Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
2009/4/14 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? what actions are done to those kept back packages? thanks apt-get upgrade by default will not install new packages or remove installed packages. man apt-get read the upgrade section. Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? It means that there are newer versions of those packages available, but apt-get refrained from upgrading them. The reasons for that can be that in order to upgrade those packages, apt-get would need to add or remove some other packages. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 16:52, Stefan Monnier wrote: I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? It means that there are newer versions of those packages available, but apt-get refrained from upgrading them. The reasons for that can be that in order to upgrade those packages, apt-get would need to add or remove some other packages. Stefan I remember a while back that Rosegarden was held back for about 6 weeks. that was on Lenny, and I always do an apt-get dist-upgrade. I think that sometimes the problem is, as in the Rosegarden case, that dependencies for Rosegarden need to be upgraded before the Rosegarden version that is being held back, can be installed. The way this seemed to work out, was that the currently installed Rosegarden version would continue to work, then when the needed upgrades for dependencies for the held back new Rosegarden version were available, then, and only then would the held back version of Rosegarden be installed, along with the upgraded dependencies for Rosegarden. Don't know if that makes sense, but it seemed to be the way it worked for me. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? what actions are done to those kept back packages? thanks -- My platform is Debian-sid gnome mozilla blender eclipse monodevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:13 PM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? what actions are done to those kept back packages? thanks The package is not upgraded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
2009/4/14 David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? what actions are done to those kept back packages? thanks They're put on temporary hold. Kept back means that there exists a dependency on one or more of the kept back packages that prevent them from being installed. Sometimes you can upgrade them by doing a dist-upgrade or full-upgrade, but you have to be careful. if i do the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade to force upgrade these packages, then i may break the dependency of some other packages, which depend on the old versions, right? thanks. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- My platform is Debian-sid gnome mozilla blender eclipse monodevelop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
On 2009-04-14, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/14 David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? what actions are done to those kept back packages? thanks They're put on temporary hold. Kept back means that there exists a dependency on one or more of the kept back packages that prevent them from being installed. Sometimes you can upgrade them by doing a dist-upgrade or full-upgrade, but you have to be careful. if i do the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade to force upgrade these packages, then i may break the dependency of some other packages, which depend on the old versions, right? thanks. No, you'll not break the dependency. If the package to update depends on a new package, then the package will be kept back when you use apt-get update. apt-get update will not install new packages or remove un-needed packages automatically. apt-get dist-upgrade solves this issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 09:07 +0800, 明覺 wrote: if i do the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade to force upgrade these packages, then i may break the dependency of some other packages, which depend on the old versions, right? thanks. My understanding is that it won't break dependencies, only install those that may be missing from your system. For example: foo-1.0 is installed on your system. It has no dependencies. foo-1.1 is released which depends on libbar-1.1. If you already have libbar-1.1 installed, apt-get upgrade will upgrade to foo-1.1 If you don't have libbar-1.1 installed, apt-get upgrade will 'keep back' foo-1.1, whereas apt-get dist-upgrade will update to foo-1.1 AND install libbar-1.1. The caution comes in that sometimes dist-upgrade will remove packages too, but even then it generally gets it right. -- Mark McCorkell markmccork...@tiscali.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
2009/4/14 David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com: 2009/4/13 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com: if i do the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade to force upgrade these packages, then i may break the dependency of some other packages, which depend on the old versions, right? thanks. It is possible to have some packages that depend on an old version of a particular package but still have new packages that depend on the new verson of a package. Sometimes that happens when there is a transition. Often, one can just wait to have the problems resolve itself and then the held back packages get fixed. So it means if there are 2 versions for a same package exist concurrently, and the new version requires other new packages installed, then the new version won't be installed, say it kept back. Only after the old version is removed, and only one version of the kept back package exisits, then the new version will be installed and won't be kept back any more, right? thanks. A lot of times, aptitude (or apt-get) suggests ways to get around the problem, but still you have to be careful how you proceed. Usually when I see it try to remove too many things in order to fix a problem of this type, I figure that it's not the right thing to do at the moment. -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- My platform is debian-sid gnome mozilla eclipse monodevelop blender. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what does kept back mean when do apt-get upgrade?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Jeffrey Cao jcao.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 2009-04-14, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/14 David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, 明覺 shi.min...@gmail.com wrote: I often see that some packages are kept back when I do apt-get upgrade, what does it mean? what actions are done to those kept back packages? thanks They're put on temporary hold. Kept back means that there exists a dependency on one or more of the kept back packages that prevent them from being installed. Sometimes you can upgrade them by doing a dist-upgrade or full-upgrade, but you have to be careful. if i do the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade to force upgrade these packages, then i may break the dependency of some other packages, which depend on the old versions, right? thanks. No, you'll not break the dependency. If the package to update depends on a new package, then the package will be kept back when you use apt-get update. apt-get update will not install new packages or remove un-needed packages automatically. apt-get dist-upgrade solves this issue. If the currently installed version of a kept back package doesn't exist any more in debian source package library, and only new version of the package exists, apt-get upgrade still won't install new packages and remove un-needed packages? thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- My platform is debian-sid gnome mozilla eclipse monodevelop blender. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
