Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity (was: TBird mail)

[gene heskett]

On 12/7/22 17:50, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 01:36:31AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

gene heskett composed on 2022-12-06 21:03 (UTC-0500):
  

I'd love to be able to install TDE, which would give me back the best
email agent linux ever had, kmail-3.5 but with all its bugs fixed, but
the first TDE package I select, generates over 300 hits of dependency
hell from synaptic.
  


Gene,

Just done this to check in a virtual machine. I concur with Felix.

Expert install of Debian 11.5 - standard - text only.
Deselect everything other than standard using tasksel at that stage.
Add the 
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions
 /etc/apt/sources.list lines.

Add the GPG key using wget then

apt-get update ; apt-get install aptitude
aptitude install tde-trinity

and it just works. No drama and everything installed from Trinity.

568M / 700 and change packages?


apt/apt-get/aptitude are used for software installations here.



Thanks Felix for the instructions to try.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
  


And you trust aptitude to do that? Maybe 10 times I've looked at a 
system with aptitude, 5 times I've asked it to install something, and 4 
times its gone wild removing other dependencies that got in its way, 
stripped the system so bad it wouldn't reboot. I wound up re-installing 
and losing everything because the installer insists on formatting 
everything.  I've managed to get it mostly running despite the broken 
installer everybody else claims works fine, and have around 300 gigs of 
work I don't want to lose or re-invent on my 2t /home raid10. 20+ times 
I've re-installed debian 11 from scratch. 20+ times I've tried to get 
rid of orca and brltty, and 20+ times it would not reboot after killing 
them, stuck trying to find them. ow I've gotten rid of the aggravation 
of having my speakers yelling at me, doing a lousy job of pronouncing 
every key press.  But since the middle of October its decided to sit 
silently, no disk activity, for 10 to 20 minutes before loading the bios 
or loading grub. Once it loaded grub, it normal. Memtest86 gives 32gigs 
of dram a clean bill of health.


That's a chance of loss I won't take until such time as I get another 
raid10 setup for amanda to give me a backup, and ATM that is about 3rd 
on my priority list. Today I'm half (easy part) done assembling a two 
trees saphire-5-plus kit so I've at least 1 working 3d printer to make 
parts for two other even bigger printers that I'm going to "tip the can 
pretty high" on, running a 60mm/sec printer at 600+mm/sec. One slow 
consumer grade 3d printer equals nearly a month to make one woodworkers 
vise screw I've designed, and I need to get that down to a week or less 
before it becomes affordable.


And at 88 yo, long term (30 years) type 2 diabetic & prostate concerns 
are telling me I'm running out of time. I thank those that have tried to 
help, but until I know more what the boot problem is, I can't help you 
or myself since I've not a clue whats going on.


Painted into a very small corner but hanging on.

Thank you all, take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity (was: TBird mail)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 01:36:31AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> gene heskett composed on 2022-12-06 21:03 (UTC-0500):
>  
> > I'd love to be able to install TDE, which would give me back the best 
> > email agent linux ever had, kmail-3.5 but with all its bugs fixed, but 
> > the first TDE package I select, generates over 300 hits of dependency 
> > hell from synaptic.
>  

Gene,

Just done this to check in a virtual machine. I concur with Felix.

Expert install of Debian 11.5 - standard - text only.
Deselect everything other than standard using tasksel at that stage.
Add the 
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions
 /etc/apt/sources.list lines.

Add the GPG key using wget then

apt-get update ; apt-get install aptitude
aptitude install tde-trinity

and it just works. No drama and everything installed from Trinity.

568M / 700 and change packages?

> apt/apt-get/aptitude are used for software installations here.
>

Thanks Felix for the instructions to try.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
 

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity

[Anssi Saari]

Bret Busby  writes:

> It is perhaps, the oldest surviving email application (through its
> incarnations)

I did just see a patch for Elm posted in alt.sources so Alpine is maybe
the second oldest surviving email client. Not that it's packaged for
Debian. Looks like they offer .deb creation scripts though at
http://www.elmme-mailer.org/

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity (was: TBird mail)

[gene heskett]

On 12/7/22 04:02, Bret Busby wrote:

On 07/12/2022 14:36, Felix Miata wrote:

gene heskett composed on 2022-12-06 21:03 (UTC-0500):

I'd love to be able to install TDE, which would give me back the best
email agent linux ever had, kmail-3.5 but with all its bugs fixed, but
the first TDE package I select, generates over 300 hits of dependency
hell from synaptic.


Whilst I use Thunderbird (currently 102.4.2 (64-bit) ) as a webmail 
application, to access and deal with email on a multiple times daily, 
basis, my real email application, which you should perhaps try, is 
alpine, the MUA previously known as pine. It is simple to install and 
use, and, very powerful (I currently have about 20GB of email, going 
back about twenty years, that it manages, with hundreds of filters, and, 
hundreds of folders.


It is perhaps, the oldest surviving email application (through its 
incarnations), and, it is the most powerful, and stable, email 
application that I have encountered. I think that I have been using it 
for about thirty years.



Sounds like I could be a user, Bret.  Can it import from t-bird?
Thank you.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity

[Felix Miata]

gene heskett composed on 2022-12-07 04:21 (UTC-0500):

> here, tde is dependency hell. And IDK why.

Did you ever start with a completed bare bones minimal (no X) installation,
followed by a minimal TDE installation, which pulls in only as much of X as it
requires, and rebooting, before adding preempt, CNC or anything else? Capturing
screen output from installation failures should be easy if done with apt in 
Konsole.

> Can I have synaptic keep a list so I could post it?

List of what? Post for what reason?
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity (was: TBird mail)

[gene heskett]

On 12/7/22 01:36, Felix Miata wrote:

gene heskett composed on 2022-12-06 21:03 (UTC-0500):
  

I'd love to be able to install TDE, which would give me back the best
email agent linux ever had, kmail-3.5 but with all its bugs fixed, but
the first TDE package I select, generates over 300 hits of dependency
hell from synaptic.
  
All my Debians, which I don't keep count of but surely must number in excess

of 50, are /originally/ installed NET, usually by loading the installation
kernel and initrd using Grub, and using a kernel cmdline that includes the
following options:

   netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard 
base-installer/install-recommends=false

IIRC this gives me a Debian with zero X installed, though I could be remembering
wrong and getting a minimal X lacking all the well known DEs and leaving me with
only IceWM and startx.

Next I don't remember whether /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends has been
created as a consequence of those command line options, or I make it myself, as
it's been a while since I needed a fresh installation, but it contains:

   APT::Install-Recommends "false";

Only after this is done, I follow the /optional/ instructions on:

   
<https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions>

This means after sources & GPG configuration, I do:

apt install tdebase-trinity tdm-trinity konsole-trinity 
ksnapshot-trinity

Once this completes & I reboot to TDM, it's just a matter of logging in and 
checking
which extra packages I want that the base install didn't include, then adding 
them
with apt or aptitude. I have a working installation with no dependency 
shenanigans,
and no Gnome or other bloat that installing web browsers doesn't force.

I think I may have opened synaptic many many moons ago in *buntu before I ever
installed a Debian, but I doubt any of my Debians have synaptic installed. Only
apt/apt-get/aptitude are used for software installations here.

The currently booted state is:

# inxi -S
System:
   Host: gb250 Kernel: 5.19.0-2-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity
 v: R14.0.13 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid
# df -h /
Filesystem   Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/nvme0n1p13  7.7G  4.3G  3.1G  59% /
# dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l
45
# dpkg -l | wc -l
883

Stats are similar with my Busters and Bullseyes, most of which are online
upgrades from Stretch or earlier releases. On this particular host, Buster
was the virgin on a then new Gigabyte Kaby Lake motherboard with NVME.


While this is a relatively new Asus. And I've run aptitude about 10 
times but I do not let it do anything to my systems, 4 times now I've 
lost it all and had to re-install from the dvd's because aptitude 
removes anything that gets in the way. Last time was removing gedit 
after it destroyed a working LinuxCNC the third time, it took the 
kernel. all of gnome and all of x ANAICT. So I don't trust it to 
actually DO anything. apt, apt-get, dpkg, synaptic all just work. But 
here, tde is dependency hell. And IDK why.


Can I have synaptic keep a list so I could post it?

Thanks Felix.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity (was: TBird mail)

[Bret Busby]

On 07/12/2022 14:36, Felix Miata wrote:

gene heskett composed on 2022-12-06 21:03 (UTC-0500):
  

I'd love to be able to install TDE, which would give me back the best
email agent linux ever had, kmail-3.5 but with all its bugs fixed, but
the first TDE package I select, generates over 300 hits of dependency
hell from synaptic.
  


Whilst I use Thunderbird (currently 102.4.2 (64-bit) ) as a webmail 
application, to access and deal with email on a multiple times daily, 
basis, my real email application, which you should perhaps try, is 
alpine, the MUA previously known as pine. It is simple to install and 
use, and, very powerful (I currently have about 20GB of email, going 
back about twenty years, that it manages, with hundreds of filters, and, 
hundreds of folders.


It is perhaps, the oldest surviving email application (through its 
incarnations), and, it is the most powerful, and stable, email 
application that I have encountered. I think that I have been using it 
for about thirty years.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: dep hell NOT with Trinity (was: TBird mail)

[Felix Miata]

gene heskett composed on 2022-12-06 21:03 (UTC-0500):
 
> I'd love to be able to install TDE, which would give me back the best 
> email agent linux ever had, kmail-3.5 but with all its bugs fixed, but 
> the first TDE package I select, generates over 300 hits of dependency 
> hell from synaptic.
 
All my Debians, which I don't keep count of but surely must number in excess
of 50, are /originally/ installed NET, usually by loading the installation
kernel and initrd using Grub, and using a kernel cmdline that includes the
following options:

  netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard 
base-installer/install-recommends=false 

IIRC this gives me a Debian with zero X installed, though I could be remembering
wrong and getting a minimal X lacking all the well known DEs and leaving me with
only IceWM and startx.

Next I don't remember whether /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends has been
created as a consequence of those command line options, or I make it myself, as
it's been a while since I needed a fresh installation, but it contains:

  APT::Install-Recommends "false";

Only after this is done, I follow the /optional/ instructions on:

  
<https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions>

This means after sources & GPG configuration, I do:

    apt install tdebase-trinity tdm-trinity konsole-trinity 
ksnapshot-trinity

Once this completes & I reboot to TDM, it's just a matter of logging in and 
checking
which extra packages I want that the base install didn't include, then adding 
them
with apt or aptitude. I have a working installation with no dependency 
shenanigans,
and no Gnome or other bloat that installing web browsers doesn't force.

I think I may have opened synaptic many many moons ago in *buntu before I ever
installed a Debian, but I doubt any of my Debians have synaptic installed. Only
apt/apt-get/aptitude are used for software installations here.

The currently booted state is:

# inxi -S
System:
  Host: gb250 Kernel: 5.19.0-2-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity
v: R14.0.13 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid
# df -h /
Filesystem   Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/nvme0n1p13  7.7G  4.3G  3.1G  59% /
# dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l
45
# dpkg -l | wc -l
883

Stats are similar with my Busters and Bullseyes, most of which are online
upgrades from Stretch or earlier releases. On this particular host, Buster
was the virgin on a then new Gigabyte Kaby Lake motherboard with NVME.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Prof. Ramon Mulin]

The Trinity is default DE on EOMA64 Debian version too!
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

P.s.: Sorry for my basic and poor english. I'm brazilian!

*Ramon Mulin
Professor de História*
Em 24/04/2021 10:04, Felmon Davis escreveu:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while ago - it is 
lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian based 
but not pure Debian.


my impression is that Q4OS is an offshoot of Trinity; I use it on one 
laptop more by accident than design - it played nicely with the 
graphic chip.


I very much liked Exegnu, based on Trinity, but haven't used it in a 
while.


f.

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Felmon Davis]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while ago - it is 
lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian based 
but not pure Debian.


my impression is that Q4OS is an offshoot of Trinity; I use it on one 
laptop more by accident than design - it played nicely with the 
graphic chip.


I very much liked Exegnu, based on Trinity, but haven't used it in a 
while.


f.

