Re: Re: visual c++ equivalent

[belahcene]

There are more interfaces on linux ( Unix-like) GUI for C++.
Glade on gnome desktop ( but depends on gnome) , but there is a very 
good open source ( multi platformes) software, very simple to use and to 
learn see http://www.fltk.org
best regards
bela

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Michal R. Hoffmann]

On 15-12-2004 20:45,H. S. wrote:
> Apparently, _Mason Loring Bliss_, on 15/12/04 14:30,typed:
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:13:28PM -0500, H. S. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> However, I believe that the GUI that MS has given to the masses has
>>> played a very beneficial role in the GUI development in Unix/Linux
>>> world.
>>
>>
>>
>> To credit Microsoft with this is unfortunate and incorrect.
>>
>> Credit Apple with bringing the GUI to the desktop. They released the Lisa
>> in 1983, and then the Macintosh 128K in 1984, which was immediately
>> popular.
>> Microsoft release Windows 1.0 near the end of 1985. Windows did not
>> become
>> popular until version 3.1, which was released in October of *1992*.
>>
[cut]
> 
> I never said MS "invented" the GUI, only that it made it so widely
> available (by hook or by crook).

I'd rather say they've "stolen" the GUI idea ;-) Watch the "Pirates from
the Silicon Valley" movie - a nice, easy film of the beginning of Apple
and MS :)

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 14:45 -0500, H. S. wrote:
> Apparently, _Mason Loring Bliss_, on 15/12/04 14:30,typed:
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:13:28PM -0500, H. S. wrote:
> > 
[snip]
> computers in the 90's, MS based did. The ubiquitousness plus the ease of 
> use made many new users realized that the computer world need not be 

You've never seen a rank novice stare at a mouse before, have you,
while listening to someone prattle on about drag-n-drop, or "click 
on", have you?

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Mason Loring Bliss_, on 15/12/04 14:30,typed:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:13:28PM -0500, H. S. wrote:

However, I believe that the GUI that MS has given to the masses has 
played a very beneficial role in the GUI development in Unix/Linux 
world.

To credit Microsoft with this is unfortunate and incorrect.
Credit Apple with bringing the GUI to the desktop. They released the Lisa
in 1983, and then the Macintosh 128K in 1984, which was immediately popular.
Microsoft release Windows 1.0 near the end of 1985. Windows did not become
popular until version 3.1, which was released in October of *1992*.
That is true. And, yes, I do know about Apple and Xerox introducing the 
GUI concept before MS ever started using it. But I was stressing towards 
the point that MS made the GUI ubiquitous. Apples never became household 
computers in the 90's, MS based did. The ubiquitousness plus the ease of 
use made many new users realized that the computer world need not be 
limited to the CLI. True, somebody else invented the GUI stuff, but it 
is MS which made is so popular. GUI, click and work, auto detection of 
hardware, all these factors are which are so pushing these things in the 
Linux and Unix world (not that lessens the power of CLI or that it 
should be made obsolete mind you).

I never said MS "invented" the GUI, only that it made it so widely 
available (by hook or by crook).

->HS
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Mason Loring Bliss]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:13:28PM -0500, H. S. wrote:

> However, I believe that the GUI that MS has given to the masses has 
> played a very beneficial role in the GUI development in Unix/Linux 
> world.

To credit Microsoft with this is unfortunate and incorrect.

Credit Apple with bringing the GUI to the desktop. They released the Lisa
in 1983, and then the Macintosh 128K in 1984, which was immediately popular.
Microsoft release Windows 1.0 near the end of 1985. Windows did not become
popular until version 3.1, which was released in October of *1992*.

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Mateusz Łoskot]

User H. S. wrote::
Mateusz Łoskot wrote:
"Don't regret and use command line!!!" ;-)))
However, I believe that the GUI that MS has given to the masses has 
played a very beneficial role in the GUI development in Unix/Linux 
world. 
Certainly, I agree.
Simply, I can not understand why Microsoft does not provides users
with some nice command line together with such great GUI.
But I don't want to talk about this anymore on this list ;-)
Debian is great and I'm very glad I can make my choice to use it.
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[H. S.]

Mateusz Łoskot wrote:
User Micha Feigin wrote::
And if you are interested even Microsoft themselves don't use visual. 
The whole
tool chain for windows is command line (I think it is proprietary 
though).

Yeah, right, but Microsoft thinks that people/developers
are idiots and will use mouse-clicks as the best
computer usage, so Microsoft does not provide us
with a minimal set of features in its command line like
i.e. words completion.
Microsoft gives us terrible command line and forces us
to use "stupid" and slow mouse clicks ;-)))
"Don't regret and use command line!!!" ;-)))
Greets
However, I believe that the GUI that MS has given to the masses has 
played a very beneficial role in the GUI development in Unix/Linux 
world. Without demand for GUI applications, sys admins would still be 
bullying poor normal users into using cmd line tools *only* without 
giving them GUI *options*.

