Re: suggestions for window manager
2007/5/10, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are a lot of window managers available (too many to download and test them all over a slow dial up link) and I'm looking for suggestions. Here's what I want: low-resource: box only has 64 MB available. Most of the time, x apps are run via ssh to my main Athlon64 box. Rock solid stable. A focus on good design and being bug-free over adding 'features'. A little panel with a clock and buttons for frequently used apps preferably with a little helper to set up or a very simple config file. A place for minimized windows to go that displays their current title. E.g. if Konquorer's download manager (all via ssh) is busy, it puts its percent complete in the title. Having a little panel for these makes it easy to keep track of progress. Window resizing, minimizing, maximizing, shading. I used to use icewm but the configuration and menu-editing apps don't seem to be in etch. I've tried xfce4 but it seems to use too many resources. I've also had it die periodically. Uses easy to read fonts. icewm could still be your friend if you don't worry to edit a couple of text file. cheers raffaele
Re: suggestions for window manager
low-resource: box only has 64 MB available. Rock solid stable. A focus on good design and being bug-free over adding 'features'. I recommend ctwm. But you'll have to go through editing a config file. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for window manager
On 5/10/07, Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: low-resource: box only has 64 MB available. Rock solid stable. A focus on good design and being bug-free over adding 'features'. This is pretty much a matter of taste. For light WMs, the ones I've tried and heard of are: fluxbox icewm pekwm fvwm(#) I've read through this list fvwm is pretty light and manageable once one learns how to configure it properly (fvwm2 was the default at work, and for remote work I found fluxbox lighter, so I dropped fvwm, it might have been not having the right configuration, and I didn't like it that much to continue trying), however for out of the box pretty light and easy tocustomize I'd say fluxbox is the one I prefer. I tried icewm, but I got back to fluxbox since when compiling on machines where I don't have root permissions it has less dependencies, and I honestly liked it better. I also tried pekwm, and I liked it at the instant I used it, pretty light as well if not lighter, however it doesn't natively include toolbar, so one needs to install a separate toolbar application, which is OK, but then the combination might not be as light as one integrated thing. There are tons of other options (some already mentioned in this thread), and you can find out only by trying them. I've always gone back to fluxbox though, :). -- Javier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestions for window manager
There are a lot of window managers available (too many to download and test them all over a slow dial up link) and I'm looking for suggestions. Here's what I want: low-resource: box only has 64 MB available. Most of the time, x apps are run via ssh to my main Athlon64 box. Rock solid stable. A focus on good design and being bug-free over adding 'features'. A little panel with a clock and buttons for frequently used apps preferably with a little helper to set up or a very simple config file. A place for minimized windows to go that displays their current title. E.g. if Konquorer's download manager (all via ssh) is busy, it puts its percent complete in the title. Having a little panel for these makes it easy to keep track of progress. Window resizing, minimizing, maximizing, shading. I used to use icewm but the configuration and menu-editing apps don't seem to be in etch. I've tried xfce4 but it seems to use too many resources. I've also had it die periodically. Uses easy to read fonts. What I don't want is: On one hand, gradients, graphics everywhere, tiny icons that I can't see, and bells and whistles. On the other hand, something that needs keyboard commands I can't remember, configuration only via a complicated config file. Questions this generates: While a workstation/desktop can tolerate restarting X without much fuss, someone running a cluster of computers from a main console with lots of xterms needs a solid window manager. IBM has is Hardware Management Console (which I think runs either OS/2 or AIX) and Cray has Console Workstation. What do debian people use who need a solidly reliable X setup? Thanks for your ideas. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for window manager
On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:45:16 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Hi Doug, I have had roughly the same requirements for a lightweight wm on an old laptop (Pentium 133 and 32MB ram, NetBSD 3.0). After having tried fluxbox, blackbox, icewm and many others, I found that WindowMaker was not slower but more user-friendly. XFCE is now gtk2-based and no more a low-consuming resource environment. Talking about Icewm configuration tools, iceconf and icemc are included in Etch: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/iceconf http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/icemc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for window manager
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:45:16PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: I used to use icewm but the configuration and menu-editing apps don't seem to be in etch. My .icewm/preferences has 10 lines excluding comments. I never edit the menu because my main apps are in .icewm/toolbar which has a simple sintax: prog Title icon command Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: suggestions for window manager
On May 10, 12:10 pm, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of window managers available (too many to download and test them all over a slow dial up link) and I'm looking for suggestions. Fluxbox? http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ Certainly fills the rock solid bill. Don't know about memory requirements. rd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for window manager
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:45:16PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: There are a lot of window managers available (too many to download and test them all over a slow dial up link) and I'm looking for suggestions. Here's what I want: low-resource: box only has 64 MB available. Most of the time, x apps are run via ssh to my main Athlon64 box. Rock solid stable. A focus on good design and being bug-free over adding 'features'. A little panel with a clock and buttons for frequently used apps preferably with a little helper to set up or a very simple config file. A place for minimized windows to go that displays their current title. E.g. if Konquorer's download manager (all via ssh) is busy, it puts its percent complete in the title. Having a little panel for these makes it easy to keep track of progress. Window resizing, minimizing, maximizing, shading. I used to use icewm but the configuration and menu-editing apps don't seem to be in etch. I've tried xfce4 but it seems to use too many resources. I've also had it die periodically. Uses easy to read fonts. What I don't want is: On one hand, gradients, graphics everywhere, tiny icons that I can't see, and bells and whistles. On the other hand, something that needs keyboard commands I can't remember, configuration only via a complicated config file. Questions this generates: While a workstation/desktop can tolerate restarting X without much fuss, someone running a cluster of computers from a main console with lots of xterms needs a solid window manager. IBM has is Hardware Management Console (which I think runs either OS/2 or AIX) and Cray has Console Workstation. What do debian people use who need a solidly reliable X setup? Thanks for your ideas. Doug. WindowMaker should be able to handle this workload. It's pretty nice, easy to configure (Granted you installed the wmakerconf package), and all in all very fast. I've had no problems with it, and I've been using it exclusively now for two months. -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ - My Website If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they restrict the use of these programs. - Richard Stallman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for window manager
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 07:11:25PM -0700, BartlebyScrivener wrote: On May 10, 12:10 pm, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of window managers available (too many to download and test them all over a slow dial up link) and I'm looking for suggestions. Fluxbox? Certainly fills the rock solid bill. Don't know about memory requirements. Downloaded it tonight, will test tomorrow. Its a small download. fluxboxconf OTOH is 21MB. Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for window manager
ion3 (ion2 is) not in debian but just depends on lua-5.1 hth martin On 5/11/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 07:11:25PM -0700, BartlebyScrivener wrote: On May 10, 12:10 pm, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of window managers available (too many to download and test them all over a slow dial up link) and I'm looking for suggestions. Fluxbox? Certainly fills the rock solid bill. Don't know about memory requirements. Downloaded it tonight, will test tomorrow. Its a small download. fluxboxconf OTOH is 21MB. Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin Marcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mycorners.com https://www.xing.com/profile/Martin_Marcher http://www.linkedin.com/in/martinmarcher http://www.studivz.net/profile.php?ids=9f83ea8c5996b8ec http://www.amazon.de/gp/registry/wishlist/3KDAGCL2NKOIM/ref=reg_hu-wl_goto-registry/302-4432803-5146435?ie=UTF8sort=date-added -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
