Re: the new apt-get recommendation
On Sb, 05 feb 11, 12:35:47, PMA wrote: I have often read advice to the effect that it is best to choose *ONE* package-handling strategy (dpkg OR apt-get OR aptitude OR synaptic) and stick to it -- if only to ensure a consistent system representation of my package installations history. There were bugs, which are fixed now. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
the new apt-get recommendation
Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Why is Debian flip flopping? Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102051022.24027.k...@suddenlink.net
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:22:23AM -0500, Kete wrote: Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Why is Debian flip flopping? Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102051022.24027.k...@suddenlink.net Follow the instructions given for upgrades in the release notes and you should be fine. Crucially, you may need to upgrade kernel/dpkg/apt/aptitude _FIRST_ or do certain steps in order. That's normally how it goes. This may depend on appropriate dependency resolution and which of apt / aptitude resolves dependencies best or behaves best in a dist-upgrade situation. This doesn't mean that you have to use apt ever after, though you will find that both apt and aptitude now share common databases and play nicely together. Oh, and did I mention to read the release notes and follow them ? :) Hope this helps, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110205160037.ga26...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
HI, On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:22:23AM -0500, Kete wrote: Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Because it is more robust for non-interactive dist-upgrade. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_literal_apt_get_literal_literal_apt_cache_literal_vs_literal_aptitude_literal This gives you situation when to use which. Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Which? Old release note? Why is Debian flip flopping? In simple words: * APT(apt-get) was the only option * aptitude was created and was better at one point in history * APT became better while aptitude had some annoing issues. Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. I do not think we requested you to lean that much detail. You can still use aptitude for that purpose. release note recommendation is for release-to-release update which is not daily packge management. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110205164751.ga11...@debian.org
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Kete k...@suddenlink.net wrote: Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Why is Debian flip flopping? Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. You can still use aptitude for searches. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim3barfksy8wnl7pugdw8jpnps9zcnqfvmlx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:22:23 -0500, Kete wrote: Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Why is Debian flip flopping? Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. It is explained in the same release notes: *** http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages 4.4. Upgrading packages The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian GNU/Linux releases is to use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have shown to more consistently give the desired upgrade results. *** I can tolerate that waving movement if the change provides higher consistency to the upgrading process. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.05.17.09...@gmail.com
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
I have often read advice to the effect that it is best to choose *ONE* package-handling strategy (dpkg OR apt-get OR aptitude OR synaptic) and stick to it -- if only to ensure a consistent system representation of my package installations history. In preparing to install a given package, what would alert me that my strategy of choice -- whichever from above -- is NOT a good idea? Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:22:23AM -0500, Kete wrote: Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Why is Debian flip flopping? Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102051022.24027.k...@suddenlink.net Follow the instructions given for upgrades in the release notes and you should be fine. Crucially, you may need to upgrade kernel/dpkg/apt/aptitude _FIRST_ or do certain steps in order. That's normally how it goes. This may depend on appropriate dependency resolution and which of apt / aptitude resolves dependencies best or behaves best in a dist-upgrade situation. This doesn't mean that you have to use apt ever after, though you will find that both apt and aptitude now share common databases and play nicely together. Oh, and did I mention to read the release notes and follow them ? :) Hope this helps, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d4d8a73.9020...@aya.yale.edu
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
Okay, I misunderstood that it was only for upgrading Debian 5 to 6. I thought it was for upgrading packages. Thanks On Saturday February 5, 2011 11:00:37 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:22:23AM -0500, Kete wrote: Hello, why have the authors of the Debian 6 release notes chosen to recommend apt-get? Just a few months ago, I read some other official documentation recommend aptitude. Why is Debian flip flopping? Now, I have to learn apt's commands, and already, an apt-cache search doesn't tell me which packages are installed. Follow the instructions given for upgrades in the release notes and you should be fine. Crucially, you may need to upgrade kernel/dpkg/apt/aptitude _FIRST_ or do certain steps in order. That's normally how it goes. This may depend on appropriate dependency resolution and which of apt / aptitude resolves dependencies best or behaves best in a dist-upgrade situation. This doesn't mean that you have to use apt ever after, though you will find that both apt and aptitude now share common databases and play nicely together. Oh, and did I mention to read the release notes and follow them ? :) Hope this helps, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102051241.45765.k...@suddenlink.net
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
On 02/05/2011 03:35 PM, PMA wrote: I have often read advice to the effect that it is best to choose *ONE* package-handling strategy (dpkg OR apt-get OR aptitude OR synaptic) and stick to it -- if only to ensure a consistent system representation of my package installations history. Since they use the same database, it's ok to mix them. What changes are things like conflict resolution algorithms, and that's probably why the release changes recommend apt-get for the lennysqueeze upgrade. -- If you do something right once, someone will ask you to do it again. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d4d9e9c.8000...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: the new apt-get recommendation
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On 02/05/2011 03:35 PM, PMA wrote: I have often read advice to the effect that it is best to choose *ONE* package-handling strategy (dpkg OR apt-get OR aptitude OR synaptic) and stick to it -- if only to ensure a consistent system representation of my package installations history. Since they use the same database, it's ok to mix them. Except for holding packages (AFAIK/AFAIR). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinmix3yqdviuvuabevbvax0uemyp+jomh_up...@mail.gmail.com
