Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
GPswyft writes: Well, here goes. I have installed debian a number of times, never successfully. [...] I install linux from the floppies. [...] I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. [...] GP, Consider using an external CD-ROM connected to the parallel port. If you don't mind bidding thru eBay, here are recent final bids ($60-$90): http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=1query=bantam+backpack Nice thing about eBay is you can read feedback about sellers. Some sellers have hundreds of positive ratings and zero negatives. I've always had very positive dealings with sellers, except once when I bought directly (never buy something that isn't listed on eBay; if you feel you didn't get what was advertised a negative feedback can be left for the seller; it's powerful, and one gets the feeling that some sellers would rather be whipped with a wet noodle than get a neg. feedback). Here's some detail on how to use a Bantam Backpack CD-ROM to install Debian `potato': http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/Debian/t4700ct.html Yours, -- Rob Cymbala2nd email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG/PGP: www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/pubkey.html http://www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/airguard.html
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
hi ya GP... what kind of problems did you encounter ??? - use the debian boot floppy to boot debian.. ( trick is to get it online ... get a (default) supported ethernet card... - than get it online and apt-get update, upgrade... - ebay bids of $80 - $90 for cdroms is ridiculous... - brand new name-brand cdrom drives go for $50-$55 range. ( asus 52x, toshiba 50x, sony 52x ... c ya alvin On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Robert Cymbala wrote: GPswyft writes: Well, here goes. I have installed debian a number of times, never successfully. [...] I install linux from the floppies. [...] I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. [...] GP, Consider using an external CD-ROM connected to the parallel port. If you don't mind bidding thru eBay, here are recent final bids ($60-$90): http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=1query=bantam+backpack Nice thing about eBay is you can read feedback about sellers. Some sellers have hundreds of positive ratings and zero negatives. I've always had very positive dealings with sellers, except once when I bought directly (never buy something that isn't listed on eBay; if you feel you didn't get what was advertised a negative feedback can be left for the seller; it's powerful, and one gets the feeling that some sellers would rather be whipped with a wet noodle than get a neg. feedback). Here's some detail on how to use a Bantam Backpack CD-ROM to install Debian `potato': http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/Debian/t4700ct.html Yours, -- Rob Cymbala2nd email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG/PGP: www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/pubkey.html http://www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/airguard.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya GP... what kind of problems did you encounter ??? - use the debian boot floppy to boot debian.. ( trick is to get it online ... get a (default) supported ethernet card... - than get it online and apt-get update, upgrade... - ebay bids of $80 - $90 for cdroms is ridiculous... - brand new name-brand cdrom drives go for $50-$55 range. ( asus 52x, toshiba 50x, sony 52x ... Hi, I agree with you that he is probably much better off to do a floppy boot then net install or just buy a mastered CD-set at linuxmall.com, cheapbytes, etc. for ~$2-4. However, I think the quote below for eBay pricing refers to external parallel-port connected CD-ROMS for laptops, which are much less common than desktop atapi drives, and therefore, I would imagine, sell used for a lot more (they also are much more expensive new, in the $200-300 range). It's a completely different questions as to whether they are worth it... Take care, Daniel c ya alvin On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Robert Cymbala wrote: GPswyft writes: Well, here goes. I have installed debian a number of times, never successfully. [...] I install linux from the floppies. [...] I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. [...] GP, Consider using an external CD-ROM connected to the parallel port. If you don't mind bidding thru eBay, here are recent final bids ($60-$90): http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=1query=bantam+backpack Nice thing about eBay is you can read feedback about sellers. Some sellers have hundreds of positive ratings and zero negatives. I've always had very positive dealings with sellers, except once when I bought directly (never buy something that isn't listed on eBay; if you feel you didn't get what was advertised a negative feedback can be left for the seller; it's powerful, and one gets the feeling that some sellers would rather be whipped with a wet noodle than get a neg. feedback). Here's some detail on how to use a Bantam Backpack CD-ROM to install Debian `potato': http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/Debian/t4700ct.html Yours, -- Rob Cymbala2nd email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG/PGP: www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/pubkey.html http://www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/airguard.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Daniel A. Freedman Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics Department of Physics Cornell University
