Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On Sat 02 May 2015 at 06:47:33 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. If you are curious enough you could remove dbus and reboot. journalctl should have a line Starting getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. Prior to that there are a bunch of services started. What you experienced seems like a bug. Maybe there is some clue in the journal. I did: `apt-get remove dbus', rebooted and the problem was there again with tty2,...,tty6. Then I did `journalctl | grep getty' but that output nothing at all. In journalctl output there are many `Failed to start Login Service' messages. What do you get for ls -l /lib/systemd/system/getty* ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/02052015115059.cac8e9e05...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sat 02 May 2015 at 12:28:01 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sat 02 May 2015 at 06:47:33 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. If you are curious enough you could remove dbus and reboot. journalctl should have a line Starting getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. Prior to that there are a bunch of services started. What you experienced seems like a bug. Maybe there is some clue in the journal. I did: `apt-get remove dbus', rebooted and the problem was there again with tty2,...,tty6. Then I did `journalctl | grep getty' but that output nothing at all. In journalctl output there are many `Failed to start Login Service' messages. What do you get for ls -l /lib/systemd/system/getty* ? Here's the output: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1536 Dec 5 10:21 /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 460 Dec 5 10:21 /lib/systemd/system/getty.target /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service is missing. What ISO did you use to install Jessie? Dec 5 indicates it was jessie-DI-rc1, which is now obsolete. Yes, it is, precisely debian-jessie-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso. Is there now some other iso? Maybe at the time of that older iso the bug you talked about was not fixed yet? Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871tizcdi3@gmail.com
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sat 02 May 2015 at 06:47:33 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. If you are curious enough you could remove dbus and reboot. journalctl should have a line Starting getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. Prior to that there are a bunch of services started. What you experienced seems like a bug. Maybe there is some clue in the journal. I did: `apt-get remove dbus', rebooted and the problem was there again with tty2,...,tty6. Then I did `journalctl | grep getty' but that output nothing at all. In journalctl output there are many `Failed to start Login Service' messages. What do you get for ls -l /lib/systemd/system/getty* ? Here's the output: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1536 Dec 5 10:21 /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 460 Dec 5 10:21 /lib/systemd/system/getty.target Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87a8xn88q6@gmail.com
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On Sat 02 May 2015 at 12:28:01 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sat 02 May 2015 at 06:47:33 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. If you are curious enough you could remove dbus and reboot. journalctl should have a line Starting getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. Prior to that there are a bunch of services started. What you experienced seems like a bug. Maybe there is some clue in the journal. I did: `apt-get remove dbus', rebooted and the problem was there again with tty2,...,tty6. Then I did `journalctl | grep getty' but that output nothing at all. In journalctl output there are many `Failed to start Login Service' messages. What do you get for ls -l /lib/systemd/system/getty* ? Here's the output: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1536 Dec 5 10:21 /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 460 Dec 5 10:21 /lib/systemd/system/getty.target /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service is missing. What ISO did you use to install Jessie? Dec 5 indicates it was jessie-DI-rc1, which is now obsolete. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150502125425.gi3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On Sat 02 May 2015 at 13:31:16 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service is missing. What ISO did you use to install Jessie? Dec 5 indicates it was jessie-DI-rc1, which is now obsolete. Yes, it is, precisely debian-jessie-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso. Is there now some other iso? Maybe at the time of that older iso the bug you talked about was not fixed yet? There has been an rc-2, rc-3 and a final one. I think everyone, including me, thought your fresh install of Jessie was done from the the final one and couldn't understand why your ttys were not activated at boottime. :) No need to reinstall; just update and dist-upgrade what you have. dbus may be purged if the you want; getty-static.service will sort out ttys for you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/02052015143307.3fcdd987a...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Sat 02 May 2015 at 13:31:16 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service is missing. What ISO did you use to install Jessie? Dec 5 indicates it was jessie-DI-rc1, which is now obsolete. Yes, it is, precisely debian-jessie-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso. Is there now some other iso? Maybe at the time of that older iso the bug you talked about was not fixed yet? There has been an rc-2, rc-3 and a final one. I think everyone, including me, thought your fresh install of Jessie was done from the the final one and couldn't understand why your ttys were not activated at boottime. :) Sorry... :-) No need to reinstall; just update and dist-upgrade what you have. dbus may be purged if the you want; getty-static.service will sort out ttys for you. Thanks. Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87mw1nawvc@gmail.com
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. If you are curious enough you could remove dbus and reboot. journalctl should have a line Starting getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. Prior to that there are a bunch of services started. What you experienced seems like a bug. Maybe there is some clue in the journal. I did: `apt-get remove dbus', rebooted and the problem was there again with tty2,...,tty6. Then I did `journalctl | grep getty' but that output nothing at all. In journalctl output there are many `Failed to start Login Service' messages. Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87d22jzda2@gmail.com
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. If you are curious enough you could remove dbus and reboot. journalctl should have a line Starting getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. Prior to that there are a bunch of services started. What you experienced seems like a bug. Maybe there is some clue in the journal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01052015233025.ec19c8af6...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