--
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[deloptes]

D. R. Evans wrote:

> I will also say that the modern KDE look, with its rather astonishing
> amount of wasted space, was not to my taste, although that was not the
> principal reason why I installed TDE.
> 
> The biggest two annoyances I find in TDE as compared to KDE are both in
> Konqueror: a) the display of directories does not continually renew on
> changes; b)  when displaying image files, the images are not scaled down
> to fit within the current display panel. So it's not perfect. But I find
> it just a lot nicer to use than modern versions of KDE. Other people
> doubtless have different opinions.

The main reason and goal of the TDE community is to provide a stable working
environment. Indeed there are minor bugs, limitations likely and such as
old code that needs update, which is worked on and done constantly, but if
you want to sit down, do some work and go on - this is the perfect desktop
for me.
Even today with Qt5 the KDE is unstable to my taste, not to mention Gnome.
I want to just sit down do the work I did yesterday or an year ago and not
start debugging some application, configuration or whatever that was
working before. Another advantage is the low disk, memory and CPU
footprint.
And you can install and use all the shiny KDE5 or Gnome stuff you like.

Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 5:46 PM Felix Miata  wrote:

> Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400):
>
> > One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
> > doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.
>
> Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that
> many Xorg
> users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do:
> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
> https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
> --
>

Thanks for the links.  I have done, some of my own research finding, among
other things, a "Live DVD Wayland Demo" on Sourceforge, called "Rebecca
Black OS".

   https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/

It was, by using the Live DVD that I found the issues, attempting to use
Wayland on one of my Laptops (an old HP).  (By the way, it even includes
Wayland's own Demonstration, called Weston).

Thanks again!

Kenneth Parker


0.

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> based on faith, not based on science.
>
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>
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>
>

Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)

[Felix Miata]

Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400):

> One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
> doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.

Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that many Xorg
users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do:
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
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based on faith, not based on science.

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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Felix Miata]

Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 16:23 (UTC-0400):

> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
> am not familiar with it.

> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?

TDE is a fork of KDE 3.5.10. Since KDE4 was a major rewrite for QT4, which made
many former KDE3 users hate KDE4, and KDE5 a major rewrite for QT5, there is 
quite
a bit of similarity overall between Plasma 5 and TDE, yet vast differences
underneath. Computing eons have passed since the forking. TDE can be installed
alongside KDE5 just as XFCE or Cinnamon or Mate can be installed alongside KDE5.
KDE5 runs on QT5, while TDE runs on a fork of QT3 called TQT. TDM can start a
Plasma session, and a TDE session can run KDE5 apps. What doesn't mix is KDE3 
and
TDE, but that's only possible to attempt on openSUSE, since KDE3 is long gone
everywhere else.

TDE is great for those interested in responsiveness & speed with low overhead, 
low
demand, thus great for older hardware and under 2GB RAM.
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based on faith, not based on science.

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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:57 PM Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as
> I
> > am not familiar with it.
> >
> > How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> > (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> > most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
> >
> > Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kenneth Parker
>
> It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and
> TDE
> might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a
> while
> ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian
> based but not pure Debian.
>
> Does this help?
>

Yes it does (and thanks, Gene for your input).

Like I said, I have a VM to examine the current KDE, and have been puzzled
about the Plasma part.

Since I examine, closely on Qemu before allowing anything on "bare Metal",
I will do the same thing with TDE, and then make up my mind between the
two.

One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.

Again, thanks to both you, Andrew, and Gene.

>
> All the very best, as ever,
>
> Andy C.
>

Kenneth Parker

>

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Joshua Edward Horn]

On 4/22/21 4:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 22 April 2021 16:23:02 Kenneth Parker wrote:


I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up,
as I am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with
KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using
XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a
mess?

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

Its a fork of kde at the kde-3.5 level, just before they screwed it up
hopelessly with all the plasma bs. KDE grew eye candy with lots more
bugs.  But with 99% or more of 3.5's bugs now fixed. Stable and rock
solid now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


TDE is one of my favorite desktops. I used KDE when it was version 1 and 2 and 
I missed that old look. TDE kind of gives it back, when I use
it I set everything to look like KDE 1/2. It's a really cool project in my 
opinion. Whenever I need that 1997 feel, I always go with TDE.
--
J. Horn
joshh...@aol.com

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[D. R. Evans]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote on 4/22/21 2:57 PM:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
(so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?



I use TDE as my desktop on my main [debian stable, 64-bit] machine for real 
work; I gave up waiting for the KDE coders to reimplement some functionality 
that was lost when they switched to KDE4 (and then KDE5, or whatever it's 
called nowadays).


I also have KDE installed on the machine, for the very few occasions when I 
find that the KDE5 version of a program has something that I need and which is 
not in TDE -- that happens so rarely that off the top of my head I can't even 
think of an example, but I know that it has happened; but I believe that it's 
always been in the nature of fluff/candy, not core functionality. And in fact 
even then I don't run the KDE desktop, but just run the KDE version of a 
program instead of the TDE version.


FWIW, the biggest reason I switched to TDE was the lack of support in KDE for 
displaying in the panel sysguard widgets that obtain data from remote systems. 
In my panel I have widgets reporting on the health of other machines... and 
those other machines are running KDE (because I interact with their desktops 
so infrequently that it wasn't worth installing a different desktop on them).


I will also say that the modern KDE look, with its rather astonishing amount 
of wasted space, was not to my taste, although that was not the principal 
reason why I installed TDE.


The biggest two annoyances I find in TDE as compared to KDE are both in 
Konqueror: a) the display of directories does not continually renew on 
changes; b)  when displaying image files, the images are not scaled down to 
fit within the current display panel. So it's not perfect. But I find it just 
a lot nicer to use than modern versions of KDE. Other people doubtless have 
different opinions.


  Doc

--
Web:  http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 16:23:02 Kenneth Parker wrote:

> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up,
> as I am not familiar with it.
>
> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with
> KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using
> XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
>
> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a
> mess?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenneth Parker

Its a fork of kde at the kde-3.5 level, just before they screwed it up  
hopelessly with all the plasma bs. KDE grew eye candy with lots more 
bugs.  But with 99% or more of 3.5's bugs now fixed. Stable and rock 
solid now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
> am not familiar with it.
> 
> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
> 
> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kenneth Parker

It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and TDE
might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while
ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian
based but not pure Debian.

Does this help?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Kenneth Parker]

I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
(so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

[RavenLX]

On 05/19/2017 09:24 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:

I got a new hard disk.
I still get the same clicking, but now it also sometimes happens before 
I type in the passphrase to unlock the luks encrypted lvm partition the 
OS sits on.

Maybe it's the hard disk controller.
I also took out the Broadcom wifi/bluetooth pci express card as it was 
acting up too.

Maybe it's time to retire this Samsung NP-RF711-S07UK.
Bought in 2012, that's four years more than the warranty.

Regards,
Philip Ashmore

Still using the Samsung, no clicks at the moment.


I have a IBM/Lenovo T61 a friend gave me brand new (as a gift) back in 
2007. It's still going! Running Debian 8.8 with XFCE. However, I too 
hear some faint clicking noises from time to time and wonder if the HD 
is dying. I have a spare HD (has only 80GB and Windows Vista Home 
Premium pre-installed on it). I don't want to really replace the HD 
(whether new - as I can't afford it or the original 80GB one). But it's 
been working otherwise, no problems or errors.


My HP Pavilion g7 I've had maybe 4 or 5 years now (forgot when I 
actually got it) and it is my "main" system I use all day every day. 
Never any clicking noises or problems (set up the same with Debian 8.8 
with XFCE). That one sometimes would run a bit hot (so I put fans under 
it and have some power management packages installed).


I'm not sure why some systems react a certain way and other's don't. But 
if you put a new HD in and the clicking is still there, then you just 
ruled out the HD, at least.


Next thing I think you could check is the fan, and the system 
temperatures. Maybe a fan is starting to go or just needs cleaning and 
oiling?

Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Fri, 19 May 2017, at 14:24, Philip Ashmore wrote:

> I got a new hard disk.
> I still get the same clicking

Could it be the laptop's fan? 

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

[Philip Ashmore]

On 11/05/17 18:21, Philip Ashmore wrote:

On 10/05/17 20:54, Jhoanir Torres wrote:

I think your disk is broken.



On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Philip Ashmore
<cont...@philipashmore.com <mailto:cont...@philipashmore.com>> wrote:

Hi there.

I managed to record it using my laptops built-in microphone.

To those who would prefer a description:
It starts fast and slows down. I opened the file with Audacity and
determined the intervals to be 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 10, 15 seconds, then
it repeats.

It sounds like some kind of protocol negotiation algorithm that
requires a disk sync when the polling time doubles.

Here's a link for your listening pleasure:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0>

I'm hoping it's some cron job, or DropBox, Trinity Desktop, wifi,
smart disk status monitoring, nVidia, Intel, ... not a virus trying
to phone home.

I'm really hoping that someone reading this will go "oh that thing"
and know what it is instantly.

Curiously it doesn't happen every day.

Regards,
Philip Ashmore




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I had suspended to ram and restored => clicking.
Fresh boot today => no clicking.
Also the intervals are 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 1.0, 1.5 seconds.

And, yep, I've ordered another hard drive.

Philip Ashmore

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I got a new hard disk.
I still get the same clicking, but now it also sometimes happens before 
I type in the passphrase to unlock the luks encrypted lvm partition the 
OS sits on.

Maybe it's the hard disk controller.
I also took out the Broadcom wifi/bluetooth pci express card as it was 
acting up too.

Maybe it's time to retire this Samsung NP-RF711-S07UK.
Bought in 2012, that's four years more than the warranty.

Regards,
Philip Ashmore

Still using the Samsung, no clicks at the moment.

FMIT KMail-Trinity

[GiaThnYgeia]

Lisi Reisz:
> Or, in KMail-Trinity, left click on the address, et voilà!  A _new_, 
> correctly 
> addressed message with a pristine subject line.
> 
> Lisi

Please don't say trinity it gets the matrix disturbed
I turned my head and the shiskebap was gone

kAt(s)

> 

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[1/2 HS] Aider les mainteneurs du bureau Linux Trinity TDE

[andre_debian]

L'équipe des mainteneurs de TDE ont des difficultés
financières pour continuer à poursuivre leur belle oeuvre,
qui marche parfaitement sous Debian.

TDE est un bureau idéal, un KDE-4 léger et rapide,
avec les mêmes fonctionnalités.

Ce serait très dommage si ils devaient arrêter.

Si vous voulez les aider :

If you can, please donate to the TDE project here, and thanks!

https://trinitydesktop.org/donate.php

André

Leur mail original :

Sujet : End of Year Fundraiser

I'll keep this short and simple.  The TDE project needs your financial
support to continue hosting the services critical for further development.

This year we are have fallen significantly short of breaking even on the
monthly expenses needed to keep TDE online and under active development;
these expenses primarily consist of electricity for the TDE servers and
Internet bandwidth.  I have been covering the shortfall for several years
now, but it has become a great strain over the past few months.  If you
would prefer to offer financial rewards for fixing specific bugs, that
works too, but the bottom line is we need additional financial support to
avoid further service cuts that could slow / stop development.

We are not in a position to outsource portions of the TDE infrastructure
beyond what has already been migrated to external systems such as the
mirror distribution system.  Attempting to split up the remaining core
would simply incur even higher bandwidth costs than what we already have,
and altering the stable, running system at this point could end up halting
development entirely.

Finally, I'd like to personally thank those individuals who have donated,
are hosting portions of the TDE infrastructure such as the mirror system
and backup site, or have been actively working on TDE development over the
past year.  Your contributions are much appreciated, and TDE would not be
possible without them!
Timothy Pearson , TDE Founder

Re: Trinity-kmail ininstallable et synchronisation des mails : résolu

[andre_debian]

On Wednesday 01 April 2015 08:55:02 mireero wrote:
 On 03/31/2015 11:10 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
  Sous mon PC portable, je suis passé à Jessie.
  Je recommande le bureau Trinity Desktop Environment = TDE,
  qui semble reprendre son développement :
  www.trinitydesktop.org
  (il s'agit d'un remake de Kde 3.5, bureau beaucoup plus léger que Kde
  4, tout en étant sophistiqué et complet).
  Il y a même une version pour Jessie.
  Cependant, un paquet ne s'installe pas du tout : trinity-kmail,
  problème de librairies ininstallables.
  (Bug ? et si vous avez une idée...= bienvenue !)
  C'est dommage, car du coup je ne peux plus synchroniser
  mes mails entre mes trois PC sous Debian.
  André

 Salut,
 Ne peux tu point rester avec rsync (après, le MUA c'est une affaire de
 goût, cela dit les réponses m'intéressent, j'en ai un peu marre de
 thunderbird)?  Et imap, ça va pas?  mireero

Résolu :
les paquets trinity-TDE utilisés sont en testing.
Il faut utiliser ceux-ci, pour Jessie :
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb jessie deps-r14 main-r14
(/etc/sources.list)  et tout baigne !

