Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 04:19:15AM +0100, s. keeling wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Even with computers with BIOS too old to boot from CD, Debian CDs > provide sbm (smart boot manager) which can boot it from a floppy, > which then boots a CD. Mount a Debian CD and "cd /cdrom/install" Well, SBM never worked on my 486 IBM. All my newer boxes can boot from CD directly. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Sarge to Etch Pining apache 1.3 and php4
On 24/03/2008, Siju George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a Few Server running Apache 1.3 and PHP 4 > Is it enough that I put in /etc/apt/preferences > > Package: apache > Pin: version 1.3.* > > Package: php4 > Pin: version 4.* > > and edit sarge from mt /etc/apt/source.list to put etch instead there after > do > > apt-get update > and > apt-get dist-upgrade I'm not sure what your question is (didn't see that email) but if you just want to upgrade to etch and stay with apache 1.3 & php 4, then you can just go ahead and upgrade to etch without any pinning of apache/php versions. The apache 2.2 and php 5 packages in etch are called "apache2" and "php5" and they will not automatically replace your "apache" (1.3) and "php4" packages. > Anything else I need to keep in mind during the upgrade? probably depends on what you are doing with it, but I don't think anything will go wrong that you cannot fix with ssh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch didn't upgrade the kernel and broke software RAID
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 02:47:09AM +0530, Siju George wrote: > Is upgrade painful always like this? Did you read the release notes? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that > >>that's a surprise) Why would I take my netinstall file > >>(167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_? > >>The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess > >>to have an initrd-img on it as well. > > > > No, you don't. The netinst image is self-containing, so just burn it > > on a CD, the computer will boot from it, there are no more actions > > neccessary. > > I don't need to now, but just for scientific experiment I'll > do this, and see what happens. Even with computers with BIOS too old to boot from CD, Debian CDs provide sbm (smart boot manager) which can boot it from a floppy, which then boots a CD. Mount a Debian CD and "cd /cdrom/install" -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch didn't upgrade the kernel and broke software RAID
Siju George wrote: > Hi, > > I upgraded from Sarge to Etch one of my servers. > But the kernel is still the old kernel with sarge in the end and not > Etch's. Any idea why? Dont know the answer to your other question. But in general, the kernel is not upgraded unless you have one of the kernel meta packages installed. Even then, the old kernel is not removed. Having old kernel around is quite handy, because if something goes amuck, you can always reboot and use the old kernel till the problem(s) gets fixed. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrade from Sarge to Etch didn't upgrade the kernel and broke software RAID
Hi, I upgraded from Sarge to Etch one of my servers. But the kernel is still the old kernel with sarge in the end and not Etch's. Any idea why? Also it broke the the Software RAID and made superblocks of some partition corrupted and I had to use xfs_repair to repair them but stimm could not mount them as RAID partitions ( md*) only individual partitions (hda* ) Any Idea why? Is upgrade painful always like this? Thanks --Siju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will Security updates to Sarge stop?
On Monday 24 March 2008 03:00:10 am Siju George wrote: > Hi > > When will Security updates to Sarge stop? See the Debian Releases page at http://www.debian.org/releases/ > I have some servers running it well? Was that a statement or a question? I personally have no idea if you have servers, much less whether or not they're running Debian well (though I suspect if you have servers, Debian runs on it well)... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that >>that's a surprise) Why would I take my netinstall file >>(167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_? >>The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess >>to have an initrd-img on it as well. > > No, you don't. The netinst image is self-containing, so just burn it > on a CD, the computer will boot from it, there are no more actions > neccessary. I don't need to now, but just for scientific experiment I'll do this, and see what happens. Thanks for your E-mail. Alan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading Sarge to Etch Pining apache 1.3 and php4
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Thilo Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg1.html > Thanks Thilo. I have a Few Server running Apache 1.3 and PHP 4 Is it enough that I put in /etc/apt/preferences Package: apache Pin: version 1.3.* Package: php4 Pin: version 4.* and edit sarge from mt /etc/apt/source.list to put etch instead there after do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade Anything else I need to keep in mind during the upgrade? they are remote online servers. Thankyou so much kind Regards Siju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 03:37:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >> > image, boot from it, make a minimal install and then continue > >> > with the DVDs (instead of installing sarge and upgrading to > >> > etch)? > >> Hi, Andrei, thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately my > >> (quite old) computer can boot _only_ from hard drive or CD, not > >> from any other apparatus. I have done a _lot_ of checking on the > >> BIOS, trust me! > > > > I don't doubt that, that's why I suggested the netinstall image, > > because it can go on a CD and is small enough not to take too long. >Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that >that's a surprise) Why would I take my netinstall file >(167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_? >The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess >to have an initrd-img on it as well. No, you don't. The netinst image is self-containing, so just burn it on a CD, the computer will boot from it, there are no more actions neccessary. -- Nyizsa. http://nyizsa.uni.cc -- Free pop3 email with a spam filter. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will Security updates to Sarge stop?
Siju George wrote the following on 24.03.2008 11:00 > Hi > > When will Security updates to Sarge stop? > I have some servers running it well? > I wnat to upgrade to Etch but want to plan it accordingly. > > Thanks > > -Siju http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg1.html -- bye Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When will Security updates to Sarge stop?
Hi When will Security updates to Sarge stop? I have some servers running it well? I wnat to upgrade to Etch but want to plan it accordingly. Thanks -Siju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 03:37:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> > image, boot from it, make a minimal install and then continue with the >> > DVDs (instead of installing sarge and upgrading to etch)? >> Hi, Andrei, thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately my (quite >> old) computer can boot _only_ from hard drive or CD, not from >> any other apparatus. I have done a _lot_ of checking on the >> BIOS, trust me! > > I don't doubt that, that's why I suggested the netinstall image, because > it can go on a CD and is small enough not to take too long. Hi, Andrei, I guess you know something I don't know(not that that's a surprise) Why would I take my netinstall file (167 Mb) and put it on a CD unless the CD was _bootable_? The CD would have to be made bootable, and would have I guess to have an initrd-img on it as well. When I burn a CD, I use mkisofs and cdrecord. I don't know any other way. Maybe you, or some other expert, should write a nice mini-HOWTO about how to do all this. >> that burning those to a CD which was then also to be bootable was >> way beyond my meager capabilities. > > But how did you burn the DVDs? I didn't. "I bought 'em at a shop". At CheapBytes, a nice on-line store for Linux and BSD ware. Best wishes, Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://patriot.net/users/alan There are many good Impeachment sites; one of the best is: www.waifllc.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 03:37:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:54:14AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Because of foolish mistakes of mine(don't ask!) it turned out I > >> had to trash my / and /boot partitions, and completely reinstall > >> sarge, from my ancient and well-used pile of 12 sarge CDs. This > >> took a while. > > > > Wouldn't it have been easier to download the netinstall or businesscard > > image, boot from it, make a minimal install and then continue with the > > DVDs (instead of installing sarge and upgrading to etch)? > Hi, Andrei, thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately my (quite > old) computer can boot _only_ from hard drive or CD, not from > any other apparatus. I have done a _lot_ of checking on the > BIOS, trust me! I don't doubt that, that's why I suggested the netinstall image, because it can go on a CD and is small enough not to take too long. > I explored the possibility of putting a netinstall and boot.img on > a CD, while making the CD bootable. Although I had grabbed a > netinstall.iso and a boot.img, my research led me to the conviction > that burning those to a CD which was then also to be bootable was > way beyond my meager capabilities. But how did you burn the DVDs? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:54:14AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Because of foolish mistakes of mine(don't ask!) it turned out I >> had to trash my / and /boot partitions, and completely reinstall >> sarge, from my ancient and well-used pile of 12 sarge CDs. This >> took a while. > > Wouldn't it have been easier to download the netinstall or businesscard > image, boot from it, make a minimal install and then continue with the > DVDs (instead of installing sarge and upgrading to etch)? Hi, Andrei, thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately my (quite old) computer can boot _only_ from hard drive or CD, not from any other apparatus. I have done a _lot_ of checking on the BIOS, trust me! I explored the possibility of putting a netinstall and boot.img on a CD, while making the CD bootable. Although I had grabbed a netinstall.iso and a boot.img, my research led me to the conviction that burning those to a CD which was then also to be bootable was way beyond my meager capabilities. > If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. > (Albert Einstein) Great .sig! Best wishes, Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://patriot.net/users/alan There are many good Impeachment sites; one of the best is: www.waifllc.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:54:14AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yesterday was a horrendous day! My goal was to upgrade my > ancient sarge distribution to etch, using my three etch > DVDs. It is a complicated problem because my DVD Reader/player > is external, connected through USB, and my BIOS won't allow > booting from it. > > Because of foolish mistakes of mine(don't ask!) it turned out I > had to trash my / and /boot partitions, and completely reinstall > sarge, from my ancient and well-used pile of 12 sarge CDs. This > took a while. Wouldn't it have been easier to download the netinstall or businesscard image, boot from it, make a minimal install and then continue with the DVDs (instead of installing sarge and upgrading to etch)? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Upgrade from Sarge to Etch Satisfactorily Completed
Yesterday was a horrendous day! My goal was to upgrade my ancient sarge distribution to etch, using my three etch DVDs. It is a complicated problem because my DVD Reader/player is external, connected through USB, and my BIOS won't allow booting from it. Because of foolish mistakes of mine(don't ask!) it turned out I had to trash my / and /boot partitions, and completely reinstall sarge, from my ancient and well-used pile of 12 sarge CDs. This took a while. I then ran apt-cdrom -d /media/dvd add. (Remark: I had of course made sure that /media/dvd had been created and that I could mount a DVD on that mount point. And I guess it is important to note that this was all kosherly entered in my /etc/fstab) After some incantations of " . . . upgrade" -- doesn't seem ever to hurt -- I followed the absolutely inspirational advice of Florian Kulzer, and made a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/apt.conf, with the one line: Acquire::cdrom::mount "/media/dvd"; (for safety's sake, following a tidbit in the Release Documentation, I put a symlink to that in /etc/apt/ . >From then, paying careful attention to warnings, and of course being thoroughly backed up, the process of running apt-get dist-upgrade (maybe I used aptitude, already I've suppressed the details of yesterday) was fairly routine. I'm writing this a) as a Shout of Triumph(Yes, debian, if one labors hard enough, Does Work), and b) as a note of thanks and public acknowledgement to Florian Kulzer. Best wishes to all, Alan, a certified Etcher -- Alan McConnell : http://patriot.net/users/alan "The intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Impeachment proceedings should be started immediately. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network latency. Sarge vs Etch.