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
hi again... oopps re-reading... if you wanna burn cdroms... yeah...prices of them is slightly higher...( $60-$75 range for silly ide stuff )... but if you need debian cdroms, why not get um $3.oo range from places like cheapbytes.com or other places that sell linux iso images c ya alvin On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya GP... what kind of problems did you encounter ??? - use the debian boot floppy to boot debian.. ( trick is to get it online ... get a (default) supported ethernet card... - than get it online and apt-get update, upgrade... - ebay bids of $80 - $90 for cdroms is ridiculous... - brand new name-brand cdrom drives go for $50-$55 range. ( asus 52x, toshiba 50x, sony 52x ... c ya alvin On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Robert Cymbala wrote: GPswyft writes: Well, here goes. I have installed debian a number of times, never successfully. [...] I install linux from the floppies. [...] I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. [...] GP, Consider using an external CD-ROM connected to the parallel port. If you don't mind bidding thru eBay, here are recent final bids ($60-$90): http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=1query=bantam+backpack Nice thing about eBay is you can read feedback about sellers. Some sellers have hundreds of positive ratings and zero negatives. I've always had very positive dealings with sellers, except once when I bought directly (never buy something that isn't listed on eBay; if you feel you didn't get what was advertised a negative feedback can be left for the seller; it's powerful, and one gets the feeling that some sellers would rather be whipped with a wet noodle than get a neg. feedback). Here's some detail on how to use a Bantam Backpack CD-ROM to install Debian `potato': http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/Debian/t4700ct.html Yours, -- Rob Cymbala2nd email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG/PGP: www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/pubkey.html http://www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/airguard.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out... - ide vs pcmcia
hi daniel... another silly idea... if the idea is to get cdrom capability to the laptop... there is pcmcia-to-IDE converters... ( $10 range ) ( used by flash disks to look like regular IDE disks ( used on pc104 stuff...but it was pcmcia card interface we used - you'd also need a pcmcia extender if you do not want to open your laptop to fit the pcmcia-to-ide adapter connected to the reg cdrom drive - best solution is get the laptop online...a kernel that supports that nic ... c ya alvin On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Daniel Freedman wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya GP... what kind of problems did you encounter ??? - use the debian boot floppy to boot debian.. ( trick is to get it online ... get a (default) supported ethernet card... - than get it online and apt-get update, upgrade... - ebay bids of $80 - $90 for cdroms is ridiculous... - brand new name-brand cdrom drives go for $50-$55 range. ( asus 52x, toshiba 50x, sony 52x ... Hi, I agree with you that he is probably much better off to do a floppy boot then net install or just buy a mastered CD-set at linuxmall.com, cheapbytes, etc. for ~$2-4. However, I think the quote below for eBay pricing refers to external parallel-port connected CD-ROMS for laptops, which are much less common than desktop atapi drives, and therefore, I would imagine, sell used for a lot more (they also are much more expensive new, in the $200-300 range). It's a completely different questions as to whether they are worth it... Take care, Daniel c ya alvin On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Robert Cymbala wrote: GPswyft writes: Well, here goes. I have installed debian a number of times, never successfully. [...] I install linux from the floppies. [...] I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. [...] GP, Consider using an external CD-ROM connected to the parallel port. If you don't mind bidding thru eBay, here are recent final bids ($60-$90): http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=1query=bantam+backpack Nice thing about eBay is you can read feedback about sellers. Some sellers have hundreds of positive ratings and zero negatives. I've always had very positive dealings with sellers, except once when I bought directly (never buy something that isn't listed on eBay; if you feel you didn't get what was advertised a negative feedback can be left for the seller; it's powerful, and one gets the feeling that some sellers would rather be whipped with a wet noodle than get a neg. feedback). Here's some detail on how to use a Bantam Backpack CD-ROM to install Debian `potato': http://www.lafn.org/~cymbala/Debian/t4700ct.html Yours, -- Rob Cymbala2nd email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG/PGP: www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/pubkey.html http://www.Lafn.org/~cymbala/airguard.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Daniel A. Freedman Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics Department of Physics Cornell University -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:11:14PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:28PM -0700, GPswyft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: First, there's documentation which covers this, the Modem-HOWTO, which you can find at http://www.linuxdocs.org/. ^ and this should read http://www.linuxdoc.org/ (without the s).. just in case you've been wondering.. frank.