Encore une fois, je me permets de conseiller vivement
le bureau TDE (remake de KDE 3.5), à la fois léger et puissant,
et maintenu par une nouvelle équipe :
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

Quant à Kmail-Trinity, il me convient bien, si je le compare à 
Icedove (Thunderbird), Claws-mail, Evolution...

André

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Re: Trinity-kmail non installable et synchronisation des mails : résolu

[andre_debian]

On Wednesday 01 April 2015 08:55:02 mireero wrote:
 On 03/31/2015 11:10 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
  Sous mon PC portable, je suis passé à Jessie.
  Je recommande le bureau Trinity Desktop Environment = TDE,
  qui semble reprendre son développement :
  www.trinitydesktop.org
  (il s'agit d'un remake de Kde 3.5, bureau beaucoup plus léger que Kde
  4, tout en étant sophistiqué et complet).
  Il y a même une version pour Jessie.
  Cependant, un paquet ne s'installe pas du tout : trinity-kmail,
  problème de librairies ininstallables.
  (Bug ? et si vous avez une idée...= bienvenue !)
  C'est dommage, car du coup je ne peux plus synchroniser
  mes mails entre mes trois PC sous Debian.
  André

 Salut,
 Ne peux tu point rester avec rsync (après, le MUA c'est une affaire de
 goût, cela dit les réponses m'intéressent, j'en ai un peu marre de
 thunderbird)?  Et imap, ça va pas?  mireero

Résolu :
les paquets trinity-TDE utilisés sont en testing.
Il faut utiliser les release, pour Jessie :
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb jessie deps-r14 main-r14
(/etc/sources.list).

Encore une fois, je me permets de conseiller le bureau TDE 
(remake de KDE 3.5), à la fois léger et puissant,
maintenu par une nouvelle équipe : www.trinitydesktop.org/

Kmail-Trinity, il me convient bien, si je le compare à 
Icedove (Thunderbird), Claws-mail, Evolution...

André

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Re: Trinity-kmail ininstallable et synchronisation des mails

[maderios]

On 03/31/2015 10:58 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Hello,

Salut


Sous mon PC portable, je suis passé à Jessie.

Le PC est scotché sur ton plafond ?
Dur, dur le 1° avril, je sais...  :-)

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Re: Trinity-kmail ininstallable et synchronisation des mails

[mireero]

On 03/31/2015 11:10 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Hello,

Sous mon PC portable, je suis passé à Jessie.

Je recommande le bureau Trinity Desktop Environment = TDE,
qui semble reprendre son développement :
www.trinitydesktop.org
(il s'agit d'un remake de Kde 3.5, bureau beaucoup plus léger que Kde 4,
  tout en étant sophistiqué et complet).
Il y a même une version pour Jessie.

Cependant, un paquet ne s'installe pas du tout : trinity-kmail,
problème de librairies ininstallables.
(Bug ? et si vous avez une idée...= bienvenue !)

C'est dommage, car du coup je ne peux plus synchroniser
mes mails entre mes trois PC sous Debian.

Quel MUA me conseillez vous, avec une synchro facile
de ses mails entre ordinateurs (je désire éviter de le faire via Gmail).

L'objectif est d'avoir tous les mails reçus sur un PC qui apparaissent
ensuite dans les MUA des autres PC reliés dans un réseau local.
Avec Kmail, j'utilisais rsync et ça marchait au poil.

Merci d'avance.

André



Salut,

Ne peux tu point rester avec rsync (après, le MUA c'est une affaire de 
goût, cela dit les réponses m'intéressent, j'en ai un peu marre de 
thunderbird)?


Et imap, ça va pas?

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Trinity-kmail ininstallable et synchronisation des mails

[andre_debian]

Hello,

Sous mon PC portable, je suis passé à Jessie.

Je recommande le bureau Trinity Desktop Environment = TDE,
qui semble reprendre son développement :
www.trinitydesktop.org
(il s'agit d'un remake de Kde 3.5, bureau beaucoup plus léger que Kde 4, 
 tout en étant sophistiqué et complet).
Il y a même une version pour Jessie.

Cependant, un paquet ne s'installe pas du tout : trinity-kmail,
problème de librairies ininstallables. 
(Bug ? et si vous avez une idée...= bienvenue !)

C'est dommage, car du coup je ne peux plus synchroniser
mes mails entre mes trois PC sous Debian.

Quel MUA me conseillez vous, avec une synchro facile
de ses mails entre ordinateurs (je désire éviter de le faire via Gmail).

L'objectif est d'avoir tous les mails reçus sur un PC qui apparaissent 
ensuite dans les MUA des autres PC reliés dans un réseau local.
Avec Kmail, j'utilisais rsync et ça marchait au poil.

Merci d'avance.

André

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Re: kde-trinity pas installable

[ajh . valmer]

   Je tente d'installer le bureau kde-trinity sous Debian Squeeze,
   soit via synaptic
  et aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity
   Il me semble que les paquets telecharges via ce lien :
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/
   et bien ajouter dans le sources.list (4 lignes)
   ne soit pas atteignable ou en panne ...
   J'ai pourtant bien suivi les consignes ici :
   http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian

 Selon Bernard Schoenacker bernard.schoenac...@free.fr:
 merci de ne pas prendre les gens pour des imbeciles du fait que
 tu prend tes aises en denigrant par le biais de certains
 pseudonymes et d'un certain sinistre personnage travaillant
 pour les fonctionnaires du cote d'Orleans ...
 Pour memoire, un systeme sovietique et monolithique possede
 beaucoup d'avantages pour un brontosaure sovietique, mais n'est
 pas du tout modulaire ...
 slt bernard
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ex-agent soviétique exfiltré ...

Désolé de ma réponse précédente un peu sèche mais à l'adresse
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/
apt-get install ... n'arrive pas à télécharger bien des paquets kde-trinity,
quelque soit les fichiers sources ou trinity.list.


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kde-trinity pas installable

[ajh . valmer]

Bonsoir à tous,

Je tente d'installer le bureau kde-trinity sous Debian Squeeze,

soit via synaptic 
et 
aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity

Il me semble que les paquets téléchargés via ce lien :
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/
et bien ajouter dans le sources.list (4 lignes)
ne soit pas atteignable ou en panne ...

J'ai pourtant bien suivi les consignes ici :
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian

Si vous avez une idée, grand merci car je ne suis pas un fan de KDE-4.

AJH

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Re: kde-trinity pas installable

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:20:59 +0100,
ajh.val...@free.fr a écrit :

 Bonsoir à tous,
 
 Je tente d'installer le bureau kde-trinity sous Debian Squeeze,
 
 soit via synaptic 
 et 
 aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity
 
 Il me semble que les paquets téléchargés via ce lien :
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/
 et bien ajouter dans le sources.list (4 lignes)
 ne soit pas atteignable ou en panne ...
 
 J'ai pourtant bien suivi les consignes ici :
 http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian
 
 Si vous avez une idée, grand merci car je ne suis pas un fan de KDE-4.
 
 AJH
 

bonjour,


désolé mais la sytaxe de votre sources.list est en cause ...


cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list

deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main

deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze 
main
deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian 
squeeze main


slt
bernard

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Re: kde-trinity pas installable

[antoine]

Le Monday 09 January 2012 20:33:22 Bernard Schoenacker, vous avez écrit :
 Le Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:20:59 +0100,
 ajh.val...@free.fr a écrit :
  Bonsoir à tous,
  Je tente d'installer le bureau kde-trinity sous Debian Squeeze,
  soit via synaptic
 et aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity
  Il me semble que les paquets téléchargés via ce lien :
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/
  et bien ajouter dans le sources.list (4 lignes)
  ne soit pas atteignable ou en panne ...
  J'ai pourtant bien suivi les consignes ici :
  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian
  Si vous avez une idée, grand merci car je ne suis pas un fan de KDE-4.
  AJH

   désolé mais la sytaxe de votre sources.list est en cause ...
   cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
 deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
 deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze
 main
 deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian
 squeeze main deb-src
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze
 main
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Ce n'est pas indiqué dans la doc :
 http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian 
qui indique clairement :
Add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file

Merci d'une précision.

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Re: kde-trinity pas installable

[JF Straeten]

Re,

On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 08:40:53PM +0100, anto...@starinux.org wrote:

[...]

  désolé mais la sytaxe de votre sources.list est en cause ...
  cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list

 Je dois rajouter sous /etc/apt/ le répertoire sources.list.d
 et y placer le fichier trinity.list ?
 
 Ce n'est pas indiqué dans la doc :
  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian 
 qui indique clairement :
 Add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
 
 Merci d'une précision.

Il faut :

- soit coller le _contenu_ de trinity.list dans
  /etc/apt/sources.list ;

- soit, effectivement, copier le _fichier_ trinity.list dans
  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ (à créer au besoin).

Fonctionnellement, ça reviendra au même ; c'est comme t'aimes le mieux
d'un point de vue de gestion des dépôts de paquets.

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Re: kde-trinity pas installable

[ajh . valmer]

bonjour,
ci-joint le fichier trinity.list
slt
bernard

voici la liste des paquets à installer concernant trinity ...
mode opératoire :  apt-get install $(cat pkg-trinity.txt)
bon courrage
slt
bernard


Rien ne fonctionne, Debian ne trouve pas les paquets Trinity.






