Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Tuesday 15 March 2011 23:51:48 s. keeling wrote: > Jerome BENOIT : > > On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: What's the of an answer out of topic so late? Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201103160022.45067.tchate...@free.fr
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Jerome BENOIT : > On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: > > * amd64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/> > > * armel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/armel/iso-dvd/> > > * kfreebsd-i386 > > <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/> > > * kfreebsd-amd64 > > <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-dvd/> > > * i386 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/> > > * ia64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/ia64/iso-dvd/> > > * mips <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mips/iso-dvd/> > > * mipsel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mipsel/iso-dvd/> > > * powerpc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/> > > * sparc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/sparc/iso-dvd/> > > * s390 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/s390/iso-dvd/> > > * source <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/source/iso-dvd/> > > * multi-arch > > <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/> > > > > which version for intel chipset 64bit? > > > amd64 Allow me to point out all the ways my 64 bit (Turion) HP Pavilion dv4 laptop is failing me. Current CPU temp 82 C! I rest my case. Grr. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iloqi4$7gl$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Bret Busby put forth on 2/9/2011 11:32 AM: > If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is > addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be able > to > address that much RAM. 32 bit Intel and AMD CPUs have been capable of addressing up to 64GB of RAM since 1995 via PAE and a 36 bit address bus (later 40 bits). Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension > But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit version > of > Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit version of Debian Linux > is > only compatible with a small subset of the 64 bit CPU's. You lack understanding here as well. There have been, over the years, around a _dozen_ 64 bit versions of Debian Gnu/Linux, not just one, including: Alpha, MIPS, HPPA, PowerPC64, SPARC, IA-64, and x86-64. See: http://www.debian.org/ports/#released What you think of as "64 bit Debian" is strictly/merely the x86-64 (AMD64) port, first released in April 2007, not quite 4 years old, making it the _youngest_ of all Debian 64 bit ports. The Alpha port is the oldest full 64 bit Debian port, first released in March 1999, or ~8 years earlier. Unlike with some architectures, the Debian Alpha release was 64 bit from the beginning, as Alpha processors were clean sheet 64 bit designs from the ground up. There was never any 32 bit baggage as with IA32, MIPS, SPARC, PowerPC, HP PA-RISC, etc. In fact, SPARC chips have been fully 64 bit CPUs for at least 15 years, but the Debian distribution has mostly 32 bit SPARC packages, even though the kernel is 64 bit. And Debian SPARC shipped for the first time in 2.1, same as Alpha. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d58d52c.5000...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Vi, 11 feb 11, 19:17:02, Klistvud wrote:
>
> Well, probably the simplest ("newbie") method would be to download
> both versions (i386 and amd64) of Debian. Then, pop in the 64-bit
> CD.
> 1) If it runs, you own a 64-bit system.
> 2) If it doesn't, it will explicitly inform you about the wrong
> architecture. Use the 32-bit CD and enjoy!
>
> P.S. For anyone owning more than a single computer and/or
> maintaining computers for various relatives & friends having both
> versions of Debian CDs handy is a must anyway.
It is even easier than that: use the multiarch iso (DVD or CD
netinstall) which will install amd64 if your computer supports it.
Regards,
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Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Dne, 10. 02. 2011 07:22:32 je Bob Proulx napisal(a):
You are making it too difficult. I can't think of any 64-bit capable
cpus that are not 64-bit capable. Really! :-)
The normal question is how can you tell from a 32-bit system, such as
a live cd boot or some such, whether the system is 64-bit capable?
The answer to that question is to look at the cpu flags and see if the
"lm" flag is present. That is the long-mode flag and if present
indicates that the cpu is 64-bit capable.
$ grep --color '\' /proc/cpuinfo
If that flag is present then you are good to go for a 64-bit system.
Well, probably the simplest ("newbie") method would be to download both
versions (i386 and amd64) of Debian. Then, pop in the 64-bit CD.
1) If it runs, you own a 64-bit system.
2) If it doesn't, it will explicitly inform you about the wrong
architecture. Use the 32-bit CD and enjoy!
P.S. For anyone owning more than a single computer and/or maintaining
computers for various relatives & friends having both versions of
Debian CDs handy is a must anyway.