Hi all. After freshly installing Debian Jessie on my old laptop, with no graphical environment yet, at prompt, only tty1 is present: if I press Alt-F2, Alt-F3 and so on, there's no prompt at all, no tty2, tty3, etc. Is that normal? Thanks, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87bni4cnjr@gmail.com
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On 2015-05-01 17:42 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: After freshly installing Debian Jessie on my old laptop, with no graphical environment yet, at prompt, only tty1 is present: if I press Alt-F2, Alt-F3 and so on, there's no prompt at all, no tty2, tty3, etc. Is that normal? No, only a short delay before the login prompt appears is to be expected since systemd starts gettys by demand. But that should hardly be noticeable. After you switched to tty2 and back to tty1, what does systemctl status getty@tty2.service print? Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87r3r0mdvx@turtle.gmx.de
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
Also, since you're using a laptop, have you tried Alt+Fn+F2? On May 1, 2015 3:15 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 01 May 2015 at 16:42:00 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: After freshly installing Debian Jessie on my old laptop, with no graphical environment yet, at prompt, only tty1 is present: if I press Alt-F2, Alt-F3 and so on, there's no prompt at all, no tty2, tty3, etc. Is that normal? No, it is not normal. As Sven Joachim says, activation of a tty is on demand and almost instantaneous. There were bugs relating to the behaviour you describe but they have been attended to. Please see the systemd bug record. What do you get for dpkg -l dbus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150501181524.gg3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On 2015-05-01 17:42 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: After freshly installing Debian Jessie on my old laptop, with no graphical environment yet, at prompt, only tty1 is present: if I press Alt-F2, Alt-F3 and so on, there's no prompt at all, no tty2, tty3, etc. Is that normal? Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: No, only a short delay before the login prompt appears is to be expected since systemd starts gettys by demand. But that should hardly be noticeable. After you switched to tty2 and back to tty1, what does systemctl status getty@tty2.service print? Here's the output: ● getty@tty2.service - Getty on tty2 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) Docs: man:agetty(8) man:systemd-getty-generator(8) http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: No, it is not normal. As Sven Joachim says, activation of a tty is on demand and almost instantaneous. There were bugs relating to the behaviour you describe but they have been attended to. Please see the systemd bug record. What do you get for dpkg -l dbus Here's the output: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-==---= un dbus none none (no description available) Francisco M Neto fmn...@gmail.com writes: Also, since you're using a laptop, have you tried Alt+Fn+F2? It produces no effect. Thanks all for your help. The problem disappeared once I did `apt-get install dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. Cheers, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87k2wsuj7b@gmail.com
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On Fri 01 May 2015 at 16:42:00 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: After freshly installing Debian Jessie on my old laptop, with no graphical environment yet, at prompt, only tty1 is present: if I press Alt-F2, Alt-F3 and so on, there's no prompt at all, no tty2, tty3, etc. Is that normal? No, it is not normal. As Sven Joachim says, activation of a tty is on demand and almost instantaneous. There were bugs relating to the behaviour you describe but they have been attended to. Please see the systemd bug record. What do you get for dpkg -l dbus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150501181524.gg3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On Fri 01 May 2015 at 20:38:32 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote: On 2015-05-01 17:42 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: After freshly installing Debian Jessie on my old laptop, with no graphical environment yet, at prompt, only tty1 is present: if I press Alt-F2, Alt-F3 and so on, there's no prompt at all, no tty2, tty3, etc. Is that normal? Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: No, only a short delay before the login prompt appears is to be expected since systemd starts gettys by demand. But that should hardly be noticeable. After you switched to tty2 and back to tty1, what does systemctl status getty@tty2.service print? Here's the output: ● getty@tty2.service - Getty on tty2 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) Docs: man:agetty(8) man:systemd-getty-generator(8) http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html Not good. No service running; no service will be given. Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: No, it is not normal. As Sven Joachim says, activation of a tty is on demand and almost instantaneous. There were bugs relating to the behaviour you describe but they have been attended to. Please see the systemd bug record. What do you get for dpkg -l dbus Here's the output: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-==---= un dbus none none (no description available) That is what one would expect with a minimal install. Francisco M Neto fmn...@gmail.com writes: Also, since you're using a laptop, have you tried Alt+Fn+F2? It produces no effect. Thanks all for your help. The problem disappeared once I did `apt-get install dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? I'm curious now. dbus cures the problem but it is one which doesn't occur for me with a straightforward minimal install. Pass on the cause. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01052015220618.985ec835c...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tty2,tty3,... missing after fresh install
On 2015-05-01 22:38 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: After you switched to tty2 and back to tty1, what does systemctl status getty@tty2.service print? Here's the output: ● getty@tty2.service - Getty on tty2 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) That's bad, but I don't know why it happened. Thanks all for your help. The problem disappeared once I did `apt-get install dbus'. Before I put `solved' to the thread, what do you think was the cause? Bug #772700 seems to be related. Apparently the fix which was made in systemd 215-12 , | * Add getty-static.service unit which starts getty@.service on tty 2 to 6 if | dbus is not installed, and hence logind cannot auto-start them on demand. | (Closes: #772700) ` did not quite work for you, for whatever reason. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87h9rwm1x1@turtle.gmx.de
