now is that the person trying to convince her is a known linux ideologue who spends hours at a time hacking on his machine, and that she has no interest whatsoever in hacking -- she just wants her computer to work for her in a fully transparent way. So I am looking for stories from people who have done this successfully, and if possible some web postings that explain how easy it is to do, who transparently it works, and how happy customers are when they get a look at the superior OS which is GNUlinux (or ubuntu, or gentoo, or debian, or whatever). cross-posting to the 3 communities I sort of belong to (ubuntu, debian, toronto lug), sorry if you get multiple copies. Thanks loads! Looking forward to lots of success stories, Matt -- Matt Price History Dept University of Toronto [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:06:05PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. The idea of the VM is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now, this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3 disappear, but that's another, longer-term project). Remember KVM _requires_ a CPU with hardware virtualization instructions. Not all CPUs have that. None of mine do so I certainly can't try it out. :) Her main objection right now is that the person trying to convince her is a known linux ideologue who spends hours at a time hacking on his machine, and that she has no interest whatsoever in hacking -- she just wants her computer to work for her in a fully transparent way. Another option is vmware, although that may be too much trouble to use as well. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 18:06, Matt Price wrote: My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. The idea of the VM is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now, this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3 disappear, but that's another, longer-term project). The last time I tried KVM (probably release 5) Windows was very sluggish under it. One very noticeable problem was that the clock ran way too fast (minutes going by in seconds). If your machine is capable of running KVM then it should also be capable of running Xen. My experience with running Windows under Xen has been very good (no noticeable slowdown in either dom0 or the Windows VM), I am using ubuntu and the default Xen packages provided in edgy. I prefer the idea of KVM (especially on a laptop) and it's developing rapidly so I would expect it to be a good solution before too long - I doubt it's there yet. -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:25:37PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: The last time I tried KVM (probably release 5) Windows was very sluggish under it. One very noticeable problem was that the clock ran way too fast (minutes going by in seconds). Wasn't KVM just merged like a few weeks ago? How can it be release 5 already? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:06:05PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: Hi there, My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop. The idea of the VM is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now, this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3 disappear, but that's another, longer-term project). If those are the only programs she really needs from MS-land, then crossover office would be a real possibility and then you could possibly go completely Linux. We use it at my church since the Pastor and some of the staff need Office XP. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