debian-kgtk-trinity
kio-locate-trinity
kradio-trinity
ksystemlog-trinity
kvirc-data-trinity
umbrello-trinity
poxml-trinity
libcvsservice0-trinity
kunittest-trinity
kuiviewer-trinity
kspy-trinity
kompare-trinity
kmtrace-trinity
kdesdk-trinity-doc-html
kdesdk-trinity
kdesdk-scripts-trinity
kdesdk-misc-trinity
kdesdk-kio-plugins-trinity
kdesdk-kfile-plugins-trinity
kcachegrind-trinity
kcachegrind-converters-trinity
kbugbuster-trinity
kbabel-trinity-dev
kbabel-trinity
kdevelop-trinity-doc
kdevelop-trinity-dev
kdevelop-trinity
kdevelop-data-trinity
kapptemplate-trinity
cervisia-trinity
noatun-trinity
mpeglib-trinity
libkcddb1-trinity
libarts1-xine-trinity
libarts1-mpeglib-trinity
kio-umountwrapper-trinity
libarts1-audiofile-trinity
gwenview-trinity
libarts1-akode-trinity
kscd-trinity
krec-trinity
kmix-trinity
kmid-trinity
kdemultimedia-trinity-doc-html
kdemultimedia-trinity
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins-trinity
kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins-trinity
kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data-trinity
kaudiocreator-trinity
kaboodle-trinity
juk-trinity
artsbuilder-trinity
libk3b3-trinity
lskat-trinity
libkdegames1-trinity
libkdegames-trinity-doc
libkdegames-trinity-dev
kwin4-trinity
ktuberling-trinity
ktron-trinity
kspaceduel-trinity
ksokoban-trinity
ksnake-trinity
kworldclock-trinity
kweather-trinity
ktux-trinity
kteatime-trinity
kodo-trinity
kmoon-trinity
kdetoys-trinity-doc-html
kdetoys-trinity
fifteenapplet-trinity
eyesapplet-trinity
amor-trinity
kaffeine-mozilla-trinity
libexiv2-doc-trinity
libexiv2-4-trinity
exiv2-trinity
katapult-trinity
libkdcraw3-trinity
ksmiletris-trinity
ksirtet-trinity
kshisen-trinity
ksame-trinity
kreversi-trinity
kpoker-trinity
kpat-trinity
konquest-trinity
kolf-trinity
knetwalk-trinity
kmines-trinity
kmahjongg-trinity
klines-trinity
klickety-trinity
kjumpingcube-trinity
kgoldrunner-trinity
kfouleggs-trinity
kenolaba-trinity
kdegames-trinity-doc-html
kdegames-trinity
libkexiv2-3-trinity
kde-i18n-af-trinity
kdegames-card-data-trinity
kbounce-trinity
kblackbox-trinity
kbattleship-trinity
kbackgammon-trinity
katomic-trinity
kasteroids-trinity
atlantik-trinity
libkiten1-trinity
libkdeedu3-trinity
kwordquiz-trinity
kvoctrain-trinity
kverbos-trinity
kturtle-trinity
ktouch-trinity
kstars-trinity
kstars-data-trinity
kpercentage-trinity
kmplot-trinity
klettres-trinity
klettres-data-trinity
klatin-trinity
kiten-trinity
kig-trinity
khangman-trinity
kgeography-trinity
kgeography-data-trinity
keduca-trinity
kdeedu-trinity-doc-html
kdeedu-trinity
kdeedu-data-trinity
kbruch-trinity
kanagram-trinity
kalzium-trinity
kalzium-data-trinity
indi-trinity
blinken-trinity
kbarcode-trinity
kcpuload-trinity
kipi-plugins-trinity-doc
kipi-plugins-trinity
kchmviewer-trinity
kchmviewer-nokde-trinity
kdirstat-trinity
kdmtheme-trinity
kile-trinity-i18n-fr
kile-trinity
knowit-trinity
kvkbd-trinity
kttsd-trinity
kttsd-contrib-plugins-trinity
ksayit-trinity
kmouth-trinity
kmousetool-trinity
kmag-trinity
kdeaccessibility-trinity-doc-html
kdeaccessibility-trinity
kde-icons-mono-trinity
kbstate-trinity
libk3b3-extracodecs-trinity
kdpkg-trinity
kmplayer-trinity-doc
kmplayer-trinity
kmplayer-konq-plugins-trinity
kmplayer-base-trinity
keep-trinity
kmyfirewall-trinity
knemo-trinity
knutclient-trinity
kuickshow-trinity
kdiff3-trinity-doc
kdiff3-trinity
kdesudo-trinity
knetload-trinity
adept-updater-trinity
adept-trinity
adept-notifier-trinity
adept-manager-trinity
adept-installer-trinity
adept-common-trinity
adept-batch-trinity
kerry-trinity
libkipi0-trinity
quanta-trinity
quanta-data-trinity
kxsldbg-trinity
kommander-trinity
klinkstatus-trinity
kimagemapeditor-trinity
kfilereplace-trinity
kdewebdev-trinity-doc-html
kdewebdev-trinity
abakus-trinity
dolphin-trinity
basket-trinity
filelight-trinity
fusion-icon-trinity
filelight-l10n-trinity
kaffeine-trinity
kaffeine-gstreamer-trinity
showfoto-trinity
digikam-trinity
libksquirrel0-trinity
libksquirrel-tools-trinity
libk3b2-extracodecs-trinity
libk3b-trinity-dev
k3b-trinity
k3b-data-trinity
noatun-plugins-trinity
ksig-trinity
konq-plugins-trinity
knewsticker-scripts-trinity
kicker-applets-trinity
kdeaddons-trinity-doc-html
kdeaddons-trinity
kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-trinity
kate-plugins-trinity
kaddressbook-plugins-trinity
atlantikdesigner-trinity
knetstats-trinity
knights-trinity
kpicosim-trinity
kwin-style-crystal-trinity
qtcurve-trinity
kde-style-qtcurve-trinity
potracegui-trinity
piklab-trinity
smb4k-trinity
python-trinity-trinity-doc
python-trinity-trinity
libtqtinterface-dev
libtqtinterface
kde-systemsettings-trinity
ktorrent-trinity
kopete-otr-trinity
kde-style-lipstik-trinity
kima-trinity
kio-apt-trinity
krename-trinity

Re: kde-trinity pas installable

[Bernard Schoenacker]

Le Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:40:53 +0100,
anto...@starinux.org a écrit :

 Le Monday 09 January 2012 20:33:22 Bernard Schoenacker, vous avez
 écrit :
  Le Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:20:59 +0100,
  ajh.val...@free.fr a écrit :
   Bonsoir à tous,
   Je tente d'installer le bureau kde-trinity sous Debian Squeeze,
   soit via synaptic
  et aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity
   Il me semble que les paquets téléchargés via ce lien :
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/
   et bien ajouter dans le sources.list (4 lignes)
   ne soit pas atteignable ou en panne ...
   J'ai pourtant bien suivi les consignes ici :
   http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian
   Si vous avez une idée, grand merci car je ne suis pas un fan de
   KDE-4. AJH
 
  désolé mais la sytaxe de votre sources.list est en cause ...
  cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
  deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze
  main deb-src
  http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
  deb
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian
  squeeze main deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian
  squeeze main slt bernard
 --
 
 Je dois rajouter sous /etc/apt/ le répertoire sources.list.d
 et y placer le fichier trinity.list ?
 
 Ce n'est pas indiqué dans la doc :
  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian 
 qui indique clairement :
 Add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
 
 Merci d'une précision.
 

bonjour,


merci de ne pas prendre les gens pour des imbéciles du fait que
tu prend tes aises en dénigrant par le biais de certains 
pseudonymes et d'un certain sinistre personnage travaillant
pour les fonctionnaires du côté d'Orléans ...

je prend sur mon temps pour aider les personnes et tu craches
dans la soupe, je pense qu'il faille indiquer que toutes les
questions stupides que tu poses sont présentés sur une autre
liste de difusion à la façon d'un tutoriel ...


ensuite, le fichier trinity.list est à placer dans l'emplacement
ad'hoc indiqué par mes soins et non dans le corps principal ...

Pour mémoire, un système soviétique et monolithique possède
beaucoup d'avantages pour un brontosaure soviétique, mais n'est
pas du tout modulaire ...

slt
bernard

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Re: Trinity site offline?

[Chris Brennan]

On 7/15/2011 10:11 PM, shawn wilson wrote:
 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 

ARIN Direct allocation to Level3 Communications. if they don't know, then
TrinityDesktop.org's dns entries were removed from their DNS Servers for
what ever reason, but it appears it's back online now.


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Trinity site offline?

[Brad Alexander]

I upgraded my daughter's desktop to squeeze, and the last step is to install
Trinity. Unfortunately, the trinitydesktop.org site is not found in
iceweasel, and when I tried to download the key for the repository, I get:

# apt-key adv --keyserver
keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net--recv-keys 2B8638D0
Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring
--secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg
--keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
--keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 2B8638D0
gpg: requesting key 2B8638D0 from hkp server
keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

Is there a problem on the site? Any idea when it will be back online?

Thanks,
--b

Re: Trinity site offline?

[shawn wilson]

if no one on this list knows, i'm sure someone on #trinity-desktop on
irc.freenode knows (though there were only 13 of them). i figure their
hosting service went down since i can't get their ip, google can't
(8.8.8.8) and whoever owns the 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 dns doesn't know
either.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 22:00, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
 I upgraded my daughter's desktop to squeeze, and the last step is to install
 Trinity. Unfortunately, the trinitydesktop.org site is not found in
 iceweasel, and when I tried to download the key for the repository, I get:

 # apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
 --recv-keys 2B8638D0
 Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring
 --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg
 --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
 --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 2B8638D0
 gpg: requesting key 2B8638D0 from hkp server
 keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
 gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
 gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
 gpg: Total number processed: 0

 Is there a problem on the site? Any idea when it will be back online?

 Thanks,
 --b


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Re: Trinity site offline?

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 20:00 -0600, Brad Alexander wrote:
 I upgraded my daughter's desktop to squeeze, and the last step is to
 install Trinity. Unfortunately, the trinitydesktop.org site is not
 found in iceweasel, and when I tried to download the key for the
 repository, I get:
 
 # apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
 --recv-keys 2B8638D0
 Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options
 --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg
 --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
 --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver
 keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 2B8638D0
 gpg: requesting key 2B8638D0 from hkp server
 keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
 gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
 gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
 gpg: Total number processed: 0
 
 Is there a problem on the site? Any idea when it will be back online?
 
 Thanks,
 --b
You can try this for repositories:

deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian squeeze 
main
deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian 
squeeze main



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Trinity and Pearson computing

[Lisi]

Does anyone know what has happened to the Perason website?  And whether the 
repositories at least are findable somewhere else?  

I can't ask on the mailing list, because that appears to have disappeared 
along with everything else.

Lisi


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Re: Trinity and Pearson computing

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:58 +0100, Lisi wrote:
 Does anyone know what has happened to the Perason website?  And whether the 
 repositories at least are findable somewhere else?  
 
 I can't ask on the mailing list, because that appears to have disappeared 
 along with everything else.
 
 Lisi
 
 
Hi, Lisi.  Their systems seem to be in a place vulnerable to very nasty
weather.  That appears to be what has happened. The web site says they
expect to be back up and running on Thursday.

The repositories are mirrored and the mirror is much, much faster.  I
have this in sources.list:

deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian squeeze 
main
deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian 
squeeze main




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why can't I access trinity repo

[deloptes]

I recently updated my firewall rules and since then I can't update from
trinity repo. Is it a coincidence or something is wrong with my firewall
rules?!

Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main Sources
  Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:
Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main amd64 Packages
  Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:
Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main Sources
  Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:
Err http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main amd64 Packages
  Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:
W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg
 
Could not connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:80
(74.84.118.181). - connect (110: Connection timed out)

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian/dists/squeeze/main/i18n/Translation-de.bz2
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian/dists/squeeze/main/i18n/Translation-en.bz2
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/main/i18n/Translation-de.bz2
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/main/i18n/Translation-en.bz2
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources.gz
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources.gz
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

W: Failed to fetch
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
 
Unable to connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:http:

E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones
used instead.











traceroute -p 80 74.84.118.181
traceroute to 74.84.118.181 (74.84.118.181), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.40.1 (192.168.40.1)  0.440 ms  0.603 ms  0.800 ms
 2  * * *
 3  84.116.4.129 (84.116.4.129)  14.874 ms  14.988 ms  15.091 ms
 4  at-vie01a-rd1-vl-2042.aorta.net (84.116.228.125)  136.617 ms  136.719 ms 
118.063 ms
 5  nl-ams05a-rd2-xe-0-1-0.aorta.net (213.46.160.145)  118.288 ms
nl-ams05a-rd2-xe-0-0-1.aorta.net (84.116.130.77)  115.932 ms  116.042 ms
 6  us-nyc01b-rd1-gi-2-0-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.26)  111.126 ms
us-nyc01b-rd1-gi-4-0-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.30)  103.512 ms  114.013 ms
 7  us-nyc01b-ri1-xe-3-1-0.aorta.net (213.46.190.94)  113.675 ms  116.431 ms 
113.741 ms
 8  xe-8-3-0.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.78.164.221)  128.271 ms
xe-4-1-0.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.78.132.93)  128.088 ms
xe-8-3-0.edge1.newyork1.level3.net (4.78.164.221)  126.344 ms
 9  ae-2-79.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.81)  157.279 ms
ae-4-99.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.209)  128.332 ms
ae-1-69.edge3.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.17)  128.556 ms
10  192.205.37.69 (192.205.37.69)  126.611 ms 192.205.37.73 (192.205.37.73) 
128.645 ms  126.360 ms
11  cr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.122.81.126)  142.096 ms  144.040 ms  139.924 ms
12  cr2.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.1.2)  133.258 ms  141.642 ms  141.368 ms
13  cr84.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.7.249)  139.119 ms  139.212 ms  138.887 ms
14  gar5.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.132.97)  137.554 ms  139.559 ms  137.639
ms
15  12-215-0-69.client.mchsi.com (12.215.0.69)  143.013 ms  143.270 ms 
143.102 ms
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wget
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/
--2011-02-16 22:59:45-- 
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/
Resolving ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net... 74.84.118.181
Connecting to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net|74.84.118.181|:80...
failed: Connection timed out.
Retrying.