Hi there, I am not too familiar with the problem you are having but I will make a suggestion. Take a look at what kind of network card you have and google around or check the kernelnewbies website to check if the driver for that network card has been updated in the more recent kernels. Then you could probably compile that new driver (if it is compatible with etch kernel). Good luck, Amit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network latency. Sarge vs Etch.
Hi, everybody! I have recently installed etch to upgrade my fileserver running sarge. The point is that I noticed a network latency problem, that I initially considered unimportant. This latency became a real problem with one of our applications which stores its data in a samba share with over 29000 files about 1k-40k and it is so much slower now. I've made this rudimentary test, and old server is quite faster. I'm pretty sure that if I can tune up this it would improve this application performance [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping -i 0.2 fast_server --- fast_server ping statistics --- 2156 packets transmitted, 2156 received, 0% packet loss, time 431208ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.135/0.171/0.245/0.018 ms [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping -i 0.2 slow_server --- slow_server ping statistics --- 2146 packets transmitted, 2146 received, 0% packet loss, time 429165ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.152/0.179/0.333/0.021 ms Summary: Hardware: old server: 4 year old HP DL server with RAID 5 new server: brand-new HP DL server with RAID 5 Os: old server, sarge new server, etch Samba version: old server, 3.0.14a-3sarge2 new server, 3.0.24-6etch4 Kernel: old server, 2.6.8 new server, 2.6.18-4-686. Thanks in advance -- == Felipe Martínez Hermo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Servicios Informáticos UGT Galicia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:13:58 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:13:58 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:45:24 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:00:13 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: >> >> > Please post the output of: >> > >> > grep ^Origin /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Release >> > >> > >> No output > The "~O" match of aptitude relies on the "Origin: ..." statement in the > Release files AFAIK, so it will not work here. There is a Release file on DVD1 in the /dist/etch directory. It contains md5sums. No reference to "Origin". > If that computer is connected to the internet at all then you should > have the security repository included anyhow. Currently it is present in /etc/apt/sources.list and commented out :-(. When I get my courage up to use "apt-zip", I will remove the mark and bring my OS up-to-date. Hitherto, all the flagged security issues have been "local" and hence are not a problem when there is only one user. Thank you for taking the time to clarify my confusion. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 21:45:24 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:00:13 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > Please post the output of: > > > > grep ^Origin /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Release > > > > No output > > Perhaps "ls -lt /var/lib/apt/lists" will tell you something. It lists: > > > total 19224 > -rw-r- 1 root root 0 2008-01-20 21:10 lock > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2007-06-07 11:09 partial > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8563083 2007-06-07 07:29 > Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 153166 2007-06-07 07:29 > Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5637840 2007-06-07 07:25 > Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48687 2007-06-07 07:25 > Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5253161 2007-06-07 07:22 > Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18707 2007-06-07 07:22 > Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages Hmm, obviously there are no Release files for the DVDs, either because they do not exist on the DVDs themselves or because apt-cdrom does not copy them to /var/lib/apt/lists. The "~O" match of aptitude relies on the "Origin: ..." statement in the Release files AFAIK, so it will not work here. I have no idea if this is the expected behavior for DVDs (and maybe CDs as well), because I never bother to keep the netinstall cdrom line in my sources.list. You might have to add a Debian mirror to the sources.list and run aptitude update if you want to make the "~O" match working. If that computer is connected to the internet at all then you should have the security repository included anyhow, even if you don't care about the rest. To address your original problem, it might be enough to search for obsolete packages: aptitude search '~o" (lowercase o!) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:00:13 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > Please post the output of: > > grep ^Origin /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Release > No output Perhaps "ls -lt /var/lib/apt/lists" will tell you something. It lists: total 19224 -rw-r- 1 root root 0 2008-01-20 21:10 lock drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2007-06-07 11:09 partial -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8563083 2007-06-07 07:29 Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 153166 2007-06-07 07:29 Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5637840 2007-06-07 07:25 Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48687 2007-06-07 07:25 Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5253161 2007-06-07 07:22 Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18707 2007-06-07 07:22 Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages Felix -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 20:36:04 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:31:27 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: [ We are trying to figure out why "aptitude search '~i!~Odebian'", a command meant to find all installed non-Debian packages, returns so many false positives on Felix's Debian Etch system. ] > > What do you see when you run > > apt-cache policy a2ps adduser alsa-base > > ? > > The following: > > | a2ps: > | Installed: 1:4.13b.dfsg.1-1 > | Candidate: 1:4.13b.dfsg.1-1 > | Version table: > | *** 1:4.13b.dfsg.1-1 0 > | 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD > Binary-1 20070407-11:40] unstable/main Packages > | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [...] Why does apt not recognise the packages from the DVDs as official Debian packages? Please post the output of: grep ^Origin /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Release -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:31:27 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > What do you see when you run > apt-cache policy a2ps adduser alsa-base > ? The following: | a2ps: | Installed: 1:4.13b.dfsg.1-1 | Candidate: 1:4.13b.dfsg.1-1 | Version table: | *** 1:4.13b.dfsg.1-1 0 | 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] unstable/main Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | adduser: | Installed: 3.102 | Candidate: 3.102 | Version table: | *** 3.102 0 | 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] unstable/main Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | alsa-base: | Installed: 1.0.13-5 | Candidate: 1.0.13-5 | Version table: | *** 1.0.13-5 0 | 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] unstable/main Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 20:03:37 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:40:09 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 08:54:02PM +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > > > >> I recollect running a command that identified non-Debian packages > >> as part of the upgrade to Etch and *the command gave the expected > >> output*. But, alas, I can no longer find what that command was. > > > > I'm now completely confused. The problem is just that you want to > > find the command that you ran before? Am I understanding correctly? > > > > Daniel > > I was hoping that: > > | aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' > > was the command that I ran successfully as part of the upgrade from > Sarge to Etch and had forgotten. > > If it is the same command, it is now behaving quite differently. I > refrained from posting the output that it now produces because the > output is lengthy and I wanted to conserve bandwidth. But here are the > first few lines of that output: > > | i a2ps - GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' conver > | i A abiword-common - WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2 > | i A abiword-gnome- WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2/GNOME > | i abiword-help - online help for AbiWord > | i adduser - Add and remove users and groups > | i afio - archive file manipulation program > | i A akregator- RSS feed aggregator for KDE > | i alien- install non-native packages with dpkg > | i alsa-base- ALSA driver configuration files > | i alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications > | i alsa-utils - ALSA utilities What do youe see when you run apt-cache policy a2ps adduser alsa-base ? -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:40:09 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 08:54:02PM +, Felix Karpfen ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> I recollect running a command that identified non-Debian packages >> as part of the upgrade to Etch and *the command gave the expected >> output*. But, alas, I can no longer find what that command was. > > I'm now completely confused. The problem is just that you want to > find the command that you ran before? Am I understanding correctly? > > Daniel I was hoping that: | aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' was the command that I ran successfully as part of the upgrade from Sarge to Etch and had forgotten. If it is the same command, it is now behaving quite differently. I refrained from posting the output that it now produces because the output is lengthy and I wanted to conserve bandwidth. But here are the first few lines of that output: | i a2ps - GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' conver | i A abiword-common - WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2 | i A abiword-gnome- WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2/GNOME | i abiword-help - online help for AbiWord | i adduser - Add and remove users and groups | i afio - archive file manipulation program | i A akregator- RSS feed aggregator for KDE | i alien- install non-native packages with dpkg | i alsa-base- ALSA driver configuration files | i alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications | i alsa-utils - ALSA utilities I hope that makes things clearer. It is just a niggle. Etch works like a charm! Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 08:54:02PM +, Felix Karpfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:34:14 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > They failed to address my misunderstanding and the fault was mine. > > My concern arose not from the absence of "vuescan" (which - as pointed > out - is a monolithic binary package) but the presence of many dozens > of packages that were *not* non-Debian packages. > > The concern arose from the fact that - following the upgrade > instructions to the letter - I recollect running a command that > identified non-Debian packages as part of the upgrade to Etch and *the > command gave the expected output*. But, alas, I can no longer find > what that command was. I'm now completely confused. The problem is just that you want to find the command that you ran before? Am I understanding correctly? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:34:14 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: >> Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running: >> >> aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' >> > > As an aptitude-novice, I tried the above command on my > fully-operational upgrade from Sarge to Etch. It gave **a long list of > installed packages - almost all of which were part of the Debian > install***. > > What have I ? Firstly, I would like to thank Florian Kulzer and Daniel Burrows for their replies. They failed to address my misunderstanding and the fault was mine. My concern arose not from the absence of "vuescan" (which - as pointed out - is a monolithic binary package) but the presence of many dozens of packages that were *not* non-Debian packages. The concern arose from the fact that - following the upgrade instructions to the letter - I recollect running a command that identified non-Debian packages as part of the upgrade to Etch and *the command gave the expected output*. But, alas, I can no longer find what that command was. