Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[tomas]

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On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 04:23:12AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Jimmy Johnson composed on 2017-08-31 22:03 (UTC-0700):
> 
> > Felix Miata wrote:

[...]

> > #dpkg-hold 'package-name'
> > #dpkg-unhold 'package-name'
> 
>   dpkg hold
>   dpkg-hold
>   dpkg -hold
>   dpkg --hold
> 
> All produce command-not-found or unknown option messages (in Buster).


Perhaps dlocate is the package you're looking for:

  tomas@trotzki:~$ apt-file search dpkg-hold
  dlocate: /usr/sbin/dpkg-hold
  dlocate: /usr/share/man/man8/dpkg-hold.8.gz

Man page credits dpkg-hold with doing more or less what you described.

Cheers
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Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Felix Miata]

Jimmy Johnson composed on 2017-08-31 22:03 (UTC-0700):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken Google-fu, 
>> for
>> something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) from
>> being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. Anyone
>> familiar with an URL that would do this?

>> In openSUSE, it's a simple process:

>>  zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]

>> That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.

> #dpkg-hold 'package-name'
> #dpkg-unhold 'package-name'

dpkg hold
dpkg-hold
dpkg -hold
dpkg --hold

All produce command-not-found or unknown option messages (in Buster).
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Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 08/30/2017 11:08 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken Google-fu, for
something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) from
being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. Anyone
familiar with an URL that would do this?

In openSUSE, it's a simple process:

zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]

That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.


#dpkg-hold 'package-name'
#dpkg-unhold 'package-name'

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Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 8/31/17, Cindy-Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 8/31/17, Felix Miata  wrote:
>> Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-31 08:51 (UTC+0200):
>>
>>> Felix Miata wrote:
>>
 Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken
 Google-fu, for
 something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s)
 from
 being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded.
 Anyone
 familiar with an URL that would do this?
>>
 In openSUSE, it's a simple process:
>>
zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]
>>
 That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.
>>
>>> Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples.
>>
>> To start with, the question "which man page" needed to be solved.
>>
>>> Like:
>>
>>>  P < 0
>>>   prevents the version from being installed
>>
>>> So, for preventing some package to be installed:
>>
>>> Package: somepackage
>>> Pin: origin ""
>>> Pin-Priority: -1
>>
>> I never saw an example that wasn't part of a group that included multiple
>> release names, none with the null string for origin.
>>
>>> That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no
>>> matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you
>>> want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained
>>> in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples.
>>
>> Now that I see that apt_preferences is the relevant doc, I don't see it
>> as
>> "well" explained. "The file" isn't given a name. There is no "file" that
>> seems
>> applicable to locking anything in in /etc/apt/, though there is an empty
>> directory "/etc/apt/preferences.d/", which to me doesn't imply anything
>> to
>> do
>> with locking.
>>
>> I gave it several stabs. I created /etc/apt/preferences.d/1grub.pref that
>> eventually reached the following state:
>>
>> Package: grub
>> Pin: origin ""
>> Pin-Priority: -1
>>
> < snipped for brevity >
>>
>> I'm still getting told the following will be installed:
>> grub-common grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
>> os-prober
>>
>> This is a multiboot system, so no space-wasting, updates time-wasting
>> bootloader
>> is needed or wanted on the installation making this insistence.
>
>
> I just tracked down a sample I saved for myself during that recent
> time period where wpasupplicant was being a pain:
>
> Package: wpasupplicant
> Pin: version 2.5-2+v2.4-3+b1
> Pin-Priority: 1001
>
> My apologies, but I'm not able to remember *why* I did it exactly like
> that. I'm thinking maybe it was specifically "pinned" to that version
> number... maybe.


A couple references that may or may not help. I am, yes, noting that
they potentially feel a little outdated.

* Debian Cheat Sheet; Carlo Wood, March 2007
  
https://web.archive.org/web/20121024134944/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata

* AptPreferences; Debian Wiki; last modified ~2017.06.30
  https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences

Maybe one or the other has something that will help yet more. I'm
still not remembering why I used "1001" when other numbers are
equally, if not more so, referenced online. An Internet search for
"1001" coincidentally pointed me straight to Stretch's manpages:

https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt_preferences.5.en.html

Stretch and thus Stretch manpages are what I was using at that moment
when I successfully pinned wpasupplicant so maybe that's where I
picked up that detail.

That Archive.org page is being cantankerous for me. You're looking for
the heading of "Pinning Errata" if that one doesn't immediately leap
down to that heading.