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Re: why can't I access trinity repo

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 23:02 +0100, deloptes wrote:
 I recently updated my firewall rules and since then I can't update from
 trinity repo. Is it a coincidence or something is wrong with my firewall
 rules?!
snip
There was a problem with that repository today.  The mirrors were
working fine but the main repository was not.  I'm not sure if it has
been fixed yet - John


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Re: why can't I access trinity repo

[deloptes]

John A. Sullivan III wrote:

 On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 23:02 +0100, deloptes wrote:
 I recently updated my firewall rules and since then I can't update from
 trinity repo. Is it a coincidence or something is wrong with my firewall
 rules?!
 snip
 There was a problem with that repository today.  The mirrors were
 working fine but the main repository was not.  I'm not sure if it has
 been fixed yet - John
But his is not just today. It 's beenin the past few days. 

anyway thanks. I knew my question about the fiewall was rhetoric one ;-)

regads


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Re: why can't I access trinity repo

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 23:30 +0100, deloptes wrote:
 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 
  On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 23:02 +0100, deloptes wrote:
  I recently updated my firewall rules and since then I can't update from
  trinity repo. Is it a coincidence or something is wrong with my firewall
  rules?!
  snip
  There was a problem with that repository today.  The mirrors were
  working fine but the main repository was not.  I'm not sure if it has
  been fixed yet - John
 But his is not just today. It 's beenin the past few days. 
 
 anyway thanks. I knew my question about the fiewall was rhetoric one ;-)
 
 regads
 
 
This is from the Trinity mail list:

|  Server down until h/w fixed.  Try this instead:
|  
|  deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze
main
|  deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian
squeeze main
|  deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian
squeeze 
|  main
|  deb-src
http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-builddeps/debian 
|  squeeze main

Another alternative:

deb http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb-src http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity/debian squeeze main
deb http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity-builddeps/debian squeeze main
deb-src http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity-builddeps/debian squeeze main




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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[deloptes]

Jimmy Johnson wrote:

 If you install 'desktop-base' you will get the complete Debian Squeeze
 Theme.
 
 As far as Trinity goes, if you are running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS then Trinity
 works fine, Tim and his helpers are Ubuntu Users and don't know how to
 build Trinity for Debian and that is a big problem, now that Squeeze has
 gone gold maybe a Debian Developer will step-up and build KDE3 for
 Squeeze, in the meantime KDE 4.5.3 from http://qt-kde.debian.net is a
 fantastic desktop, in my opinion, much better than KDE 4.4.

I'm using trinity for few weeks in production and there are no issues with
it. it's just perfect.

I was able to build apps for trinity only from inside kdeveloper, I guess
there are some preconfigured settings for the paths and libs.

As far as I've tested kde4.5 it could still not convince me to move to it.

There are still too many things that are not working well. And not because
debian has older version in the repo, but because the code is still faulty

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[deloptes]

Curt Howland wrote:

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 On Saturday 05 February 2011, mark.goldsht...@gmail.com was heard to
 say:
 Years before I've used to be a KDE 3 user. KDE 4 experiments are
 not in my favorites, so after couple of years with Debian GNOME
 (Lenny mostly), I have decided to check out Trinity Project.
 Well, have no intention to point a finger on somebody or something
 alike but TP seems to be far from that clean and working DE I do
 remember as KDE 3.
 
 You might appreciate this discussion on LXer.com:
 
 http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/31333/
 
 So far, that's the only review of Trinity-DE that I've seen.
 

but this is not related to the topic question

I'm getting splashy connection refused -3

I tried to search on this but could find a solution and as testing is taking
time and reboots I gave it up. I'm still using my custom initrd where
splashy is working

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 09:15:00AM +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
  BTW, .trinity dir is still in my ~/. and took 22.4 Mb of my space.
  Despite of apt-get purge.
 
  The packaging system shouldn't touch files in your home directory, even
  on a purge.
 
 Does that means I may delete all Trinity related content in ~/. manually?

If you don't want it, sure. 

 Sorry asking here, not in Trinity mailing list. Just unsubscribed from there.

No problem, it is more of a Debian question than a Trinity one.

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Jimmy Johnson]

Mark Goldshtein wrote:

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:01:26 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:


On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Camaleón wrote:

I have tried to find background image but do not know name and
location. Wide search brought me nothing.

(...)

You can get it from here:

http://svn.debianart.org/themes/spacefun/



Thank you for an advice!
You are always here, Camaleón, and ready to help, that very supportive.

:-)


offtopic---

As a matter of fact, I killed my Debian installation.

Oh, my... what happened?


The way it happend was simple, I have installed trinity with trivial
command # apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity, so, as it
seems to me, it may be uninstalled with adequate and predictable
command. Obviously, my opinion about what install/uninstall command
means, does not comply with sharp and strict vision of such processes
of trinity creators.

May I ask why did you want to remove Trinity packages? :-?


Years before I've used to be a KDE 3 user. KDE 4 experiments are not
in my favorites, so after couple of years with Debian GNOME (Lenny
mostly), I have decided to check out Trinity Project.
Well, have no intention to point a finger on somebody or something
alike but TP seems to be far from that clean and working DE I do
remember as KDE 3.


Yes, of course, my knowledge of linux systems is very basic and it is
the only reason I have no power to resurrect the system in its glory,
which is, of course, possible for an any advanced padawan.

Trinity has its own mailing list. Maybe, before making any undesiderable
movement, you should have asked there. Anyway, I also find difficult to
play with several desktops (I mean, removing a whole DE is not always as
easy as installing it) :-/



Have done something already. Have uncommented CD-ROM and took
something from there (iwconfig still does not works with WPA key
passphrase?). Now reinstalling GNOME (as I like to think), thank god a
network is up. That goes slowly, about 10 kb/s. Probably, because of
New Release event.

Just another heroical battle with own stupidity and self-created problems.



If you install 'desktop-base' you will get the complete Debian Squeeze 
Theme.


As far as Trinity goes, if you are running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS then Trinity 
works fine, Tim and his helpers are Ubuntu Users and don't know how to 
build Trinity for Debian and that is a big problem, now that Squeeze has 
gone gold maybe a Debian Developer will step-up and build KDE3 for 
Squeeze, in the meantime KDE 4.5.3 from http://qt-kde.debian.net is a 
fantastic desktop, in my opinion, much better than KDE 4.4.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Custom OS - AMD64 - KDE 4.5.3 - EXT4 at sda7
Registered Linux User #380263


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Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Mark Goldshtein]

Hello, list!

Recently, I have installed Trinity (KDE 3 fork) into my Squeeze
laptop. After that, that nice boot picture which accompanying logon
window is gone. Instead, I see acid green-yellow background of high
intensity and extremely eye irritating.

I have tried to find background image but do not know name and
location. Wide search brought me nothing.

Please, help to restore an original background or a new one, full of stars.
Thanks for your time!

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:13:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:

 Recently, I have installed Trinity (KDE 3 fork) into my Squeeze laptop.
 After that, that nice boot picture which accompanying logon window is
 gone. Instead, I see acid green-yellow background of high intensity and
 extremely eye irritating.
 
 I have tried to find background image but do not know name and location.
 Wide search brought me nothing.

(...)

You can get it from here:

http://svn.debianart.org/themes/spacefun/

Greetings,

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Mark Goldshtein]

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:13:37 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:

 Recently, I have installed Trinity (KDE 3 fork) into my Squeeze laptop.
 After that, that nice boot picture which accompanying logon window is
 gone. Instead, I see acid green-yellow background of high intensity and
 extremely eye irritating.

 I have tried to find background image but do not know name and location.
 Wide search brought me nothing.

 (...)

 You can get it from here:

 http://svn.debianart.org/themes/spacefun/


Thank you for an advice!
You are always here, Camaleón, and ready to help, that very supportive.

offtopic---

As a matter of fact, I killed my Debian installation. The way it
happend was simple, I have installed trinity with trivial  command #
apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity, so, as it seems to
me, it may be uninstalled with adequate and predictable command.
Obviously, my opinion about what install/uninstall command means,
does not comply with sharp and strict vision of such processes of
trinity creators. Well, trinity takes with itself into the void my
standard GNOME desktop also.
Yes, of course, my knowledge of linux systems is very basic and it is
the only reason I have no power to resurrect the system in its glory,
which is, of course, possible for an any advanced padawan.

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:01:26 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Camaleón wrote:

 I have tried to find background image but do not know name and
 location. Wide search brought me nothing.

 (...)

 You can get it from here:

 http://svn.debianart.org/themes/spacefun/


 Thank you for an advice!
 You are always here, Camaleón, and ready to help, that very supportive.

:-)

 offtopic---
 
 As a matter of fact, I killed my Debian installation. 

Oh, my... what happened?

 The way it happend was simple, I have installed trinity with trivial 
 command # apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity, so, as it
 seems to me, it may be uninstalled with adequate and predictable
 command. Obviously, my opinion about what install/uninstall command
 means, does not comply with sharp and strict vision of such processes
 of trinity creators.

May I ask why did you want to remove Trinity packages? :-?

 Well, trinity takes with itself into the void my standard GNOME
 desktop also.

Wow...

 Yes, of course, my knowledge of linux systems is very basic and it is
 the only reason I have no power to resurrect the system in its glory,
 which is, of course, possible for an any advanced padawan.

Trinity has its own mailing list. Maybe, before making any undesiderable 
movement, you should have asked there. Anyway, I also find difficult to 
play with several desktops (I mean, removing a whole DE is not always as 
easy as installing it) :-/

Greetings,

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Mark Goldshtein]

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:01:26 +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Camaleón wrote:

 I have tried to find background image but do not know name and
 location. Wide search brought me nothing.

 (...)

 You can get it from here:

 http://svn.debianart.org/themes/spacefun/


 Thank you for an advice!
 You are always here, Camaleón, and ready to help, that very supportive.

 :-)

 offtopic---

 As a matter of fact, I killed my Debian installation.

 Oh, my... what happened?

 The way it happend was simple, I have installed trinity with trivial
 command # apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity, so, as it
 seems to me, it may be uninstalled with adequate and predictable
 command. Obviously, my opinion about what install/uninstall command
 means, does not comply with sharp and strict vision of such processes
 of trinity creators.

 May I ask why did you want to remove Trinity packages? :-?

Years before I've used to be a KDE 3 user. KDE 4 experiments are not
in my favorites, so after couple of years with Debian GNOME (Lenny
mostly), I have decided to check out Trinity Project.
Well, have no intention to point a finger on somebody or something
alike but TP seems to be far from that clean and working DE I do
remember as KDE 3.

 Yes, of course, my knowledge of linux systems is very basic and it is
 the only reason I have no power to resurrect the system in its glory,
 which is, of course, possible for an any advanced padawan.

 Trinity has its own mailing list. Maybe, before making any undesiderable
 movement, you should have asked there. Anyway, I also find difficult to
 play with several desktops (I mean, removing a whole DE is not always as
 easy as installing it) :-/


Have done something already. Have uncommented CD-ROM and took
something from there (iwconfig still does not works with WPA key
passphrase?). Now reinstalling GNOME (as I like to think), thank god a
network is up. That goes slowly, about 10 kb/s. Probably, because of
New Release event.

Just another heroical battle with own stupidity and self-created problems.

-- 
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Mark Goldshtein


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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Curt Howland]

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On Saturday 05 February 2011, mark.goldsht...@gmail.com was heard to 
say:
 Years before I've used to be a KDE 3 user. KDE 4 experiments are
 not in my favorites, so after couple of years with Debian GNOME
 (Lenny mostly), I have decided to check out Trinity Project.
 Well, have no intention to point a finger on somebody or something
 alike but TP seems to be far from that clean and working DE I do
 remember as KDE 3.

You might appreciate this discussion on LXer.com:

http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/31333/

So far, that's the only review of Trinity-DE that I've seen.

Curt-

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Mark Goldshtein]

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 On Saturday 05 February 2011, mark.goldsht...@gmail.com was heard to
 say:
 Years before I've used to be a KDE 3 user. KDE 4 experiments are
 not in my favorites, so after couple of years with Debian GNOME
 (Lenny mostly), I have decided to check out Trinity Project.
 Well, have no intention to point a finger on somebody or something
 alike but TP seems to be far from that clean and working DE I do
 remember as KDE 3.