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) Daniel Burrows -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 19:06:27 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:53:48PM +0100, Florian Kulzer was heard to say: > > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 20:34:14 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > > > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > > Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running: > > > > > > > > aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' [...] > > > The generated list included one of the two non-Debian packages (opera)- > > > deleted during the install and replaced subsequently. It failed to find > > > the only other non-Debian package (vuescan). > > > > How did you install vuescan? Maybe it does not properly identify itself > > as non-Debian. > > Any package that isn't in an archive with Origin: Debian will be > matched by that expression; whoever provides the vuescan package would > have had to go out of their way to label their archive as being a Debian > archive in order for this to happen. "apt-cache policy vuescan" and/or > "apt-cache showpkg vuescan" might give a hint about what's happening. It seems that vuescan is distributed as a monolithic binary that is not installed anywhere on the system as far as apt and dpkg are concerned. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:53:48PM +0100, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 20:34:14 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running: > > > > > > aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' > > > > As an aptitude-novice, I tried the above command on my > > fully-operational upgrade from Sarge to Etch. It gave a long list of > > installed packages - almost all of which were part of the Debian > > install. > > What does your sources.list look like? I could understand this behavior > if you had non-Debian archives included that provide packages with the > same names as official packages. (The backports archive would be an > example.) The above search term matches any packet that is installed and > that has a non-Debian version in one of the archives known by apt; this > non-Debian version does not have to be the one that is actually > installed. If you want to avoid this ambiguity then you have to add the > version narrowing operator: Packages that are obsolete are IIRC considered to have no origin, because they aren't included in any known package archive. You could try searching for '~i!~Odebian!~o instead, maybe. > > The generated list included one of the two non-Debian packages (opera)- > > deleted during the install and replaced subsequently. It failed to find > > the only other non-Debian package (vuescan). > > How did you install vuescan? Maybe it does not properly identify itself > as non-Debian. Any package that isn't in an archive with Origin: Debian will be matched by that expression; whoever provides the vuescan package would have had to go out of their way to label their archive as being a Debian archive in order for this to happen. "apt-cache policy vuescan" and/or "apt-cache showpkg vuescan" might give a hint about what's happening. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 20:34:14 +, Felix Karpfen wrote: > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running: > > > > aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' > > As an aptitude-novice, I tried the above command on my > fully-operational upgrade from Sarge to Etch. It gave a long list of > installed packages - almost all of which were part of the Debian > install. What does your sources.list look like? I could understand this behavior if you had non-Debian archives included that provide packages with the same names as official packages. (The backports archive would be an example.) The above search term matches any packet that is installed and that has a non-Debian version in one of the archives known by apt; this non-Debian version does not have to be the one that is actually installed. If you want to avoid this ambiguity then you have to add the version narrowing operator: aptitude search '~S~i!~Odebian' It is also possible that you found a bug in the Etch version of aptitude; I use version 0.4.10-1+b1 on Sid and these search terms work as expected on my system. > The generated list included one of the two non-Debian packages (opera)- > deleted during the install and replaced subsequently. It failed to find > the only other non-Debian package (vuescan). How did you install vuescan? Maybe it does not properly identify itself as non-Debian. > I also ran the following: > > | $ aptitude search '~i! ~Odebian' | grep opera* Side note: The asterisk is not necessary here. You are probably mixing up bash globbing and regular expressions. > and got : > > | i eject - ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers > | i opera - The Opera Web Browser > > What have I ? I don't see any problem with the last part; both these lines contain the string "opera", so they match the expression for which you are grepping. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running: > > aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' > As an aptitude-novice, I tried the above command on my fully-operational upgrade from Sarge to Etch. It gave a long list of installed packages - almost all of which were part of the Debian install. The generated list included one of the two non-Debian packages (opera)- deleted during the install and replaced subsequently. It failed to find the only other non-Debian package (vuescan). I also ran the following: | $ aptitude search '~i! ~Odebian' | grep opera* and got : | i eject - ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers | i opera - The Opera Web Browser What have I ? Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package dependencies issues
On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 23:32:12 +, Dimitrios Daskalakis wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:41:11 +, Dimitrios Daskalakis wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I am trying to upgrade my distribution from sarge to > > > etch. [...] > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > > xlibmesa-gl: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable > > >Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. > > > xlibmesa-glu: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable > > > Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. > > > libglu1-mesa: Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. > > > libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed. > > > libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. > > > > Please post the output of these two commands: > > > > apt-cache policy xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx > > The output for this command is this: [ I edited the output to remove redundant information. ] > xlibmesa-gl: > Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5 > Candidate: 1:7.1.0-19 > xlibmesa-glu: > Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5 > Candidate: 1:7.1.0-19 > libglu1-mesa: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 6.5.1-0.6 > libgl1-mesa-glx: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 6.5.1-0.6 Hmm, that seems normal to me. The new versions of both xlibmesa-gl and xlibmesa-glu are transitional packages to smooth the upgrade from Sarge to Etch, therefore I do not immediately understand how they can cause problems for you. > > aptitude search '~i~Dlibfam0c102' > > The output of this command is nothing at all. Again, libfam0c102 on Etch is a transitional package and nothing on your present system seems to depend on it; I am puzzled why aptitude is bothered by it. A common problem for Sarge-Etch transitions is the presence of non-Debian packages with dependencies that do not fit in the overall upgrade scheme (Sarge-backports or pre-Sarge packages can also cause trouble). Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running: aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package dependencies issues
Hello Florian. Thx for your reply. See underneath my answers to your questions. --- Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:41:11 +, Dimitrios > Daskalakis wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to upgrade my distribution from sarge > to > > etch. > > Are you following the upgrade procedure that is > outlined in Etch's > release notes? Yes. I am doing exactly what the release notes say. That's the link I read. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html > > > Having upgraded successfully the 2.4 kernel to > 2.6, I > > update my sources.list (change sarge to stable, so > I > > get etch) and I run aptitude upgrade. Then ... > > Do you run "aptitude update" before that? Yes. I make sure I set my sources.list to get sarge packages and I update. > > > aptitude dist-upgrade > > > > which unfortunately gives me these errors: > > [...] > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > xlibmesa-gl: Depends: xfree86-common but it is > not installable > >Conflicts: libgl1 which is a > virtual package. > > xlibmesa-glu: Depends: xfree86-common but it is > not installable > > Conflicts: libglu1 which is a > virtual package. > > libglu1-mesa: Conflicts: libglu1 which is a > virtual package. > > libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is > to be installed. > > libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a > virtual package. > > Please post the output of these two commands: > > apt-cache policy xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu > libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx The output for this command is this: xlibmesa-gl: Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5 Candidate: 1:7.1.0-19 Version Table: 1:7.1.0-19 0 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org stable/main Packages *** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status xlibmesa-glu: Installed: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5 Candidate: 1:7.1.0-19 Version Table: 1:7.1.0-19 0 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org stable/main Packages *** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status libglu1-mesa: Installed: (none) Candidate: 6.5.1-0.6 Version Table: 6.5.1-0.6 0 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org stable/main Packages libgl1-mesa-glx: Installed: (none) Candidate: 6.5.1-0.6 Version Table: 6.5.1-0.6 0 500 http://ftp.nl.debian.org stable/main Packages > > aptitude search '~i~Dlibfam0c102' The output of this command is nothing at all. > > -- > Regards,| > http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer > Florian | > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package dependencies issues
On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 22:41:11 +, Dimitrios Daskalakis wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to upgrade my distribution from sarge to > etch. Are you following the upgrade procedure that is outlined in Etch's release notes? > Having upgraded successfully the 2.4 kernel to 2.6, I > update my sources.list (change sarge to stable, so I > get etch) and I run aptitude upgrade. Then ... Do you run "aptitude update" before that? > aptitude dist-upgrade > > which unfortunately gives me these errors: [...] > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > xlibmesa-gl: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable >Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. > xlibmesa-glu: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable > Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. > libglu1-mesa: Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. > libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed. > libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. Please post the output of these two commands: apt-cache policy xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-glu libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx aptitude search '~i~Dlibfam0c102' -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge EOL date
Kevin Mark wrote: [...] > Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one > year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge). > > Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period > of Security Support ? It will be the same; security support ending in April 2008. Steve -- Do you have systems that need this support continued? If so, there are Debian consultants on www.debian.org. Do you have systems that can not use testing or a newer stable release? We have ~50 servers that still are running Sarge. All I needed was an official EOL date so that I could plan the transition to Etch and justify the use of extra manhours to upper management. -K [...] -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Henrik Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge EOL date