Cindy :)
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* runs with duct tape *

Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 8/31/17, Felix Miata  wrote:
> Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-31 08:51 (UTC+0200):
>
>> Felix Miata wrote:
>
>>> Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken
>>> Google-fu, for
>>> something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s)
>>> from
>>> being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded.
>>> Anyone
>>> familiar with an URL that would do this?
>
>>> In openSUSE, it's a simple process:
>
>>> zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]
>
>>> That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.
>
>> Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples.
>
> To start with, the question "which man page" needed to be solved.
>
>> Like:
>
>>  P < 0
>>   prevents the version from being installed
>
>> So, for preventing some package to be installed:
>
>> Package: somepackage
>> Pin: origin ""
>> Pin-Priority: -1
>
> I never saw an example that wasn't part of a group that included multiple
> release names, none with the null string for origin.
>
>> That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no
>> matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you
>> want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained
>> in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples.
>
> Now that I see that apt_preferences is the relevant doc, I don't see it as
> "well" explained. "The file" isn't given a name. There is no "file" that
> seems
> applicable to locking anything in in /etc/apt/, though there is an empty
> directory "/etc/apt/preferences.d/", which to me doesn't imply anything to
> do
> with locking.
>
> I gave it several stabs. I created /etc/apt/preferences.d/1grub.pref that
> eventually reached the following state:
>
> Package: grub
> Pin: origin ""
> Pin-Priority: -1
>
< snipped for brevity >
>
> I'm still getting told the following will be installed:
> grub-common grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common
> os-prober
>
> This is a multiboot system, so no space-wasting, updates time-wasting
> bootloader
> is needed or wanted on the installation making this insistence.


I just tracked down a sample I saved for myself during that recent
time period where wpasupplicant was being a pain:

Package: wpasupplicant
Pin: version 2.5-2+v2.4-3+b1
Pin-Priority: 1001

My apologies, but I'm not able to remember *why* I did it exactly like
that. I'm thinking maybe it was specifically "pinned" to that version
number... maybe.

I do remember that it was garnered from an example somewhere out on
the W-W-W. However they explained their own example, that right there
helped me at that time. In fact so much so that my inner geekette
became a little more empowered that day. * yippee ki ay* :D

Cindy :)
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Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Felix Miata]

Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-31 08:51 (UTC+0200):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken Google-fu, 
>> for
>> something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) from
>> being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. Anyone
>> familiar with an URL that would do this?

>> In openSUSE, it's a simple process:

>>  zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]

>> That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.

> Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples.

To start with, the question "which man page" needed to be solved.

> Like:

>  P < 0
>   prevents the version from being installed

> So, for preventing some package to be installed:

> Package: somepackage
> Pin: origin ""
> Pin-Priority: -1

I never saw an example that wasn't part of a group that included multiple
release names, none with the null string for origin.

> That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no
> matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you
> want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained
> in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples.

Now that I see that apt_preferences is the relevant doc, I don't see it as
"well" explained. "The file" isn't given a name. There is no "file" that seems
applicable to locking anything in in /etc/apt/, though there is an empty
directory "/etc/apt/preferences.d/", which to me doesn't imply anything to do
with locking.

I gave it several stabs. I created /etc/apt/preferences.d/1grub.pref that
eventually reached the following state:

Package: grub
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: grub2
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: grub-common
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: grub2-common
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: os-prober
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: grub-pc
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: grub-pc-bin
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

Package: grub-gfxpayload-lists
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

I'm still getting told the following will be installed:
grub-common grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common os-prober

This is a multiboot system, so no space-wasting, updates time-wasting bootloader
is needed or wanted on the installation making this insistence.

:-(
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Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Dejan Jocic]

On 31-08-17, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 31-08-17, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken 
> > Google-fu, for
> > something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) from
> > being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. 
> > Anyone
> > familiar with an URL that would do this?
> > 
> > In openSUSE, it's a simple process:
> > 
> > zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]
> > 
> > That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.
> > -- 
> > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
> > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
> > 
> >  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
> > 
> > Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
> > 
> 
> Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples.
> Like:
> 
>  P < 0
>   prevents the version from being installed
> 
> So, for preventing some package to be installed:
> 
> Package: somepackage
> Pin: origin ""
> Pin-Priority: -1
> 
> That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no
> matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you
> want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained
> in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples.
> 
Eh, was bit sleepy still when I wrote this. Posting before properly
waking up should be forbidden. That origin part will prevent only from
local site. Use something like Pin: release a=stable instead of it. You
can also use name like Pin: release n=stretch. And for package, you can
use also version, like Pin: version 2.01.1-1+b2. Or even Pin: version
2.01* to prevent all versions starting with 2.01 to be installed.


Sorry for confusion.

Re: want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Dejan Jocic]

On 31-08-17, Felix Miata wrote:
> Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken Google-fu, 
> for
> something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) from
> being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. Anyone
> familiar with an URL that would do this?
> 
> In openSUSE, it's a simple process:
> 
>   zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]
> 
> That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.
> -- 
> "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
> words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
> 
>  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
> 
> Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/
> 

Not sure that I understand, because man page gives enough examples.
Like:

 P < 0
  prevents the version from being installed

So, for preventing some package to be installed:

Package: somepackage
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

That will prevent all packages with somepackage name to be installed, no
matter of origin. In Pin section, you can use release instead, if you
want to restrict just specific release, but that is all well explained
in man page of apt_preferences with lots of examples.

want pinning with examples to prevent unwanted package(s) from being installed

[Felix Miata]

Over an hour I've been searching in vain, apparently using broken Google-fu, for
something using examples to explain how to prevent unwanted package(s) from
being installed via pinning when apt-mark's hold is being disregarded. Anyone
familiar with an URL that would do this?

In openSUSE, it's a simple process:

zypper al unwantedpackagename[version]

That's all there is to it, other than it also works with wildcards.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/