 You might appreciate this discussion on LXer.com:

 http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/31333/

 So far, that's the only review of Trinity-DE that I've seen.


Thanks, that was interesting reading.

BTW, .trinity dir is still in my ~/. and took 22.4 Mb of my space.
Despite of apt-get purge.

My system has been restored successfully, and boot background is back
also. Quite complicated way to restore a boot background but fine.

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 01:19:15AM +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
 BTW, .trinity dir is still in my ~/. and took 22.4 Mb of my space.
 Despite of apt-get purge.

The packaging system shouldn't touch files in your home directory, even
on a purge.

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Re: Squeeze. After Trinity istall no boot background picture

[Mark Goldshtein]

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Chris Bannister
mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 01:19:15AM +0300, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
 BTW, .trinity dir is still in my ~/. and took 22.4 Mb of my space.
 Despite of apt-get purge.

 The packaging system shouldn't touch files in your home directory, even
 on a purge.

Does that means I may delete all Trinity related content in ~/. manually?

Sorry asking here, not in Trinity mailing list. Just unsubscribed from there.

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squeeze and trinity

[deloptes]

So far I've migrated to squeeze and trinity and I'm in production, means I
use this at work.
Everything works much better than in kde 3.5.9 (lenny).

Few programs needed to be compiled manually as they were missing in trinity.

Evolution with exchange is also working much better, but it still crashes
from time to time. Still for now it recovers without issues.

regards



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Re: squeeze and trinity

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 18:04 +0100, deloptes wrote:
 So far I've migrated to squeeze and trinity and I'm in production, means I
 use this at work.
 Everything works much better than in kde 3.5.9 (lenny).
 
 Few programs needed to be compiled manually as they were missing in trinity.
 
 Evolution with exchange is also working much better, but it still crashes
 from time to time. Still for now it recovers without issues.
 
 regards
 
 
 
We are having similar success.  Very happy with Trinity on Lenny.  We've
migrated a couple of stations to Trinity on Squeeze and are very happy.
For those unfamiliar with it, the URL is
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net 


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Re: lenny - squeeze with trinity

[deloptes]

Mike Bird wrote:

 Please contact me on list or off if I can be of any further
 assistance.

thank you for the compact information.

I'm preparing a trinity on top of squeeze for further use of kde3. One
problem I had was with tora+oracle and the other with kplayer using a dvbt
card. I had to compile the old sources of kplayer with kde3. I could also
build debian packages but not sure about it. anyway I could compile them
only from within kdeveloper. from the command line I've got strange errors.

May be it applies to other apps too.

regards


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lenny - squeeze with trinity

[Brad Alexander]

My wife's machine has been running lenny for a long time, but with
squeeze's imminent release, I decided I needed to make some changes.
The main reason that she is using lenny is that she prefers kde3. So
tonight I upgraded to trinity on her lenny installation. After the
install, I changed the apt.conf to point to squeeze and updated the
trinity repos from

deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian lenny main
deb-src http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/debian lenny main
...

to

deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian
squeeze main
deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian
squeeze main
...

Did an apt-get update (and aptitude update) and tried both an apt-get
dist-upgrade and an aptitude full-upgrade, and both wanted to
deinstall trinity.

Do I need to reboot? Restart X? Anyone seen this behavior?

Thanks,
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Re: lenny - squeeze with trinity

[Mike Bird]

On Mon January 10 2011 17:06:34 Brad Alexander wrote:
 Did an apt-get update (and aptitude update) and tried both an apt-get
 dist-upgrade and an aptitude full-upgrade, and both wanted to
 deinstall trinity.

Hi Brad,

There are a few minor conflicts that can be worked around.
One I recall involves sudo and another involves desktop-base.
After some experimentation we now use sudo-trinity instead of
sudo, but desktop-base instead of desktop-base-trinity.

In order to do this we remove both the desktop-base-trinity
and kde-trinity packages, but we install most or all of their
depends depending upon how much stuff is needed on a particular
workstation.

Some people (including us) have a problem with kdm-trinity,
so we use kdm from KDE 4, which unfortunately brings in some
extra KDE 4 libraries.  We use phonon-backend-null here to avoid
KDE 4 sound drivers.

FWIW, I've appended our trinity seed package list.  We install
all of these --no-recommends except amarok-trinity.  Also if
you want a working ktorrent find an old copy of ktorrent2.2 as
it is still by far the best.

Trinity is well worth the effort.  Our test users love it and
it's improving far faster than KDE 4 (which as of our our last
test a couple of weeks ago STILL can't install a working KMail).

KDE 3.5: 9/10
Trinity: 8/10
KDE 4.4: 2/10

Please contact me on list or off if I can be of any further
assistance.

--Mike Bird


amarok-engine-xine-trinity
amarok-trinity
exiv2-trinity
gwenview-trinity
k3b-trinity
kdeaddons-trinity
kde-core-trinity
kdemultimedia-trinity
kdeutils-trinity
kgamma-trinity
kghostview-trinity
kipi-plugins-trinity
kivio-trinity
klaptopdaemon-trinity
kmail-trinity
knemo-trinity
konversation-trinity
kpdf-trinity
kpowersave-trinity
krita-trinity
kscreensaver-xsavers-trinity
ksnapshot-trinity
kuickshow-trinity
kviewshell-trinity
kview-trinity
kweather-trinity
sudo-trinity

kdm
phonon-backend-null


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KDE 3.5 y KMail (proyecto Trinity)

[Camaleón]

Hola,

Para quien esté interesado, desde el proyecto Trinity¹ (donde siguen 
intentando alargar la vida de KDE 3.5) han iniciado una campaña de 
donativos² (por llamarlo de alguna forma) para corregir uno de los bugs³ 
que más votos debe tener en el bugzilla de KDE y que no parece captar la 
atención de los desarrolladores upstream. 

La idea (por lo que leo) es incluir soporte básico para el formato HTML 
(kde 4 y kde 3.5) en los mensajes. 

Lo pongo aquí por si le interesa a alguien.

¹http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/
²http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/crfe
³https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86423

Saludos,

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Re: KDE 3.5 y KMail (proyecto Trinity)

[Federico Alberto Sayd]

El 21/10/10 09:07, Camaleón escribió:

Hola,

Para quien esté interesado, desde el proyecto Trinity¹ (donde siguen
intentando alargar la vida de KDE 3.5) han iniciado una campaña de
donativos² (por llamarlo de alguna forma) para corregir uno de los bugs³
que más votos debe tener en el bugzilla de KDE y que no parece captar la
atención de los desarrolladores upstream.

La idea (por lo que leo) es incluir soporte básico para el formato HTML
   
HTML en los mensajes?? Justo en esta lista?? Eso puede desencadenar un 
flame de proporciones astronómicas! :-D


No se enojen, es solo una broma. Le voy a echar una mirada.

No sabía eso de Kmail, no lo uso, parece un bug bastante obvio, qué raro 
que no lo hayan solucionado.

(kde 4 y kde 3.5) en los mensajes.

Lo pongo aquí por si le interesa a alguien.

¹http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/
²http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/crfe
³https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86423

Saludos,

   

Saludos!


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Re: KDE 3.5 y KMail (proyecto Trinity)

[Camaleón]

El Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:38:26 -0300, Federico Alberto Sayd escribió:

 El 21/10/10 09:07, Camaleón escribió:
 Hola,

 Para quien esté interesado, desde el proyecto Trinity¹ (donde siguen
 intentando alargar la vida de KDE 3.5) han iniciado una campaña de
 donativos² (por llamarlo de alguna forma) para corregir uno de los
 bugs³ que más votos debe tener en el bugzilla de KDE y que no parece
 captar la atención de los desarrolladores upstream.

 La idea (por lo que leo) es incluir soporte básico para el formato HTML

 HTML en los mensajes?? Justo en esta lista?? Eso puede desencadenar un
 flame de proporciones astronómicas! :-D
 
 No se enojen, es solo una broma. Le voy a echar una mirada.

Je... X-)

Pues ahí reside la potencia/flexibilidad del FLOSS, que te permite tener 
todas las opciones a tu alcance y usar la que prefieras en cada momento.

 No sabía eso de Kmail, no lo uso, parece un bug bastante obvio, qué raro
 que no lo hayan solucionado.

Los DD de KDE piensan que es una feature. Obviamente, no son pocos los 
usuarios que opinan lo contrario.

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Re: trinity

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 17:26 +0200, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
 Hi everybody,
 
 I wish to give a try to Trinity (KDE 3.5 fork) on Squeeze.
 But as I do
  aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity
 it asks me to replace desktop-base  sudo packages with 
 desktop-base-trinity  sudo-trinity.
 
 Have you guy tested it? Is it safe to replace such sensible packages 
 like the sudo one?
 And does anybody know why they forked such packages since they look 
 very low level for a Debian system?
 
 Thanks a lot,
 
 Nicolas.
 
 PS: I have many issues using KDE 4.4.5 including:
   - konsole slowness (improved today but still slower than konsole 
 3.5.x) and mouse cursor bug,
   - missing simple desktop features like alt+f5 (show window list) that 
 seems only to be available when desktop effects are on,
   - kmix/pulseaudio miss understanding regarding sound card channels,
   - missing applets,
   - etc.
 
 
I've been very happy with it and its stability but I am using it on
Lenny and inside a VServer guest so my environment is very different
from yours - John


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Re: trinity

[Nicolas BERCHER]

Hi everybody,

I wish to give a try to Trinity (KDE 3.5 fork) on Squeeze.
But as I do
aptitude install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity
it asks me to replace desktop-base  sudo packages with 
desktop-base-trinity  sudo-trinity.


Have you guy tested it? Is it safe to replace such sensible packages 
like the sudo one?
And does anybody know why they forked such packages since they look 
very low level for a Debian system?


Thanks a lot,

Nicolas.

PS: I have many issues using KDE 4.4.5 including:
 - konsole slowness (improved today but still slower than konsole 
3.5.x) and mouse cursor bug,
 - missing simple desktop features like alt+f5 (show window list) that 
seems only to be available when desktop effects are on,

 - kmix/pulseaudio miss understanding regarding sound card channels,
 - missing applets,
 - etc.


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Re: trinity konqueror

[Jimmy Johnson]

Paul Cartwright wrote:
well, I have the trinity session working fine, but now konqueror doesn't work 
for my gnome session or my wifes regular KDE session ( she never logged out 
after I installed trinity).


when i ran konqueror from the terminal I got this error:

QComboBox::pixmap: (history combo) Index 0 out of range

MC works as does nautilus, but konqueror is now crashing.. for me in gnome..



Hi Paul, I can only sympathize with you, I can't get a lot of
applications to start from the menu, like kuser and synaptic or most
anything I need to run as root.

I had a strong feeling there would be problems, at this time there are
no updates for the Ubuntu version which is working without problems and
no updates for the lenny version, so I can only guess that they are
trying to fix some bugs, I'm sure this is going to be a work in progress
for a longtime, I can only hope it will be as good as the Ubuntu version.

If you need something to use right now you should install the Ubuntu
10.04 version. I have more than 10 Operating Systems on this computer
and only work on the Lenny-Trinity install when I want to.
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Re: trinity konqueror

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 23:00 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Paul Cartwright wrote:
  well, I have the trinity session working fine, but now konqueror doesn't 
  work 
  for my gnome session or my wifes regular KDE session ( she never logged out 
  after I installed trinity).
  
  when i ran konqueror from the terminal I got this error:
  
  QComboBox::pixmap: (history combo) Index 0 out of range
  
  MC works as does nautilus, but konqueror is now crashing.. for me in gnome..
 
 
 Hi Paul, I can only sympathize with you, I can't get a lot of
 applications to start from the menu, like kuser and synaptic or most
 anything I need to run as root.
 
 I had a strong feeling there would be problems, at this time there are
 no updates for the Ubuntu version which is working without problems and
 no updates for the lenny version, so I can only guess that they are
 trying to fix some bugs, I'm sure this is going to be a work in progress
 for a longtime, I can only hope it will be as good as the Ubuntu version.
 