Although I do not use Windows, but I believe the two good things it has 
done are a) make a GUI so ubiquitous (and in a way increase the GUI 
demand in Linux world) and b) it's office suit. However, due to some 
wrong decisions (or compromises) it  has also made MS Windows insecure. 
And what about it's licencing policy and cost? I better not even go there.

(ah shucks, I might have started a flame war now)
->HS

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Mateusz Łoskot]

User Micha Feigin wrote::
And if you are interested even Microsoft themselves don't use visual. The 
whole
tool chain for windows is command line (I think it is proprietary though).
Yeah, right, but Microsoft thinks that people/developers
are idiots and will use mouse-clicks as the best
computer usage, so Microsoft does not provide us
with a minimal set of features in its command line like
i.e. words completion.
Microsoft gives us terrible command line and forces us
to use "stupid" and slow mouse clicks ;-)))
"Don't regret and use command line!!!" ;-)))
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 22:16 -0600, Eric Scott wrote:
> Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> >At Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:17:17 -0600,
> >Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Kevin Mark wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
[snip]
> >
> >And if you are interested even Microsoft themselves don't use visual. The 
> >whole
> >tool chain for windows is command line (I think it is proprietary though).
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> Scary... when Microsoft shys away from using their own product...
> But I suppose the real power in M$'s development platform is in the .NET 
> classes, which are all just as accessible from the command-line compiler 
> as the "F5" button in Visual Studio ;-).

Besides, a tool that work *well* for a 500,000 SLOC app won't
necessarily work on monsters like Windows, SQL Server and Office.

That doesn't mean, though, that large and mid-sized projects
should stop using VC++.

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Eric Scott]

Micha Feigin wrote:
At Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:17:17 -0600,
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 

Kevin Mark wrote:
   

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
 

is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
it's not free.
thanks,
--me--
   

Hi MS,
well there are 3 things that make up vc++ from my perspective:
a)c++ language
b)gui toolkit
c)debugging/ide tool
point a is covered by the gcc collection (c,c++,fortran,...)
point b is covered by any toolkit (gdk,tk,qt,...)
point c can be covered by eclipse,gdb, and many others.
-Kev
 

Absolutely. Nothing beats plain gcc and Qt with gdb. I bought visual c++ 
in 1994. Was it a mess. It brought on the move to Linux.

   

And if you are interested even Microsoft themselves don't use visual. The 
whole
tool chain for windows is command line (I think it is proprietary though).
 

Scary... when Microsoft shys away from using their own product...
But I suppose the real power in M$'s development platform is in the .NET 
classes, which are all just as accessible from the command-line compiler 
as the "F5" button in Visual Studio ;-).
  Cheerio,
  SigmaChi

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:54:49PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> And if you are interested even Microsoft themselves don't use visual. The 
> whole
> tool chain for windows is command line (I think it is proprietary though).

I worked there.  They use the Microsoft C++ compiler, a whole bunch of 
perl scripts, and a fork of a commercial command-line source control 
program (I've forgotten the company) that they develop separately called 
Source Depot.

Mostly they are doing kernel-level debugging so they use KDB.
They use a fork of the Visual Studio editor with basically just 
DevEnv.exe and the graphical debugging support, and use that sometimes.  
They definitely don't use Visual C++ projects.

Last time I knew about it they were using something called the "Combo 
Platter", with the Visual Studio 7.1 DevEnv.exe and the Whidbey 
compilers.

But, you're right, they definitely don't build Windows using the tools 
the way they tell you to use them.  It's all very much closer to the 
Unix way of doing things -- all command line driven.  It's considered 
stupid if you have to run a setup.exe to install a developer tool.  All 
the build scripts and whatever you just xcopy them and set up things in 
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Micha Feigin]

At Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:53:45 -0200,
Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote:
> 
> i'd like to see an IDE that allows me to use my makefiles to build my
> applications and let me see the file tree pane... aswell as integrated
> debugging
> is there any way to do this with the linux ides?
> -- Fred
> 

emacs with ecb and speedbar. Also integrates cvs/svn, diff, gdb, grep, shell
tags etc.

Probably vim also.

> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 03:59:58 -0500, Kevin Mark
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
> > > is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
> > > searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
> > > it's not free.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > --me--
> > > 
> > Hi MS,
> > well there are 3 things that make up vc++ from my perspective:
> > a)c++ language
> > b)gui toolkit
> > c)debugging/ide tool
> > point a is covered by the gcc collection (c,c++,fortran,...)
> > point b is covered by any toolkit (gdk,tk,qt,...)
> > point c can be covered by eclipse,gdb, and many others.
> > -Kev
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Micha Feigin]

At Wed, 08 Dec 2004 07:17:17 -0600,
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> 
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
> > 
> >>is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
> >>searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
> >>it's not free.
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>--me--
> >>
> > 
> > Hi MS,
> > well there are 3 things that make up vc++ from my perspective:
> > a)c++ language
> > b)gui toolkit
> > c)debugging/ide tool
> > point a is covered by the gcc collection (c,c++,fortran,...)
> > point b is covered by any toolkit (gdk,tk,qt,...)
> > point c can be covered by eclipse,gdb, and many others.
> > -Kev
> 
> Absolutely. Nothing beats plain gcc and Qt with gdb. I bought visual c++ 
> in 1994. Was it a mess. It brought on the move to Linux.
> 

And if you are interested even Microsoft themselves don't use visual. The whole
tool chain for windows is command line (I think it is proprietary though).

> H.
> 
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[David Baron]

On Wednesday 08 December 2004 17:21, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I use anjuta (www.anjuta.org). It generates and uses the standard
> autoconf makefile/configure setup. Or you can override that and manage
> the makefiles manually. It has an integrated debugger. It also
> integrates devhelp so you get popup function help and context sensitive
> help.
>
> So do a 'apt-get install anjuta'. Then try 'apt-cache search
> devhelp-book' and install the devhelp books that look useful.
>
> There's kdevelop too but I haven't used that.
>
> lazarus is the best IDE but it's Pascal. It's a Delphi clone.
>
> monodevelop is good for mono/csharp stuff.

Anjuta sound good. Should giveit a try. Lazarus Delphi clone--support com as 
well ?

Anybody have any experience with KDevelop (KDE/QT3)?


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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Darryl Luff]

Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote:
i'd like to see an IDE that allows me to use my makefiles to build my
applications and let me see the file tree pane... aswell as integrated
debugging
is there any way to do this with the linux ides?
-- Fred
 

I'm not sure what you mean about the file tree pane?
I use anjuta (www.anjuta.org). It generates and uses the standard 
autoconf makefile/configure setup. Or you can override that and manage 
the makefiles manually. It has an integrated debugger. It also 
integrates devhelp so you get popup function help and context sensitive 
help.

So do a 'apt-get install anjuta'. Then try 'apt-cache search 
devhelp-book' and install the devhelp books that look useful.

There's kdevelop too but I haven't used that.
lazarus is the best IDE but it's Pascal. It's a Delphi clone.
monodevelop is good for mono/csharp stuff.
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kevin Mark wrote:
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
it's not free.
thanks,
--me--
Hi MS,
well there are 3 things that make up vc++ from my perspective:
a)c++ language
b)gui toolkit
c)debugging/ide tool
point a is covered by the gcc collection (c,c++,fortran,...)
point b is covered by any toolkit (gdk,tk,qt,...)
point c can be covered by eclipse,gdb, and many others.
-Kev
Absolutely. Nothing beats plain gcc and Qt with gdb. I bought visual c++ 
in 1994. Was it a mess. It brought on the move to Linux.

H.
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:53:45AM -0200, Frederico Rodrigues Abraham wrote:
> i'd like to see an IDE that allows me to use my makefiles to build my
> applications and let me see the file tree pane... aswell as integrated
> debugging
> is there any way to do this with the linux ides?

Vi Improved (vim) will do all that, with the appropriate customisation
and plugins (see www.vim.org)

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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Frederico Rodrigues Abraham]

i'd like to see an IDE that allows me to use my makefiles to build my
applications and let me see the file tree pane... aswell as integrated
debugging
is there any way to do this with the linux ides?
-- Fred

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 03:59:58 -0500, Kevin Mark
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
> > is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
> > searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
> > it's not free.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > --me--
> > 
> Hi MS,
> well there are 3 things that make up vc++ from my perspective:
> a)c++ language
> b)gui toolkit
> c)debugging/ide tool
> point a is covered by the gcc collection (c,c++,fortran,...)
> point b is covered by any toolkit (gdk,tk,qt,...)
> point c can be covered by eclipse,gdb, and many others.
> -Kev
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 04:51:19PM +0800, ms linux wrote:
> is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
> searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
> it's not free.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> --me--
> 
Hi MS,
well there are 3 things that make up vc++ from my perspective:
a)c++ language
b)gui toolkit
c)debugging/ide tool
point a is covered by the gcc collection (c,c++,fortran,...)
point b is covered by any toolkit (gdk,tk,qt,...)
point c can be covered by eclipse,gdb, and many others.
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Re: visual c++ equivalent

[Eric Gaumer]

On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 16:51 +0800, ms linux wrote:
> is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
> searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
> it's not free.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> --me--

Anjuta 
KDevelop
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visual c++ equivalent

[ms linux]

is there a free visual c++ equivalent in linux ?
searching so far I only found IBM XLC, but of course,
it's not free.

thanks,

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