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Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Camaleón a écrit : > On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:39:37 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be able to address that much RAM. >> No, this is wrong. > > No, he's right, with the exception I provided below. Most of x86-32 CPUs still in use support PAE. At least most of those installed on motherboards which can accept more than 4 GiB of memory. I do not call this an exception. I feel that x86-32 CPUs which do not support PAE are more the exception nowadays. >>> Yes, but there is also 32-bits PAE kernel that will allow you to use up >>> to 64 GiB of ram in your 64-bits CPU. >> >> PAE is a 32-bit feature. Most 32-bit-only x86 processors starting from >> Pentium Pro (including Pentium II/III/4 and Athlon) support PAE. > > Not my "Core duo T2400" :-) Unfortunately I am aware there are a few exception, this is why I carefully wrote "most". >>> You can choose what to use: 32-bits or 64-bits OS. >> >> An amd64 OS won't work on an x86-32 CPU with PAE support. > > It seems you did not follow the full thread. We were talking about 64- > bits capable procesors and any of these micros can work with either > architecture. I thought that in this paragraph you were talking specifically about PAE-capable processors, which can be 32 or 64-bit. Maybe I misunderstood. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d53d85f.5010...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:58:56 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit >>> version of Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit >>> version of Debian Linux is only compatible with a small subset of the >>> 64 bit CPU's. >> >> I cannot follow you here. Debian's 64-bits kernel is compatible with >> every CPU that is 64-bits capable. Can you please explain your point a >> bit? >> >> > The web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ states (...) > Thus, from the Debian official documentation, it is made clear that > Intel 64 bit CPU's that do not have the "EM64T extension" (whatever that > is and does), have no 64 bit version of Debian Linux available for them. What?!?! That's just a mix of "techno-marketing" parlance, sir. EMT64T is an Intel way to say "hey, this CPU is 64-bits capable". > Therefore, it is not simply an issue of whether a CPU is a 64 bit CPU > and is therefore compatible with Debian 64 bit Linux; (...) Hum... basically, yes, it is simple that your CPU is 64-bits capable. I would suggest you to read more on this matter :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.10.12.12...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:39:37 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Camaleón a écrit : >>> If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is >>> addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to >>> be able to address that much RAM. > > No, this is wrong. No, he's right, with the exception I provided below. >> Yes, but there is also 32-bits PAE kernel that will allow you to use up >> to 64 GiB of ram in your 64-bits CPU. > > PAE is a 32-bit feature. Most 32-bit-only x86 processors starting from > Pentium Pro (including Pentium II/III/4 and Athlon) support PAE. Not my "Core duo T2400" :-) >> You can choose what to use: 32-bits or 64-bits OS. > > An amd64 OS won't work on an x86-32 CPU with PAE support. It seems you did not follow the full thread. We were talking about 64- bits capable procesors and any of these micros can work with either architecture. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.10.11.55...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:11:37 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Does that mean that, from > > " > :~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family: 15 > model : 44 > model name: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ > stepping : 2 > cpu MHz : 1600.224 > cache size: 256 KB > fdiv_bug : no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug : no > coma_bug : no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 1 > wp: yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov > pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm > 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm ts ttp tm stc bogomips : 3204.10 > " > > this system will run 64 bit Debian, and other 64 bit OS's? (Sigh...) You didn't go to the link I provided, because if you looked into AMD products you would have found this information about *your* processor: http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=151&id=167&id=168&id=169&id=170 4 in 5 micros are 64-bits capable. And as per your "lm" flag, I'd say yes: your processor supports 64-bits OSes. > And, that the CPU (if not the BIOS) can work with 8GB of RAM? Did you notice the "pae" flag"? Your CPU can work with 8 GiB of ram whichever architecture you can use (64 or 32 bits). > (This is different to the I3 system that I particularly wanted to know > whether I should try to install the I386 or the AMD64 version, but, now, > I am curious about this system, also) It is eaiser than you think. - If in doubt, use the 32 bits arch. - If still want to "try" the 64 bits flavour, just download any of the 64- bits LiveCDs that you can find out there and try to load it >:-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.10.11.48...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Jo, 10 feb 11, 18:11:37, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Bob Proulx wrote: [snip lots of unrelated stuff] [snip answer] [snip question to answer above] > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." Very apropiate... [snip more signature lines] Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Bob Proulx wrote: Bret Busby wrote: The web page at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ states The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace. Thus, from the Debian official documentation, it is made clear that Intel 64 bit CPU's that do not have the "EM64T extension" (whatever that is and does), have no 64 bit version of Debian Linux available for them. Intel calls their AMD64 architecture EM64T. It is Intel's name for it. For all practical purposes they are the same thing. However there may be different bugs in them since they were implemented by different design teams. But in particular this is not IA64 which is a completely different 64-bit architecture but one that is often confused by users with AMD64. Therefore, it is not simply an issue of whether a