 If you need something to use right now you should install the Ubuntu
 10.04 version. I have more than 10 Operating Systems on this computer
 and only work on the Lenny-Trinity install when I want to.
snip
Strange . . .I've been running it for about a month without those
problems. I do have a few small issues - a dbus error from Beagle
search, some tabs don't work properly in Konqueror as a web browser but
everything fires from the menu just fine.  Of course, in our systems,
there is no root access so I have not tested running anything from the
menu like synaptic - John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Greg Madden]

On Thursday 05 August 2010 14:28:50 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
  On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
   Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
   shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
   https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
  
   If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
   sources.list file:
   deb
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ub
  untu lenny main deb-src
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ub
  untu lenny main deb
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
   main
   deb-src
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
   main
 
  so, if I wanted to install this, I would
  # aptitude install trinity ?

 snip
 I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
 did not.

 Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.

 I use a preferences file such as:

 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-builddeps
 Pin-Priority: 902

 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity
 Pin-Priority: 901

 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin-Priority: 900

 Package: *
 Pin: release a=lenny-backports
 Pin-Priority: 800

 Package: *
 Pin: release a=testing
 Pin-Priority: 700

 Package: rdesktop
 Pin: version 1.6.0-3.1
 Pin-Priority: 1001

FYI, there are packages built for Squeeze also.

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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 04:07 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:54 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 18:28 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
   On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
 shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
 https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity

 If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
 sources.list file:
 deb
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
 lenny main deb-src
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
 lenny main deb
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu 
 lenny
 main
 deb-src
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu 
 lenny
 main

so, if I wanted to install this, I would
# aptitude install trinity ?
   snip
   I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
   did not.
   
   Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
   
   I use a preferences file such as:
  snip
  Very good news! Tim Pearson has the Trinity site back on-line.  As far
  as I know, the packages are available.  trinity.pearsoncomputing.net
  
  I'm sure they can use all the help they can get now that they've added
  support for Debian to the Ubuntu work so now is the time for all those
  who have been clamoring for KDE3 to be preserved to step up :-)
  
  The best of success to you, Tim, and thanks for all the effort - John
  
  
 The public key for the Debian repository is now available:
 apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 
 2B8638D0
 
 
 
Here is the latest update I have from Tim on the rebuild of both the
mail lists and the respository:

OK, all lists are up, including the Trinity ones at
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/

I am working on the startup failure problem now and have isolated it to
kdelibs.

I am guessing that he must have fixed it because I received an email
from Paul Cartwright later saying he was successful in installing
Trinity - John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 14:54 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 18:28 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
   On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
   
If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
sources.list file:
deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
lenny main deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
lenny main deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
main
deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
main
   
   so, if I wanted to install this, I would
   # aptitude install trinity ?
  snip
  I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
  did not.
  
  Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
  
  I use a preferences file such as:
 snip
 Very good news! Tim Pearson has the Trinity site back on-line.  As far
 as I know, the packages are available.  trinity.pearsoncomputing.net
 
 I'm sure they can use all the help they can get now that they've added
 support for Debian to the Ubuntu work so now is the time for all those
 who have been clamoring for KDE3 to be preserved to step up :-)
 
 The best of success to you, Tim, and thanks for all the effort - John
 
 
The public key for the Debian repository is now available:
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 
2B8638D0



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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was-BSOD

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.

 I use a preferences file such as:

installed these packages, and it brought in a BUNCH more *.trinity packages..
tried to log on with trinity-KDE desktop. the KDE pack came up where it 
initializes things. It passed the wheel icon, sat blinking at the hard disk 
icon, then when to a. BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. and nothing.
debian Lenny, updated this morning:
uname -a
Linux paulandcilla.homelinux.org 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 21 05:58:44 UTC 
2010 i686 GNU/Linux



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trinity

[Paul Cartwright]

I installed the trinity apps, per the email, tried to log in, and got hung. So 
I renamed .kde3 .trinity, and lkderc files and tried to log in again. It said 
it completed the initialization, then I got a empty blue screen.
am I missing the desktop manager? menus?
this is basically what I did, and I refreshed the install ( aptitude update) 
after adding these:
 
 Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
 
 I use a preferences file such as:
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-builddeps
 Pin-Priority: 902
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity
 Pin-Priority: 901
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin-Priority: 900
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=lenny-backports
 Pin-Priority: 800
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=testing
 Pin-Priority: 700
 
 Package: rdesktop
 Pin: version 1.6.0-3.1
 Pin-Priority: 1001
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Re: trinity

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 09:31 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 I installed the trinity apps, per the email, tried to log in, and got hung. 
 So 
 I renamed .kde3 .trinity, and lkderc files and tried to log in again. It said 
 it completed the initialization, then I got a empty blue screen.
 am I missing the desktop manager? menus?
 this is basically what I did, and I refreshed the install ( aptitude update) 
 after adding these:
  
  Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
  
  I use a preferences file such as:
  
  Package: *
  Pin: release a=stable
  Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-builddeps
  Pin-Priority: 902
  
  Package: *
  Pin: release a=stable
  Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity
  Pin-Priority: 901
  
  Package: *
  Pin: release a=stable
  Pin-Priority: 900
  
  Package: *
  Pin: release a=lenny-backports
  Pin-Priority: 800
  
  Package: *
  Pin: release a=testing
  Pin-Priority: 700
  
  Package: rdesktop
  Pin: version 1.6.0-3.1
  Pin-Priority: 1001
I'm not sure.  Our installation was very specific as we do not use KDM
and run inside a VServer.  In our case, we set up the preferences and
then installed kde-trinity I believe.  We did not install
desktop-base-trinity because we did not want to pull in all the hardwre
interacting portions in the VServer.  We copied ~/.kde to ~/.trinity so
that we had a backout path, renamed /usr/bin/startkde and then created a
symbolic link named /usr/bin/startkde to the trinity startkde script. We
then restarted the vserver. That worked pretty cleanly for us although I
believe I needed to do an apt-get -f to bring in all the support
libraries.

You might want to post on the Trinity mailing list or support site to
see what the Trinity team has to say.  Good luck and let us know how you
fare - John


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Re: trinity

[Jimmy Johnson]

Paul Cartwright wrote:
I installed the trinity apps, per the email, tried to log in, and got hung. So 
I renamed .kde3 .trinity, and lkderc files and tried to log in again. It said 
it completed the initialization, then I got a empty blue screen.



Just so you don't feel along, I have the same thing going on, I'm going 
to let it set for a day or two and see if the upgrades slow down and/or 
we get a fix.

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Re: trinity

[Jimmy Johnson]

John A. Sullivan III wrote:


You might want to post on the Trinity mailing list or support site to
see what the Trinity team has to say.  Good luck and let us know how you
fare - John



I tried to get on the mailing list a few times and my email bounced, 
also, I get 404 when I try to browse the mailing list archive, I emailed 
Tim Pearson but got no reply. !?!

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Re: trinity

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:17 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 
  You might want to post on the Trinity mailing list or support site to
  see what the Trinity team has to say.  Good luck and let us know how you
  fare - John
 
 
 I tried to get on the mailing list a few times and my email bounced, 
 also, I get 404 when I try to browse the mailing list archive, I emailed 
 Tim Pearson but got no reply. !?!
snip
 
It's possible that part of the system has not yet been recovered.  When
he finally resurfaced yesterday, I asked if he had received my emails
and he replied that the company he paid to store them while he was down
mystically lost them before he had restored his email server :-(

I'll pass this along to him as we're still working pretty closely on the
Kontact improvements.  Thanks - John


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Re: trinity

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:08 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Paul Cartwright wrote:
  I installed the trinity apps, per the email, tried to log in, and got hung. 
  So 
  I renamed .kde3 .trinity, and lkderc files and tried to log in again. It 
  said 
  it completed the initialization, then I got a empty blue screen.
 
 
 Just so you don't feel along, I have the same thing going on, I'm going 
 to let it set for a day or two and see if the upgrades slow down and/or 
 we get a fix.
snip
Yes, it looks like the repositories have not been fully rebuilt.  I just
received the following from Tim:

The archive/installation issues are known as they are currently being
rebuilt from SVN; I expect those problems to be resolved within the next
day or so as the new packages build.

Thanks for keeping me informed of the issues!



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Re: trinity

[Jimmy Johnson]

John A. Sullivan III wrote:

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:17 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

John A. Sullivan III wrote:


You might want to post on the Trinity mailing list or support site to
see what the Trinity team has to say.  Good luck and let us know how you
fare - John


I tried to get on the mailing list a few times and my email bounced, 
also, I get 404 when I try to browse the mailing list archive, I emailed 
Tim Pearson but got no reply. !?!

snip
It's possible that part of the system has not yet been recovered.  When
he finally resurfaced yesterday, I asked if he had received my emails
and he replied that the company he paid to store them while he was down
mystically lost them before he had restored his email server :-(

I'll pass this along to him as we're still working pretty closely on the
Kontact improvements.  Thanks - John



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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 18:28 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
  On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
   Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
   shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
   https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
  
   If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
   sources.list file:
   deb
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
   lenny main deb-src
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
   lenny main deb
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
   main
   deb-src
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
   main
  
  so, if I wanted to install this, I would
  # aptitude install trinity ?
 snip
 I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
 did not.
 
 Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
 
 I use a preferences file such as:
snip
Very good news! Tim Pearson has the Trinity site back on-line.  As far
as I know, the packages are available.  trinity.pearsoncomputing.net

I'm sure they can use all the help they can get now that they've added
support for Debian to the Ubuntu work so now is the time for all those
who have been clamoring for KDE3 to be preserved to step up :-)

The best of success to you, Tim, and thanks for all the effort - John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 18:23 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:41 +0100, Lisi wrote:
  On Wednesday 04 August 2010 14:34:00 Lisi wrote:
  On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
  Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User
  How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in 
  Ubuntu?
 
  I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have to
  abandom Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.
  I see that .debs for Debian are well on the way, but have been held up by 
  the 
  massive blowout at Pearson Computing. :-(
 
 
  Indeed - I am experimenting with Trinity on Lenny as a Debian repository
  and full replacement for KDE3.  It is mostly working well.  Kontact is
  largely fixed and 95% working with Zimbra.  There are a few glitches
  that I suspect will be quickly remedied as soon as Pearson Computing's
  build farm comes back on line but I think we will have a Debian KDE3
  option relatively soon - John
 
 
 Thanks John, the last time I looked I didn't see a port for Debian, I'm 
 off to find the repos, if you have a link please post it. :-)
Sure - here is a note from Tim Pearson:

Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity

If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
sources.list file:
deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu 
lenny main 
deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu 
lenny main 
deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu
lenny main 
deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
main

I believe the repositories are currently down while he awaits the last
of the replacements for the fired power conditioning system.

It does honor any KDEDIRS and XDG_DATA_DIRS settings for users operating
in Kiosk mode like we are.

Another note from Tim:
If you install KDE3 and Trinity side-by-side, remember to select Trinity
from the Sessions menu in KDM before logging in, otherwise you will get
a stock KDE3 session.

For those not using KDM (e.g., we do not in our X2Go environment-
another great project - http://www.x2go.org), simply point
at /opt/trinity/bin/startkde instead of /usr/bin/startkde  The start
script will handle the rest.

To enable side by side installations, Trinity stores everything
in /opt/trinity.  It also stores user configuration in ~/.trinity
instead of ~/.kde so, if you want to maintain your configuration, you
will need to copy the .kde contents into .trinity.

In my case, I had to do an apt-get -f in order to properly pull in the
builddeps - I believe the various kdelibs packages. That could be
because of our someone unusual vserver/x2go environment.

Hope this helps and, again, Tim seems to be putting in countless hours
and lots of personal funds to do this and can use all the good help he
can get (I assume) - John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Jimmy Johnson]

John A. Sullivan III wrote:


Sure - here is a note from Tim Pearson:

Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity

If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
sources.list file:
deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu lenny main 
deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu lenny main 
deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu
lenny main 
deb-src

http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
main

I believe the repositories are currently down while he awaits the last
of the replacements for the fired power conditioning system.

It does honor any KDEDIRS and XDG_DATA_DIRS settings for users operating
in Kiosk mode like we are.

Another note from Tim:
If you install KDE3 and Trinity side-by-side, remember to select Trinity
from the Sessions menu in KDM before logging in, otherwise you will get
a stock KDE3 session.