Steve Kemp wrote: [...] Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge). Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period of Security Support ? It will be the same; security support ending in April 2008. Thank you for clarifying that for me. Steve -- Debian GNU/Linux System Administration http://www.debian-administration.org/ -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Henrik Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge EOL date
On Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 10:15:14 +0100, Henrik Johansen wrote: > Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one > year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge). > > Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period > of Security Support ? It will be the same; security support ending in April 2008. Steve -- Debian GNU/Linux System Administration http://www.debian-administration.org/ pgpt6OjlH7CxA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Sarge EOL date
Hi list, Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (Woody) was terminated one year after the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge). Is Sarge following the same EOL cycle or can one expect a longer period of Security Support ? -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Henrik Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package dependencies issues
On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 10:41:11PM +, Dimitrios Daskalakis wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to upgrade my distribution from sarge to > etch. > > Having upgraded successfully the 2.4 kernel to 2.6, I > update my sources.list (change sarge to stable, so I > get etch) and I run aptitude upgrade. Then ... > > aptitude dist-upgrade > > which unfortunately gives me these errors: You need aptitude update so that aptitude knows the new versions of everything. Also, I use aptitude interactively, and tell it (in the menus) not to treat recommends as strong dependancies. Also, I hope you have a solid and tested backup. It _should_ go smoothly, but I had libc die (killed the whole system) on one of my boxes during the transistion. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package dependencies issues
Hi, I am trying to upgrade my distribution from sarge to etch. Having upgraded successfully the 2.4 kernel to 2.6, I update my sources.list (change sarge to stable, so I get etch) and I run aptitude upgrade. Then ... aptitude dist-upgrade which unfortunately gives me these errors: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done Some packages had unmet dependencies. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. (---I am not using an unstable distribution---) The following packages have unmet dependencies: xlibmesa-gl: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. xlibmesa-glu: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. libglu1-mesa: Conflicts: libglu1 which is a virtual package. libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed. libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. I give you the results of dkpg -l for the above packages: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l xfree86-common | grep ii ii xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l libgl1 | grep libgl1 un libgl1 (no description available) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l libglu1 | grep libglu1 un libglu1 (no description available) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l libfam0 | grep libfam0 un libfam0 (no description available) I have spend a few hours on this and I would appreciate any help to resolve it and go ahead with my dist-upgrade. Thank you D. ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
Chris writes: > so a device does not need to be mounted for a sync to work? Sync only affects file systems on mounted devices. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 PM, Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 03:23:57PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > My theory about flushing even makes a testable prediction: if you run > > umount(8) first and have no other removable media, then sync(1) should > > complete almost immediately. I don't think I've ever done this, unlike > > the two points above, but you're welcome to try it yourself and let us > > know if it works. :-) > > Um, so a device does not need to be mounted for a sync to work? Chris, I think this is some kind of joke :) If there are no big buffers to flush then 'sync' should run very fast. N.- -- http://arhuaco.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 03:23:57PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > My theory about flushing even makes a testable prediction: if you run > umount(8) first and have no other removable media, then sync(1) should > complete almost immediately. I don't think I've ever done this, unlike > the two points above, but you're welcome to try it yourself and let us > know if it works. :-) Um, so a device does not need to be mounted for a sync to work? -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 08:12:11PM +0100, Jens Franik wrote: >Guten Tag Mattias Wadenstein, > >am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 um 10:29 schriebst Du: > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/ > >> They are now authorized on the tracker > >I put on my seeding this images: > >debian-31r7-i386-binary-1.iso >debian-31r7-i386-binary-2.iso >debian-31r7-i386-businesscard.iso >debian-31r7-i386-netinst.iso >debian-update-3.1r7-i386-DVD-1.iso > >But the only item, which has been downloaded until now is >the Update-i386-DVD with 1,26 Mb - nothing more. > >I guess nobody really needs them :-) Yup. Oldstable point releases are like that. There tends to be rather more interest in new major stable releases, as you might imagine. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there anybody out there? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
Guten Tag Mattias Wadenstein, am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 um 10:29 schriebst Du: >>> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/ > They are now authorized on the tracker I put on my seeding this images: debian-31r7-i386-binary-1.iso debian-31r7-i386-binary-2.iso debian-31r7-i386-businesscard.iso debian-31r7-i386-netinst.iso debian-update-3.1r7-i386-DVD-1.iso But the only item, which has been downloaded until now is the Update-i386-DVD with 1,26 Mb - nothing more. I guess nobody really needs them :-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
Guten Tag Mattias Wadenstein, am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 um 10:29 schriebst Du: > They are now authorized on the tracker, but I don't have the space to seed > them. I put the Update-DVD on and after i have downloaded the other 2 DVD i will seed them for a while. Anyone who will do the same? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
Guten Tag Mattias Wadenstein, am Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 um 10:29 schriebst Du: >> Error(The requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker). > They are now authorized on the tracker, but I don't have the space to seed > them. I only have space for the current release and the current weekly > build. confirmed, no more error. But what should we do, to push the files. I am not the Geek for Bittorent Seeding. I can seed the Images for a week, but not forever with ADSL 600 up/6000 down. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008, Adrian Levi wrote: On 19/01/2008, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After a couple of false starts, we finally have the CDs and DVDs built for the latest sarge (oldstable) point release, 3.1 r7. See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/ On Azureus bittorrent I get the error: Error(The requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker). They are now authorized on the tracker, but I don't have the space to seed them. I only have space for the current release and the current weekly build. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
on Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:16:28PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> > Why issue a 'sync' instead of just unmounting and waiting until the >> > thing stops flashing? On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:24:22AM -0900, Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: >> sync blocks, so you can tell from the command line when the job is done. Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So does umount. (I see you said that below, but I wanted to underline > it again; it looks like Rudolfo overlooked it) After "umount" > completes, it's safe to remove the stick. Rodolfo: >> I didn't overlook this, but: >> >> 1) in my experience, some time ago I used to extract the pendrive after >>`umount' completes and the device often got corrupted. When I asked this >>list for help to recover it, someone suggested to apply the `sync' option >>to the mount option: since then I put that option in my fstab, until this >>thread advised not to do so; Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been using Linux for 10 years, and I've always, always, always > heard that "umount" had a side effect of flushing dirty buffers to disk > and syncing the filesystem. > > > But I did a little research before I replied, and I came up with some > surprising information. [...] Rodolfo: >> 2) I measured the time, and it seems to me that the `sync' command takes a >>little longer than `umount' to stop. Daniel: > I don't know for sure, but this could be because "sync" flushes the > write buffers on all devices, not just the one you're pulling out. Thanks for taking care of the important matter. Then I presume that if I use both issues, i.e. first do `sync' and then `umount', I should feel quite safe: is that right? I did so some times now (with no `sync' option left in my fstab) and nothing bad has happened up to now. Bye Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
Guten Tag Adrian Levi, am Samstag, 19. Januar 2008 um 23:35 schriebst Du: >> After a couple of false starts, we finally have the CDs and DVDs built >> for the latest sarge (oldstable) point release, 3.1 r7. >> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/ > On Azureus bittorrent I get the error: > Error(The requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker). Confirmed - same Error here. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 09:59:50PM +, Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > on Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:16:28PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So does umount. (I see you said that below, but I wanted to underline > > it again; it looks like Rudolfo overlooked it) After "umount" > > completes, it's safe to remove the stick. I apologize for misspelling your name -- I checked twice and still did it! > I didn't overlook this, but: > > 1) in my experience, some time ago I used to extract the pendrive after >`umount' completes and the device often got corrupted. When I asked this >list for help to recover it, someone suggested to apply the `sync' option >to the mount option: since then I put that option in my fstab, until this >thread advised not to do so; I've been using Linux for 10 years, and I've always, always, always heard that "umount" had a side effect of flushing dirty buffers to disk and syncing the filesystem. But I did a little research before I replied, and I came up with some surprising information. First, neither the manpage of umount(8) nor the manpage of mount/umount/umount2(2) mention flushing buffers; neither does the libc documentation on these functions. Linux system-level documentation is usually fairly thorough, so I'd expect an important detail like this to be mentioned if it were true. On the other hand, this is such a fundamental thing, that I could believe the manpage author forgot to mention it, the same way that the unlink(2) manpage doesn't mention that future calls to open(2) on the unlinked name will fail. So I hit Google. As I said, I'd picked up a long time ago the notion that umount(8) was how to make it safe to yank removable media, and this belief is widely spread in the community. (e.g., Google for "umount removable corruption" and you'll find this advice being purveyed in many locations) So I figured that a little Googling would quickly turn up people squawking about their expectations being violated if it were true that umount(8) was not flushing. I didn't find much; most of the , but I did find a very strong claim by some guy named "Christian Neumair" that umount(8) does *not* flush write buffers, but that eject(1) does and should be used on USB media: http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2006/02/11/ioctl-fsync-how-to-flush-block-device-buffers/#comment-94 An Ubuntu user named "Toby Smithe" claims here that "umount" should be avoided in favor of "eject", also with no citation to supporting evidence: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1737197&postcount=5 However, virtually all the hits claim (also without any support) that umount *does* flush buffers. There are some intriguing references to a BLKFLSBUF ioctl that's supposed to be related to this (perhaps is flushes dirty buffers for a block device?), but no documentation on what it actually does that I can find. The .h says "flush buffer cache", but there are a couple different things I could imagine that meaning. I also found a comment on an Ubuntu bug by "John Dong" that appears to say that sync(1) should be run after unmounting. However, I didn't read all the context -- it looks to me like perhaps he's talking about a situation where the GUI does an asynchronous umount in the background, so users don't know whether the umount is actually complete. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/27 I also found a Sun manpage saying that Solaris needs you to run eject(1) on USB devices. Obviously this doesn't apply here until Debian/Solaris gets off the ground. Since it doesn't exist right now according to http://www.debian.org/ports, that will take a while. :-) So, the situation as I see it is that there's no authoritative information one way or another -- everyone's just repeating hearsay of one sort or another, as often happens on the Internet. Christian Neumair might have actual information, but he didn't say where he got his information from, so I don't know whether to believe him or not. I've also skimmed over the source for eject(1), the program being touted as somehow safer than umount() -- I haven't had time to read it thoroughly, nor do I intend to do so (although it's fairly short at 1449 lines of code), but I did do some quick searches in the source code. It makes no references to "flush" or "sync" anywhere in comments or source code: "grep -ir flush" and "grep -ir sync" come up empty. If it is doing something magical, though, I'd expect it to be via an ioctl. The only ioctls I see in there are: (1) a bunch of ioctls that are obviously CD-ROM manipulation (e.g., CDROMEJECT) and don't apply here. (2) some ioctls for sg devices (SG_*). These could be relevant. It appears that eject(1) sends the commands ALLOW_MEDIUM_REMOVAL, START_STOP, and START_STOP again. I don't know SCSI well, and there's no documentation
Re: Sarge r7 CDs released
On 19/01/2008, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a couple of false starts, we finally have the CDs and DVDs built > for the latest sarge (oldstable) point release, 3.1 r7. See > > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/ On Azureus bittorrent I get the error: Error(The requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker). Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
on Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:16:28PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> > Why issue a 'sync' instead of just unmounting and waiting until the >> > thing stops flashing? On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:24:22AM -0900, Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: >> sync blocks, so you can tell from the command line when the job is done. Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So does umount. (I see you said that below, but I wanted to underline > it again; it looks like Rudolfo overlooked it) After "umount" > completes, it's safe to remove the stick. I didn't overlook this, but: 1) in my experience, some time ago I used to extract the pendrive after `umount' completes and the device often got corrupted. When I asked this list for help to recover it, someone suggested to apply the `sync' option to the mount option: since then I put that option in my fstab, until this thread advised not to do so; 2) I measured the time, and it seems to me that the `sync' command takes a little longer than `umount' to stop. For these two reasons I presume that it is not safe to extract the device just after `umounting' and without the sync option in fstab. What do you think? Thanks, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:24:22AM -0900, Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > n Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:16:28PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > > Why issue a 'sync' instead of just unmounting and waiting until the > > thing stops flashing? > > sync blocks, so you can tell from the command line when the job is done. So does umount. (I see you said that below, but I wanted to underline it again; it looks like Rudolfo overlooked it) After "umount" completes, it's safe to remove the stick. > I guess this thread took a turn to USB drives, which would presumably > be local, but the rsync operation might be on a remote system where the > lights aren't visible. If you're rsyncing to a remote system, it doesn't matter whether you sync or not unless you've directly mounted it on your computer using something like NFS. "sync" flushes the local computer's write buffers, but if you've rsynced over ssh, all the actual writes took place on the remote machine. You'd have to ssh over there and run sync to ensure that your data was written to disk. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge r7 CDs released
After a couple of false starts, we finally have the CDs and DVDs built for the latest sarge (oldstable) point release, 3.1 r7. See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/ for all your downloading needs: ISO images, jigdo files, bittorent, etc. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out whether they're being malicious or incompetent. Capital letters are forecast." Matthew Garrett, http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/30675.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> I do my daily backup with the following command: >>> >>> $ rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda >>> >>> (where `sda' is the pendrive), and I've calculated that in my new Debian >>> Etch system the process is about 10 times slower than it was in Sarge! >>> It is the same with both my desktop PC and my laptop. In /etc/fstab I >>> have the following entry: >>> >>> /dev/sda/mnt/sda vfatsync,rw,user,noauto 0 0 >>> >>> . The backup that would take only a few minutes now takes almost one >>> hour! Can anybody please explain this strange phenomena? Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> IIRC it's an issue with vfat file systems and the "sync" mount option in >> 2.6 kernels. I noticed the same phenomenon when I switched from 2.4 to >> 2.6; >> the solution is not to use the "sync" option, that also increases >> your drive's lifetime. Rodolfo: > I put the `sync' option just to avoid drive corruption. If it is > necessary to toggle it off, how can I be sure the process is terminated > before I unmount the drive? "Nelson Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This was discussed sometime ago in this list (someone wanted to > be able to remove the USB drive anytime). Using sync is not a good > idea with the USB pendrive. > > Check this thread: > > http://marc.info/?t=11792503843&r=1&w=2 Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> You may want to add "sync" as the last command in >> your backup script do avoid data loss. "Nelson Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You use the same rsync command. You execute sync _after_ > the rsync command. "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why issue a 'sync' instead of just unmounting and waiting until the > thing stops flashing? Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > sync blocks, so you can tell from the command line when the job is done. > I guess this thread took a turn to USB drives, which would presumably > be local, but the rsync operation might be on a remote system where the > lights aren't visible. For that matter, umount also blocks... I often > use sync before umount, but I suppose it's not really necessary. Thanks to all for your help. I put off the `sync' option from my /etc/fstab. Douglas, my pendrive never stops flashing as long as it is inserted in the usb location: he must be in love with the PC. So I'm going to run the `sync' command after the backup and wait until the prompt returns back. Then I will unmount the drive. Will it this way be really _safe_? I.e., am I sure that the copy is finished when the `sync' command turns the prompt back? Thanks, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
n Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:16:28PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Why issue a 'sync' instead of just unmounting and waiting until the > thing stops flashing? sync blocks, so you can tell from the command line when the job is done. I guess this thread took a turn to USB drives, which would presumably be local, but the rsync operation might be on a remote system where the lights aren't visible. For that matter, umount also blocks... I often use sync before umount, but I suppose it's not really necessary. Ken -- Ken Irving, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 11:53:10AM -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote: > > > You may want to add "sync" as the last command in > > > your backup script do avoid data loss. > > I looked into `sync' manual but couldn't find out how to use this > > command. What should I say instead of > > `rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda'? > > You use the same rsync command. You execute sync _after_ > the rsync command. > Why issue a 'sync' instead of just unmounting and waiting until the thing stops flashing? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
> > the solution is not to use the "sync" option, that also increases > > your drive's lifetime. > > I put the `sync' option just to avoid drive corruption. If it is > necessary to toggle it off, how can I be sure the process is terminated > before I unmount the drive? This was discussed sometime ago in this list (someone wanted to be able to remove the USB drive anytime). Using sync is not a good idea with the USB pendrive. Check this thread: http://marc.info/?t=11792503843&r=1&w=2 ( I was wondering why I was aware of this old thread and I just noticed that I was the one who suggested using sync! ). > > You may want to add "sync" as the last command in > > your backup script do avoid data loss. > I looked into `sync' manual but couldn't find out how to use this > command. What should I say instead of > `rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda'? You use the same rsync command. You execute sync _after_ the rsync command. Cheers, N.- -- http://arhuaco.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On 2008-01-18 15:32 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> I do my daily backup with the following command: >> >> $ rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda >> >> (where `sda' is the pendrive), and I've calculated that in my new Debian >> Etch system the process is about 10 times slower than it was in Sarge! >> It is the same with both my desktop PC and my laptop. In /etc/fstab I >> have the following entry: >> >> /dev/sda/mnt/sdavfatsync,rw,user,noauto 0 0 >> >> . The backup that would take only a few minutes now takes almost one >> hour! Can anybody please explain this strange phenomena? Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > IIRC it's an issue with vfat file systems and the "sync" mount option in > 2.6 kernels. I noticed the same phenomenon when I switched from 2.4 to > 2.6; I see... > the solution is not to use the "sync" option, that also increases > your drive's lifetime. I put the `sync' option just to avoid drive corruption. If it is necessary to toggle it off, how can I be sure the process is terminated before I unmount the drive? > You may want to add "sync" as the last command in > your backup script do avoid data loss. I looked into `sync' manual but couldn't find out how to use this command. What should I say instead of `rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda'? Thanks for your help Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
On 2008-01-18 15:32 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > I do my daily backup with the following command: > > $ rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda > > (where `sda' is the pendrive), and I've calculated that in my new Debian > Etch system the process is about 10 times slower than it was in Sarge! > It is the same with both my desktop PC and my laptop. In /etc/fstab I > have the following entry: > > /dev/sda/mnt/sda vfatsync,rw,user,noauto 0 0 > > . The backup that would take only a few minutes now takes almost one > hour! Can anybody please explain this strange phenomena? IIRC it's an issue with vfat file systems and the "sync" mount option in 2.6 kernels. I noticed the same phenomenon when I switched from 2.4 to 2.6; the solution is not to use the "sync" option, that also increases your drive's lifetime. You may want to add "sync" as the last command in your backup script do avoid data loss. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rsync 10 times slower in Etch than in Sarge!