Modem prices (was Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...)
on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:31:09PM -0400, D-Man ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:11:14PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:28PM -0700, GPswyft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | | I install linux from the floppies. | | Which version? I'm going to assume Debian GNU/Linux 2.1, Potato. I assume that's a typo and you meant 2.2, not 2.1. Wups. Yep. I usually refer by name, not number, anyway. ... | For starters, you have to find out whether or not you've got a WinModem. | If so, your best bet is to buy an external modem for about $100. Most | of the stuff that's GNU/Linux-compatible is now labled as such. $100 sounds rather high to me. I haven't actually bought a modem, all the ones I have were given to me. If you want I can send you a 14.4Kb/s external US Robotics modem. The only cost will be shipping. Otherwise you can probably find a used parts shop around and get one there. I picked up my last internal for about $80 or so. Externals are more expensive. Winmodems tend to run half the cost or less -- I've seen them as low as $25 or so. Don't be fooled. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpsRAj3RbzJO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Modem prices (was Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...)
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 11:38:30AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:31:09PM -0400, D-Man ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:11:14PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: | | For starters, you have to find out whether or not you've got a WinModem. | | If so, your best bet is to buy an external modem for about $100. Most | | of the stuff that's GNU/Linux-compatible is now labled as such. | | $100 sounds rather high to me. I haven't actually bought a modem, all | the ones I have were given to me. If you want I can send you a | 14.4Kb/s external US Robotics modem. The only cost will be shipping. | Otherwise you can probably find a used parts shop around and get one | there. | | I picked up my last internal for about $80 or so. Externals are more | expensive. Winmodems tend to run half the cost or less -- I've seen | them as low as $25 or so. Don't be fooled. Wow. I really didn't think they were that much. Ethernet is a superior technology, and NICs run $15-$30 for decent ones. As I said I got all my modems as hand-me-downs so I didn't pay for any of them. The only one I got new was the 56K internal win^H^H^Hlosemodem that came with the Compaq I used to own. One of the more recent ones I got was a 28.8K ISA internal modem. It came from the scraps at the company my dad works at. I plugged it in and voila it worked. Much better than that winmodem ;-). Somewhat of a surprise since it came with no ESD protected, etc. and no documentation at all. -D
sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
Well, here goes. I have installed debian a number of times, never successfully. When I go bakc into the installation to fix something, I have to redo everything. That gets tedious when your doing it from floppies :-( (no cd burner for me). Well, here is my problem, and if anyone has time to help me out, I'll be very thankful. Here goes nothing... I install linux from the floppies. The main problem is that I am tryig to install it on a computer I got from the school library when they got new ones. Here's the problem, I have no idea what drivers to install to get it working properly. From what I see I have to pick them out by hand in Debian, and I have no idea which ones will do what. The only one I install then is the PPP support, which i figure might get me connected to the net to get the rest of the stuff. I'm moer than likely wrong, so if anyone can instruct me on what to do I'd be grateful. Now, when I only install that PPP driver, i make it fine into the main area of defining the base system and stuff. I set the time, and I get to the point where I need to put additional packages no the pc. I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. So I try to hook up to the net using a PPP connection and my isp and the computer can't seem to find the modem. It asks for a manual port. Now, I've gone through a number of them, but I can't seem to make a conncection to the net. The last of my problems is that I finally got into the shell (after the login, ect.) without installing any packages, more an accident that intentionally. Well, now I went back in to the installation process to retry the PPP package downloader. Well, to make it short, I had to reinstall, but nohing works now anyway, so I will have to reinstall after all. This isn't really anything you can help me with unless you have some advice that will help if it happens again. Well, thanks for reading all of that. If anyone can answer those questions and tell me what I'm doing wrong and how to fix it, then thanks. Well, goodluck to everyone else out there. Until the inevitable next time... __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:28PM -0700, GPswyft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I install linux from the floppies. Which version? I'm