For those not using KDM (e.g., we do not in our X2Go environment-
another great project - http://www.x2go.org), simply point
at /opt/trinity/bin/startkde instead of /usr/bin/startkde  The start
script will handle the rest.

To enable side by side installations, Trinity stores everything
in /opt/trinity.  It also stores user configuration in ~/.trinity
instead of ~/.kde so, if you want to maintain your configuration, you
will need to copy the .kde contents into .trinity.

In my case, I had to do an apt-get -f in order to properly pull in the
builddeps - I believe the various kdelibs packages. That could be
because of our someone unusual vserver/x2go environment.

Hope this helps and, again, Tim seems to be putting in countless hours
and lots of personal funds to do this and can use all the good help he
can get (I assume) - John



Except for http://www.x2go.org I'm getting 404 on all the trinity links. :-(
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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 12:43 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 
  Sure - here is a note from Tim Pearson:
  
  Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
  shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
  https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
  
  If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
  sources.list file:
  deb
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu 
  lenny main 
  deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu 
  lenny main 
  deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu
  lenny main 
  deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
  main
  
  I believe the repositories are currently down while he awaits the last
  of the replacements for the fired power conditioning system.
  
  It does honor any KDEDIRS and XDG_DATA_DIRS settings for users operating
  in Kiosk mode like we are.
  
  Another note from Tim:
  If you install KDE3 and Trinity side-by-side, remember to select Trinity
  from the Sessions menu in KDM before logging in, otherwise you will get
  a stock KDE3 session.
  
  For those not using KDM (e.g., we do not in our X2Go environment-
  another great project - http://www.x2go.org), simply point
  at /opt/trinity/bin/startkde instead of /usr/bin/startkde  The start
  script will handle the rest.
  
  To enable side by side installations, Trinity stores everything
  in /opt/trinity.  It also stores user configuration in ~/.trinity
  instead of ~/.kde so, if you want to maintain your configuration, you
  will need to copy the .kde contents into .trinity.
  
  In my case, I had to do an apt-get -f in order to properly pull in the
  builddeps - I believe the various kdelibs packages. That could be
  because of our someone unusual vserver/x2go environment.
  
  Hope this helps and, again, Tim seems to be putting in countless hours
  and lots of personal funds to do this and can use all the good help he
  can get (I assume) - John
 
 
 Except for http://www.x2go.org I'm getting 404 on all the trinity links. :-(
snip
Yes, that's because he has the systems down until he can rebuild the
fried power conditioning system. Hopefully, they will be back up soon -
John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
 shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
 https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity

 If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
 sources.list file:
 deb
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
 lenny main deb-src
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
 lenny main deb
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
 main
 deb-src
 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
 main

so, if I wanted to install this, I would
# aptitude install trinity ?


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Jimmy Johnson]

John A. Sullivan III wrote:

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 12:43 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:



Except for http://www.x2go.org I'm getting 404 on all the trinity links. :-(




Yes, that's because he has the systems down until he can rebuild the
fried power conditioning system. Hopefully, they will be back up soon -




Thanks, John

I check this group Often, maybe you can post a heads-up when it gets 
back on line or some other status change.


Thanks again. :-)
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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Jimmy Johnson]

Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:

Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
shot? ;-) Â Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity

If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
sources.list file:
deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
lenny main deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
lenny main deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
main
deb-src
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
main




so, if I wanted to install this, I would
# aptitude install trinity ?



Personally I would use Synaptic so I can see what packages are
available, it could be 'kde-3-desktop' or 'trinity-desktop', john may be
of more help.
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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Lisi]

On Thursday 05 August 2010 22:32:13 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Paul Cartwright wrote:
  On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
  shot? ;-) Â Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
  https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
 
  If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
  sources.list file:
  deb
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubu
 ntu lenny main deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubu
 ntu lenny main deb
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
  main
  deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
  main
 
  so, if I wanted to install this, I would
  # aptitude install trinity ?

 Personally I would use Synaptic so I can see what packages are
 available, it could be 'kde-3-desktop' or 'trinity-desktop', john may be
 of more help.

Paul -

I think it likely that Trinity will be somewhere in the name, so I would use:
$ aptitude search trinity

Then
# aptitude install package name or names found thereby

I am going to be away for a couple of weeks.  Once I am back, then as soon as 
it is available I shall be trying to install Trinity using this method.  I'll 
let you know how I get on.

Lisi


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
 On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
  shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
  https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
 
  If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
  sources.list file:
  deb
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
  lenny main deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
  lenny main deb
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
  main
  deb-src
  http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
  main
 
 so, if I wanted to install this, I would
 # aptitude install trinity ?
snip
I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
did not.

Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.

I use a preferences file such as:

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-builddeps
Pin-Priority: 902

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity
Pin-Priority: 901

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 900

Package: *
Pin: release a=lenny-backports
Pin-Priority: 800

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 700

Package: rdesktop
Pin: version 1.6.0-3.1
Pin-Priority: 1001



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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 18:28 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 16:34 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
  On Thu August 5 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
   Trinity is already compiled for Debian Lenny, so why not give it a
   shot? ;-)  Here is the package list with buildlogs/status/etc.:
   https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity
  
   If you want to use the repository, just add these lines to your
   sources.list file:
   deb
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
   lenny main deb-src
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu
   lenny main deb
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
   main
   deb-src
   http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu lenny
   main
  
  so, if I wanted to install this, I would
  # aptitude install trinity ?
 snip
 I'm sorry; I thought I had included that in my previous post but I see I
 did not.
 
 Install desktop-base-trinity, kdebase-trinity, and kdepim-trinity.
 
 I use a preferences file such as:
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-builddeps
 Pin-Priority: 902
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin: release o=LP-PPA-trinity-trinity
 Pin-Priority: 901
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=stable
 Pin-Priority: 900
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=lenny-backports
 Pin-Priority: 800
 
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=testing
 Pin-Priority: 700
 
 Package: rdesktop
 Pin: version 1.6.0-3.1
 Pin-Priority: 1001
 
 
 
I should mention that the kdepim now has full-fledged CalDAV and CardDAV
support.  We use this for using Zimbra as a backend but I'm sure it will
come in handy for other backends as well.  As far as I know, there are
not that many true CardDAV implementations out there.  Most are still
doing WebDAV - John


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Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User

How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in Ubuntu?

I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have to 
abandom Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.

Lisi



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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 04 August 2010 14:34:00 Lisi wrote:
 On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
  Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User

 How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in Ubuntu?

 I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have to
 abandom Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.

I see that .debs for Debian are well on the way, but have been held up by the 
massive blowout at Pearson Computing. :-(

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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:41 +0100, Lisi wrote:
 On Wednesday 04 August 2010 14:34:00 Lisi wrote:
  On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
   Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User
 
  How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in Ubuntu?
 
  I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have to
  abandom Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.
 
 I see that .debs for Debian are well on the way, but have been held up by the 
 massive blowout at Pearson Computing. :-(
 
 Lisi
 
 
Indeed - I am experimenting with Trinity on Lenny as a Debian repository
and full replacement for KDE3.  It is mostly working well.  Kontact is
largely fixed and 95% working with Zimbra.  There are a few glitches
that I suspect will be quickly remedied as soon as Pearson Computing's
build farm comes back on line but I think we will have a Debian KDE3
option relatively soon - John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 04 August 2010 18:47:04 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:41 +0100, Lisi wrote:
  On Wednesday 04 August 2010 14:34:00 Lisi wrote:
   On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User
  
   How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in
   Ubuntu?
  
   I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have
   to abandon Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.
 
  I see that .debs for Debian are well on the way, but have been held up by
  the massive blowout at Pearson Computing. :-(
 
  Lisi

 Indeed - I am experimenting with Trinity on Lenny as a Debian repository
 and full replacement for KDE3.  It is mostly working well.  Kontact is
 largely fixed and 95% working with Zimbra.  There are a few glitches
 that I suspect will be quickly remedied as soon as Pearson Computing's
 build farm comes back on line but I think we will have a Debian KDE3
 option relatively soon - John

Am I allowed to say yippee? \o/ \o/  :-))

I wish I could be of some use in this.  As it is, all I can do is cheer on 
those of you who are doing the work!

If I am wrong, and there _is_ something I could do, please say. :-)

Lisi


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 20:02 +0100, Lisi wrote:
 On Wednesday 04 August 2010 18:47:04 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:41 +0100, Lisi wrote:
   On Wednesday 04 August 2010 14:34:00 Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User
   
How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in
Ubuntu?
   
I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have
to abandon Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.
  
   I see that .debs for Debian are well on the way, but have been held up by
   the massive blowout at Pearson Computing. :-(
  
   Lisi
 
  Indeed - I am experimenting with Trinity on Lenny as a Debian repository
  and full replacement for KDE3.  It is mostly working well.  Kontact is
  largely fixed and 95% working with Zimbra.  There are a few glitches
  that I suspect will be quickly remedied as soon as Pearson Computing's
  build farm comes back on line but I think we will have a Debian KDE3
  option relatively soon - John
 
 Am I allowed to say yippee? \o/ \o/  :-))
 
 I wish I could be of some use in this.  As it is, all I can do is cheer on 
 those of you who are doing the work!
 
 If I am wrong, and there _is_ something I could do, please say. :-)
 
 Lisi
 
 
You certainly can :-))

Regarding how to help - that would be a good question to ask Tim Pearson
(http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/).  I'm sure he could use any
financial help no matter how small to pay for the extensive damage they
sustained.  I'm also pretty certain they can use help testing the Debian
repository to work out any quirks in the port from Ubuntu.  And, of
course, keep spreading the word - John

PS - if anyone know why beagle would provoke a d-buss not accessible
error (cannot run with parameter --icon when session dbus is not
available), that would help as it is one of the small remaining items on
the punch list - John


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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:55:07 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 Regarding how to help - that would be a good question to ask Tim Pearson
 (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/).  

I already have - he hasn't so far contacted me.

 I'm sure he could use any 
 financial help no matter how small to pay for the extensive damage they
 sustained. 

Again, I already have previously - and would have done immediately earlier 
this evening, but I need to research how to use the link he provided.  I 
shall do so as soon as I have sent this.

 I'm also pretty certain they can use help testing the Debian 
 repository to work out any quirks in the port from Ubuntu. 

The question is whether I could do enough to be helpful - I am not very 
knowledgeable/skillful.  But I am certainly willing.

 And, of 
 course, keep spreading the word - John

That I do too!  Whenever and wherever I can.

Lisi



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Re: Trinity KDE 3.5.11 was Re: How to use two displaies

[Jimmy Johnson]

Lisi wrote:

On Wednesday 04 August 2010 11:02:52 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

Trinity KDE 3.5.11 [snip] User


How are you getting on with it?  Does it have full functionality in Ubuntu?

I am watching with interest.  I am hoping that, by the time that I have to 
abandom Lenny, Trinity will have a deb. that I can use in Squeeze.



I hope Guo don't mind us hijacking his tread? :-P

I've been running it about 3 months now and it's the best kde3 out 
there, both Mepis and Lenny have transparent panel problems that have 
been fixed trinity, I did have couple icon problems on the 
quicklauncher, reloading the icons in the menu fixed that problem, a 
little background, as a Linux tester I was at the kde4 lunch/party in 
Santa Clara and have been running kde4 since and personally I think it's 
a pain in the ass, I run dual display and I never know where a new 
window will pop up and if I resize a window and grab it and move it the 
window will jump to maximized, I then have resize it and right click on 
the application in the tray and choose move to put the window where I 
want it, kde4 is just an irritating desktop manager to use, nothing 
seems irritating about trinity kde3, plus I'm running it on 8.04 LTS, 
just seems to be a rock solid system, I too wish trinity was ported for 
Debian, I've been a Debian user for over eight years, but anything 
Debian is better than something else.


I also have installs of Fedora, Mandriva and Suse, plus some other 
systems, I like to see what the other guy is doing, as a matter of fact 
if someone afraid of Linux but wanted to give it a try, there's an XP 
clone that looks just like windows called Ylmf_OS_3.0 it looks and 
feels like windows with the best configured Gnome desktop I've ever 
seen, it's also a ubuntu clone.


Anyways, yes, Trinity is a good thing. :-)
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Ubuntu Lucid and Trinity KDE 3.5.11 - EXT4 at sda10
Registered Linux User #380263


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