I do my daily backup with the following command: $ rsync -vr --delete Mail News /mnt/sda (where `sda' is the pendrive), and I've calculated that in my new Debian Etch system the process is about 10 times slower than it was in Sarge! It is the same with both my desktop PC and my laptop. In /etc/fstab I have the following entry: /dev/sda/mnt/sda vfatsync,rw,user,noauto 0 0 . The backup that would take only a few minutes now takes almost one hour! Can anybody please explain this strange phenomena? Thanks Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnucash in Sarge crashes when opening file; started after recent security updates
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:34:24AM +0100, Tomasz Szpakowicz wrote: > Thanks for your answer. > > But no scheduled transactions. > > I know I won't get much help with such an old version. That's why I > asked on debian-users if someone has similar problems. Security updates > where the only changes to this system. I thought if that was the reason > someone might have noticed other symptoms. > > In the meantime I did some experiments. I found --nofile options, > created a new file and tried to crash gnucash. Accounts work OK but > reports (especially custom) crash. I removed all custom reports (rm -r > ~/.gnucash, I forgot dpkg doesn't purge this one) and my file loaded. It > complained about report not found or something but works. I only need to > be careful not to leave open reports. Can you provide console output when it complains this way? Also, can you provide a list of what packages were upgrades by security updates? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gnucash in Sarge crashes when opening file; started after recent security updates
Thanks for your answer. But no scheduled transactions. I know I won't get much help with such an old version. That's why I asked on debian-users if someone has similar problems. Security updates where the only changes to this system. I thought if that was the reason someone might have noticed other symptoms. In the meantime I did some experiments. I found --nofile options, created a new file and tried to crash gnucash. Accounts work OK but reports (especially custom) crash. I removed all custom reports (rm -r ~/.gnucash, I forgot dpkg doesn't purge this one) and my file loaded. It complained about report not found or something but works. I only need to be careful not to leave open reports. For now moving I can't move to newer version. I couldn't get neither 2.2 nor 2.0 to build under Sarge. And I won't upgrade until I have some other (more important) stuff finished. Thanks again, Tomasz Szpakowicz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnucash in Sarge crashes when opening file; started after recent security updates
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:59:29PM +0100, Tomasz Szpakowicz wrote: > Hello. > > I need help with gnucash 1.8.10 in Sarge. I have a gnucash file (written > with the same gnucash on the same system) containing one year of data. > And I can't open it. Gnucash says 'Segmentation fault'. you really need to update. gnucash 1.8.x was buggy and crash prone. Significant strides have been made in the 2.2.x series (now in lenny). > > It worked on January 2nd when I last updated it. It doesn't open now. I > tried older versions of the file and they won't open too. The only thing > that chanched were debian security updates. Do you use scheduled transactions? Try the following from an xterm gnucash --nofile then edit->preferences->scheduled transactions and uncheck the box to run scheduled transactions at startup. Then try loading your file. Also, you could subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more help, though you won't get much help with such an old version. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
gnucash in Sarge crashes when opening file; started after recent security updates
Hello. I need help with gnucash 1.8.10 in Sarge. I have a gnucash file (written with the same gnucash on the same system) containing one year of data. And I can't open it. Gnucash says 'Segmentation fault'. It worked on January 2nd when I last updated it. It doesn't open now. I tried older versions of the file and they won't open too. The only thing that chanched were debian security updates. I tried to purge gnucash and guile and install them again. It didn't help. I don't know what to try next. Anyone experiencing similar problems? Tomasz Szpakowicz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch
On Wednesday 02 January 2008 20:28, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Then again, my upgrade ended up killing libc6 in the middle which gave > the system a heart attack. I reinstalled. And since I know from experience that "these things happen", that's why I double-checked. Also, sometimes the pros have better advise to offer than the official documentation :-D JW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 07:43:51PM -0600, Jonathan Wilson wrote: > Please excuse the dumb question, but: > > Is this still the recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch?: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html > > That page makes it out like using aptitude is somehow better than > apt-get. I've never used aptitude, only apt-get, I'm quite > comfortable with all the apt-* tools. It apt-get dist-upgrade just as > good? Since the release hasn't changed, then yest the release notes are still valid. Then again, my upgrade ended up killing libc6 in the middle which gave the system a heart attack. I reinstalled. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch
Jonathan Wilson wrote: Please excuse the dumb question, but: Is this still the recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch?: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html That page makes it out like using aptitude is somehow better than apt-get. I've never used aptitude, only apt-get, I'm quite comfortable with all the apt-* tools. It apt-get dist-upgrade just as good? Thanks, JW The aptitude interface -especially with the integrated 'help', is far from hard to get on top of, but how I used to do it is: 'aptget update' 'aptget upgrade' Then change your sources list in /etc/apt/sources.list through an editor, then: 'aptget update' 'aptget -u dist-upgrade' That should do it. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch
On Jan 2, 2008 5:43 PM, Jonathan Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this still the recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch?: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html > > That page makes it out like using aptitude is somehow better than apt-get. > I've never used aptitude, only apt-get, I'm quite comfortable with all the > apt-* tools. It apt-get dist-upgrade just as good? Either will work, aptitude accepts all the same commands and configurations as apt-get AFAIK, though aptitude is also the replacement for the old-skool dselect system as well: It's kind of a Apt Army Knife. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch
Please excuse the dumb question, but: Is this still the recommended way to upgrade from Sarge to Etch?: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html That page makes it out like using aptitude is somehow better than apt-get. I've never used aptitude, only apt-get, I'm quite comfortable with all the apt-* tools. It apt-get dist-upgrade just as good? Thanks, JW -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 06:41:25AM -0800, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 09:31:40AM +0100, Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > He's not running lenny, the libc6 there does not work at all with a 2.4 > > kernel. > > And of course /etc/debian_version would say "lenny/sid" on lenny. Doh. The "doh" being, of course, directed at myself. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 09:31:40AM +0100, Sven Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Hi, > > On 2007-12-28 04:19 +0100, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 11:26:00AM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > > heard to say: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r > >> 2.4.27-3-386 > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > > > Ah. Ok, you're running a very very old kernel (one that's not even > > part of etch, let alone lenny) with up-to-date user-space software. I > > bet the problem is related to the hardware detection code, which > > probably doesn't know about whatever old driver your kernel needs. > > > > Could you try installing the latest kernel in lenny and see if it > > helps? I believe that would be linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 -- obviously > > only if you have a 686+ chip (anything made in the last 5 years will be). > > He's not running lenny, the libc6 there does not work at all with a 2.4 > kernel. And of course /etc/debian_version would say "lenny/sid" on lenny. Doh. In that case, I'm not sure *what* he's running, because he clearly has testing in his sources.list. I still think installing a 2.6 series kernel is probably a good idea. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer CDs for etch 4.0r2 and sarge 3.1r7 ?