going to assume Debian GNU/Linux 2.1, Potato. The main problem is that I am tryig to install it on a computer I got from the school library when they got new ones. Here's the problem, I have no idea what drivers to install to get it working properly. You need to install the drivers necessary to get things working properly. It's a somewhat reflexive definition, but it makes sense if you think about it. Install, if something doesn't work, and it doesn't work because of lacking kernel support, find out what driver(s) are necessary. Generally, you're concerned with networking (your case), peripherals, disk drivers, SCSI support, sound, and video. To get your system running, it's usually only necessary to work with networking and storage (disks, CDROM). It *really helps* to know what you're dealing with in terms of hardware -- pull that case open, look inside, check out the cards, CPU, memory slots, and disk drives, to see what's there. If parts are labled, write down what they say. Often you're reduced to looking at chipsets and trying to figure out what you've got based on the manufacturer's numbers. This may sound impossible, but most of the time a Google search will turn up the part, say, video 86C988 (try it, you'll know what video card I'm running). Adding Linux to that will almost always turn up driver-related information. From what I see I have to pick them out by hand in Debian, and I have no idea which ones will do what. The only one I install then is the PPP support, which I figure might get me connected to the net to get the rest of the stuff. I'm more than likely wrong, so if anyone can instruct me on what to do I'd be grateful. PPP will do it. Now, when I only install that PPP driver, I make it fine into the main area of defining the base system and stuff. I set the time, and I get to the point where I need to put additional packages no the pc. I can't do this with a cd because i said before I don't own a cd burner. You can buy installation disks for about $10 or so, including shipping, from LinuxCenteral, Linux.com, and other sources. You don't need to burn your own. So I try to hook up to the net using a PPP connection and my isp and the computer can't seem to find the modem. It asks for a manual port. Now, I've gone through a number of them, but I can't seem to make a conncection to the net. First, there's documentation which covers this, the Modem-HOWTO, which you can find at http://www.linuxdocs.org/. For starters, you have to find out whether or not you've got a WinModem. If so, your best bet is to buy an external modem for about $100. Most of the stuff that's GNU/Linux-compatible is now labled as such. If your modem *is* Linux-compabible, you want to resolve your COM port and IRQ settings. See the HOWTO for information. Hint: 'dmesg' and 'setserial' are valuable debuggin tools. You'll also want the Hayes command set for your modem -- this is usually posted to the manufacturer's website, it's the set of commands (e.g.: 'AT', 'ATDT') which control the modem. The last of my problems is that I finally got into the shell (after the login, ect.) without installing any packages, more an accident that intentionally. Well, now I went back in to the installation process to retry the PPP package downloader. Well, to make it short, I had to reinstall, but nohing works now anyway, so I will have to reinstall after all. This isn't really anything you can help me with unless you have some advice that will help if it happens again. Um. Not too clear what's going on there. If you can get local help or someone to walk you through things, this can be a big help. Well, thanks for reading all of that. If anyone can answer those questions and tell me what I'm doing wrong and how to fix it, then thanks. Well, goodluck to everyone else out there. Until the inevitable next time... Good luck. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpgNFra9nBcm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
GPswyft writes: I try to hook up to the net using a PPP connection and my isp and the computer can't seem to find the modem. It asks for a manual port. Now, I've gone through a number of them, but I can't seem to make a conncection to the net. What kind of modem do you have? Please tell use _exactly_ what you did and post the _exact_ error messages. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: sigh...big problems if anyone has time to help me out...
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:11:14PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:28PM -0700, GPswyft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | | I install linux from the floppies. | | Which version? I'm going to assume Debian GNU/Linux 2.1, Potato. I assume that's a typo and you meant 2.2, not 2.1. ... | For starters, you have to find out whether or not you've got a WinModem. | If so, your best bet is to buy an external modem for about $100. Most | of the stuff that's GNU/Linux-compatible is now labled as such. $100 sounds rather high to me. I haven't actually bought a modem, all the ones I have were given to me. If you want I can send you a 14.4Kb/s external US Robotics modem. The only cost will be shipping. Otherwise you can probably find a used parts shop around and get one there. HTH, -D