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 12:29:23 +0100, Gilles Mocellin wrote: > Le Friday 28 December 2007 11:26:48 Florian Kulzer, vous avez écrit : > > On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 05:13:37 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > Where can I find installer CD/DVD iso images for the newly announced etch > > > 4.0r2 > > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ > > > > > Same question for the yet-to-be-announced sarge 3.1r7 ? > > > > Same answer with "etch" replaced by "sarge" in the URL. > > Sorry, but there's still only the 4.0r1/3.1r6a images (2007/12/28 12:28 > GMT+1). Ah yes, I only checked the headline of the 4.0r2 page and not the actual images; sorry for that. It seems that we still have to wait a bit for the 4.0r2 images to be generated. (I don't know anything about the schedule for 3.1r7, but the link should be correct.) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian |
Re: Installer CDs for etch 4.0r2 and sarge 3.1r7 ?
Le Friday 28 December 2007 11:26:48 Florian Kulzer, vous avez écrit : > On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 05:13:37 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > Where can I find installer CD/DVD iso images for the newly announced etch > > 4.0r2 > > http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ > > > Same question for the yet-to-be-announced sarge 3.1r7 ? > > Same answer with "etch" replaced by "sarge" in the URL. Sorry, but there's still only the 4.0r1/3.1r6a images (2007/12/28 12:28 GMT+1). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Installer CDs for etch 4.0r2 and sarge 3.1r7 ?
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 05:13:37 -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > Where can I find installer CD/DVD iso images for the newly announced etch > 4.0r2 http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ > Same question for the yet-to-be-announced sarge 3.1r7 ? Same answer with "etch" replaced by "sarge" in the URL. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where can I find installer CD/DVD iso images for the newly announced etch 4.0r2 Same question for the yet-to-be-announced sarge 3.1r7 ? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
Hi, On 2007-12-28 04:19 +0100, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 11:26:00AM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r >> 2.4.27-3-386 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > Ah. Ok, you're running a very very old kernel (one that's not even > part of etch, let alone lenny) with up-to-date user-space software. I > bet the problem is related to the hardware detection code, which > probably doesn't know about whatever old driver your kernel needs. > > Could you try installing the latest kernel in lenny and see if it > helps? I believe that would be linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 -- obviously > only if you have a 686+ chip (anything made in the last 5 years will be). He's not running lenny, the libc6 there does not work at all with a 2.4 kernel. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 11:26:00AM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Dec 27, 8:50 am, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 09:15:43PM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > > heard to say:> > Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list and the > > contents of > > > > /etc/debian_version ? I'm wondering if you maybe upgraded to etch by > > > > accident (which could have happened if you listed "stable" instead of > > > > "sarge" in sources.list). > > > > > You are right. Here is the info I have. Still wish the wireless > > > keyboard and mouse would work. > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list > > > #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main > > > > > debftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/stable main > > > debftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/testing main > > > > > > > > Actually, it looks like you upgraded all the way to lenny. > > > > Hm, could you check what kernel version you're running? (uname -r) > > Also, what is the hardware (computer and keyboard) that you're trying > > to use? Do you have both a wireless and a wired keyboard plugged in? > > Have you tested the wireless keyboard in text mode, or just in X? > > > > I don't think that will tell me what's going on, but at least I will > > be confused with more information. :-) > > > > Daniel > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Here is the kernel I'm running. That is what I was thinking is that I > would need to rebuild the kernel. Also, the keyboard and mouse do not > work on the text screens either (i.e. ctrl-alt-f6 for example). > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r > 2.4.27-3-386 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Ah. Ok, you're running a very very old kernel (one that's not even part of etch, let alone lenny) with up-to-date user-space software. I bet the problem is related to the hardware detection code, which probably doesn't know about whatever old driver your kernel needs. Could you try installing the latest kernel in lenny and see if it helps? I believe that would be linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 -- obviously only if you have a 686+ chip (anything made in the last 5 years will be). Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Dec 27, 8:50 am, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 09:15:43PM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say:> > Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list and the contents > of > > > /etc/debian_version ? I'm wondering if you maybe upgraded to etch by > > > accident (which could have happened if you listed "stable" instead of > > > "sarge" in sources.list). > > > You are right. Here is the info I have. Still wish the wireless > > keyboard and mouse would work. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list > > #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main > > > debftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/stable main > > debftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/testing main > > > > Actually, it looks like you upgraded all the way to lenny. > > Hm, could you check what kernel version you're running? (uname -r) > Also, what is the hardware (computer and keyboard) that you're trying > to use? Do you have both a wireless and a wired keyboard plugged in? > Have you tested the wireless keyboard in text mode, or just in X? > > I don't think that will tell me what's going on, but at least I will > be confused with more information. :-) > > Daniel > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the kernel I'm running. That is what I was thinking is that I would need to rebuild the kernel. Also, the keyboard and mouse do not work on the text screens either (i.e. ctrl-alt-f6 for example). [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.4.27-3-386 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Thanks, Brent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 09:15:43PM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list and the contents of > > /etc/debian_version ? I'm wondering if you maybe upgraded to etch by > > accident (which could have happened if you listed "stable" instead of > > "sarge" in sources.list). > > You are right. Here is the info I have. Still wish the wireless > keyboard and mouse would work. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list > #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main > > deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main > deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main Actually, it looks like you upgraded all the way to lenny. Hm, could you check what kernel version you're running? (uname -r) Also, what is the hardware (computer and keyboard) that you're trying to use? Do you have both a wireless and a wired keyboard plugged in? Have you tested the wireless keyboard in text mode, or just in X? I don't think that will tell me what's going on, but at least I will be confused with more information. :-) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Dec 26, 11:40 am, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 07:09:25PM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: > > > I am running debian sarge and I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and > > my wireless keyboard and mouse are no longer working. I know that > > bios sees the wireless keyboard and mouse because I can hit delete and > > go to bios setup (If that makes any difference) It has been quite > > some time since I did a system upgrade and I noticed that kdm looked a > > lot different. Thanks for any help in advance. > > Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list and the contents of > /etc/debian_version ? I'm wondering if you maybe upgraded to etch by > accident (which could have happened if you listed "stable" instead of > "sarge" in sources.list). > > Daniel > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are right. Here is the info I have. Still wish the wireless keyboard and mouse would work. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 4.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
On Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 07:09:25PM -0800, schmity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I am running debian sarge and I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and > my wireless keyboard and mouse are no longer working. I know that > bios sees the wireless keyboard and mouse because I can hit delete and > go to bios setup (If that makes any difference) It has been quite > some time since I did a system upgrade and I noticed that kdm looked a > lot different. Thanks for any help in advance. Could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list and the contents of /etc/debian_version ? I'm wondering if you maybe upgraded to etch by accident (which could have happened if you listed "stable" instead of "sarge" in sources.list). Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get -dist-upgrade leaves wireless keyboard and mouse useless on "sarge"
I am running debian sarge and I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and my wireless keyboard and mouse are no longer working. I know that bios sees the wireless keyboard and mouse because I can hit delete and go to bios setup (If that makes any difference) It has been quite some time since I did a system upgrade and I noticed that kdm looked a lot different. Thanks for any help in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge -> Lenny
On Friday 21 December 2007, Sven Joachim wrote: >... > Please try to find out where you got > /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm from. > > Regards, > Sven Can't answer for the OP but I've downloaded various perl modules from CPAN and now my /usr/local/share is no longer arch independent. I mount /usr/local via NFS and I've had to create 32 and 64bit /usr/local/share/perl libs. Its a bug as I understand "share", but I don't know where to file it since its not debian package breakage. I know some perl modules are availabe as packages. Is there a "debian way" to use CPAN for the others? stevem -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge -> Lenny
On 2007-12-22 05:28 +0100, Cam wrote:
> apt-get dist-upgrade normally works a treat, but having used it lately
> to move from Etch to Lenny (after appropriate /etc/apt/sources.list
> changes) I encountered this ugly situation:
>
> Preparing to replace indent 2.2.9-7 (using .../indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb) ...
> Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does
> not match executable architecture
> (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
^
The same problem appeared in the thread "install-info/dpkg b0rked ?"
yesterday, see my reply there. Where does this local Errno.pm come
from?
> I'm presently working around this by commenting lines 11-13 in
> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm:
> 11 #"$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}" eq
> 12 #"i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64" or
> 13 # die "Errno architecture
> (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not match executable
> architectur$
The Errno.pm that is included in Debian's perl-base package does not
include this check.
> ...and clearly this isn't a solution at all. I feel distinctly uneasy
> with a workaround that out-uglies the original problem like this one.
>
> Does anyone have any idea of what is actually going on here?
Please try to find out where you got
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm from.
Regards,
Sven
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Sarge -> Lenny
Hi All,
apt-get dist-upgrade normally works a treat, but having used it lately
to move from Etch to Lenny (after appropriate /etc/apt/sources.list
changes) I encountered this ugly situation:
Preparing to replace indent 2.2.9-7 (using .../indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb) ...
Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not
match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 9
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not
match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb
(--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 9
Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not
match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb
This kept happening for any package that wanted to use install-info to
(presumably) update the Info doc database - and that's a few packages
when doing a full migration!
I'm presently working around this by commenting lines 11-13 in
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm:
1 #
2 # This file is auto-generated. ***ANY*** changes here will be lost
3 #
4
5 package Errno;
6 our (@EXPORT_OK,%EXPORT_TAGS,@ISA,$VERSION,%errno,$AUTOLOAD);
7 use Exporter ();
8 use Config;
9 use strict;
10
11 #"$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}" eq
12 #"i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64" or
13 # die "Errno architecture
(i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not match executable
architectur$
...and clearly this isn't a solution at all. I feel distinctly uneasy
with a workaround that out-uglies the original problem like this one.
Does anyone have any idea of what is actually going on here?
cheers,
cam
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Re: Where to find Sarge install disks?
Well, after a quick google, I found a jigdo file and template here: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/0874.html I also found files for Sarge to be located here, but no iso images: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/sarge/ Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to find Sarge install disks?
Am Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2007 schrieb Rick Thomas: > For reasons that aren't worth explaining, I need to install Debian > Sarge (old-stable) for a little while. > > But I can't seem to find the ISO's for it. Does anybody know where > they are hidden? > > Thanks! > > Rick Please look here http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/ -- with best regards from Dortmund Matthias Popp (KBDCALLS) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Where to find Sarge install disks?
For reasons that aren't worth explaining, I need to install Debian Sarge (old-stable) for a little while. But I can't seem to find the ISO's for it. Does anybody know where they are hidden? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 freezes @sarge
Miro Dietiker wrote: Hi list I trapped into an apache2 freeze thing (debian sarge, apache2 libapache2-mod-php4) After certain time (from few minutes to many hours) apache simply freezes. Freeze meaning here: Processes still present but no processing time on them. Each request is not responded but queued (showing status bar till timeout). When i restart apache2 anything is fine again - at least for some minutes. Trying to trace it down to some buggy script execution i checked logs and found nothing similar between those events. This is a live installation and we're suffering... System load at ~1.0 .. 2.0 The issue started at one specific day, where we didn't change anything by intention. Replacing the whole hardware also didn't help. Is there someone to show me ways to debug this issue or any idea?! (Personal contacts also apreciated.) I'm happy to hear any input about this one. Did you look on the BTS[1] ? Maybe, it's a bug, even if I'm not convinced. [1] : http://bugs.debian.org Cheers, -- Shams Fantar (Website : http://snurf.info) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 freezes @sarge
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:11:39 +0100 Miro Dietiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list > > I trapped into an apache2 freeze thing (debian sarge, apache2 > libapache2-mod-php4) > > After certain time (from few minutes to many hours) apache simply > freezes. Freeze meaning here: Processes still present but no > processing time on them. Each request is not responded but queued > (showing status bar till timeout). > > When i restart apache2 anything is fine again - at least for some > minutes. > > Trying to trace it down to some buggy script execution i checked > logs and found nothing similar between those events. > This is a live installation and we're suffering... System load at > ~1.0 .. 2.0 > The issue started at one specific day, where we didn't change > anything by intention. Replacing the whole hardware also didn't > help. > > Is there someone to show me ways to debug this issue or any idea?! > > (Personal contacts also apreciated.) > I'm happy to hear any input about this one. > > -- > Miro Dietiker > I had the same problem on a machine with a new Etch install of Apache 2 and PHP5. For a week I struggled with the problem and it finally came down to the php5-clamav module while already running clamav on the machine. Since you're running PHP4 though, I don't know. For my problem, there was nothing I could find in any of the logs, and Apache would freeze at varying minutes/hours after it had been restarted. I removed Apache modules but the problem persisted. I ran memtest86+ on my memory modules, but the problem persisted. And Google was not my friend. Finally, since I'd tested everything in the machine and I'd removed all unnecessary Apache modules, to no avail, I started on PHP modules that weren't critical. That's how I found my problem. I'm sorry not to be much help, but I wish you luck. ;-) -- Raquel Our values are defined by what we will tolerate when it is done to others. --William Greider -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache2 freezes @sarge
Hi list I trapped into an apache2 freeze thing (debian sarge, apache2 libapache2-mod-php4) After certain time (from few minutes to many hours) apache simply freezes. Freeze meaning here: Processes still present but no processing time on them. Each request is not responded but queued (showing status bar till timeout). When i restart apache2 anything is fine again - at least for some minutes. Trying to trace it down to some buggy script execution i checked logs and found nothing similar between those events. This is a live installation and we're suffering... System load at ~1.0 .. 2.0 The issue started at one specific day, where we didn't change anything by intention. Replacing the whole hardware also didn't help. Is there someone to show me ways to debug this issue or any idea?! (Personal contacts also apreciated.) I'm happy to hear any input about this one. -- Miro Dietiker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: updating to last sarge
On 11/7/07, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > roberto: > > > > in order to perform a distro upgrade to debian etch i have to do the > > update to the last released sarge (as stated in debian official guide > > to this kind of upgrade) > > > > so i have to change the occurrences of "stable" in my /etc/apt/sources.list > > to "sarge" > > If you are currently using "stable" entries and have already made > upgrades or installed any package after etch has been released, you are > most probably running a mix of etch and sarge already. > no, i am maintaning an old machine where no upgrade/update have been made since the release of "etch" so the system is a pure sarge one that's why i was asking those questions i'll perform an update to the latest version of sarge and then an upgrade to "etch" thank you -- roberto OS: GNU/Linux, Debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: updating to last sarge
roberto: > > in order to perform a distro upgrade to debian etch i have to do the > update to the last released sarge (as stated in debian official guide > to this kind of upgrade) > > so i have to change the occurrences of "stable" in my /etc/apt/sources.list > to "sarge" If you are currently using "stable" entries and have already made upgrades or installed any package after etch has been released, you are most probably running a mix of etch and sarge already. On official mirrors, "stable" always refers to the current stable version which is etch now. By using "stable" in your sources.list, you automatically receive packages from a new stable version as soon as it is released. Running 'aptitude upgrade' in your situation should show a lot of packages being "kept back". If this is the case, you should try to do 'aptitude dist-upgrade' in order to bring your system to a consistent state. You may have to run this more than once to resolve all dependencies. Since you appear to have already read the release notes, I don't think there's anything else you need to do. J. -- I think the environment will be okay. [Agree] [Disagree] <http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html> signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: updating to last sarge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 roberto wrote: > hello > in order to perform a distro upgrade to debian etch i have to do the > update to the last released sarge (as stated in debian official guide > to this kind of upgrade) Correct. > so i have to change the occurrences of "stable" in my /etc/apt/sources.list > to "sarge" Yes. > # My sources.list file. > > # Official Debian mirror > deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/stable main non-free contrib > deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/stable main contrib non-free This second deb-src line seems to be redundand, but this isn't essential. > # Security updates > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > # end > > then > - perform an update True. - - Then modify your sources.list back to 'stable' or 'etch'. > - then starting the upgrade procedure Right. Šarūnas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMcI4ejaFVltl6E8RAlp+AJ9cy6BZmA0teBGQzWJkbaLCkwk8TgCgg3v9 S0rqaGnwJSo6kEsfOyPyo+U= =QJ3e -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
updating to last sarge
hello in order to perform a distro upgrade to debian etch i have to do the update to the last released sarge (as stated in debian official guide to this kind of upgrade) so i have to change the occurrences of "stable" in my /etc/apt/sources.list to "sarge" # My sources.list file. # Official Debian mirror deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/stable main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/stable main contrib non-free # Security updates deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free # end then - perform an update - then starting the upgrade procedure am i missing something ? thank you for any help -- roberto OS: GNU/Linux, Debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postgresql 7.4 won't start after sarge -> etch upgrade
On 09:49 Sun 14 Oct , Pál Csányi wrote: > > > How should I rectify the problem? > > I would reinstall postgresq-7.4 : > aptitude reinstall postgresql-7.4 Thank you Pál, I had already tried that: apt-get install --reinstall postgresql-7.4 and it did not help :( Any other ideas? what is really annoying is that I don't really see how to troubleshoot the problem, as there is no output from the initscripts that come with the debian package, and no errors in the log sections to to help me troubleshoot where the init script is going wrong. also the debian supplied initscipts source a secondary initscript file and they appear to be identical (visually :)) on this server to similar other servers that I had updated. very puzzling Mitchell > > -- > Regards, Paul Csanyi > http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postgresql 7.4 won't start after sarge -> etch upgrade
2007/10/14, Mitchell Laks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I just upgraded an old Sarge server to Etch. > > After the upgrade, I notice that the postgresq-7.4 server is not working. > How should I rectify the problem? I would reinstall postgresq-7.4 : aptitude reinstall postgresql-7.4 -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