CPU is a 64 bit CPU and is therefore compatible with Debian 64 bit Linux; it is made clear from the official Debian documentation, that only 32 bit Debian Linux is available from Debian, for all 64 bit CPU's that do not have the "EM64T extension", No. You are reading too much into that somewhat less-that-perfectly- worded document. Don't cause that much pain for yourself. It is saying that all AMD manufactured cpus of the AMD64 architecture and all Intel manufactured cpus of the EM64T architecture are supported. By saying it that way it is allowing for AMD64 specific opcodes and for EM64T specific opcodes (I recall there are a very few) and the common subset between them (almost all it) and saying that each of those almost the same but very slightly different architectures are supported. They may be slightly different but for all practical purposes for you as a user of them you can think of them as being the same. and thus, without knowing whether a particular 64 bit Intel (or compatible) CPU is compatible with the Debian Linux 64 bit version, there is no point in trying to install that version. No. It doesn't say that at all. If it is a 64-bit AMD cpu then you can install the 64-bit amd64 port. If it is a 64-bit Intel cpu and /not/ IA-64 then you can install the 64-bit amd64 port. If it is a 64-bit Intel cpu and IA-64 (rare, found in high end server hardware) then you can install the IA-64 port. I believe that, in the circumstances, as Debian has made it clear that a 64 bit version of Debian Linux, is not available for 64 bit CPU's, other than a particular subset of 64 bit CPU's, to inform the public as to what 64 bit CPU's are limited to a 32 bit version of the operating system, is a reasonable expectation. (I am sure you are going to hate that I chose that particular paragraph to quote in my response. :-) You are making it too difficult. I can't think of any 64-bit capable cpus that are not 64-bit capable. Really! :-) The normal question is how can you tell from a 32-bit system, such as a live cd boot or some such, whether the system is 64-bit capable? The answer to that question is to look at the cpu flags and see if the "lm" flag is present. That is the long-mode flag and if present indicates that the cpu is 64-bit capable. $ grep --color '\' /proc/cpuinfo If that flag is present then you are good to go for a 64-bit system. Bob Does that mean that, from " :~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 44 model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 1600.224 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm ts ttp tm stc bogomips: 3204.10 " this system will run 64 bit Debian, and other 64 bit OS's? And, that the CPU (if not the BIOS) can work with 8GB of RAM? (This is different to the I3 system that I particularly wanted to know whether I should try to install the I386 or the AMD64 version, but, now, I am curious about this system, also) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1102101804470.8...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Hello, Camaleón a écrit : > On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:32:09 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with >> the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the >> 32 bit version. There are no single 32 and 64-bit versions. Debian has different ports for different architectures which are either 32 or 64-bit. You (as many people) are confusing "32-bit" with x86-32 (i386 port) and "64-bit" with x86-64 (amd64 port). But there are 32 and 64-bit non-x86 architectures out there, and Debian supports some of them too. >> If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is >> addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be >> able to address that much RAM. No, this is wrong. > Yes, but there is also 32-bits PAE kernel that will allow you to use up > to 64 GiB of ram in your 64-bits CPU. PAE is a 32-bit feature. Most 32-bit-only x86 processors starting from Pentium Pro (including Pentium II/III/4 and Athlon) support PAE. > You can choose what to use: 32-bits or 64-bits OS. An amd64 OS won't work on an x86-32 CPU with PAE support. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d53b259.7080...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Bret Busby wrote: > The web page at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ states > The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 > extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common > 64bit userspace. > > Thus, from the Debian official documentation, it is made clear that > Intel 64 bit CPU's that do not have the "EM64T extension" (whatever > that is and does), have no 64 bit version of Debian Linux available > for them. Intel calls their AMD64 architecture EM64T. It is Intel's name for it. For all practical purposes they are the same thing. However there may be different bugs in them since they were implemented by different design teams. But in particular this is not IA64 which is a completely different 64-bit architecture but one that is often confused by users with AMD64. > Therefore, it is not simply an issue of whether a CPU is a 64 bit > CPU and is therefore compatible with Debian 64 bit Linux; it is made > clear from the official Debian documentation, that only 32 bit > Debian Linux is available from Debian, for all 64 bit CPU's that do > not have the "EM64T extension", No. You are reading too much into that somewhat less-that-perfectly- worded document. Don't cause that much pain for yourself. It is saying that all AMD manufactured cpus of the AMD64 architecture and all Intel manufactured cpus of the EM64T architecture are supported. By saying it that way it is allowing for AMD64 specific opcodes and for EM64T specific opcodes (I recall there are a very few) and the common subset between them (almost all it) and saying that each of those almost the same but very slightly different architectures are supported. They may be slightly different but for all practical purposes for you as a user of them you can think of them as being the same. > and thus, without knowing whether a particular 64 bit Intel (or > compatible) CPU is compatible with the Debian Linux 64 bit version, > there is no point in trying to install that version. No. It doesn't say that at all. If it is a 64-bit AMD cpu then you can install the 64-bit amd64 port. If it is a 64-bit Intel cpu and /not/ IA-64 then you can install the 64-bit amd64 port. If it is a 64-bit Intel cpu and IA-64 (rare, found in high end server hardware) then you can install the IA-64 port. > I believe that, in the circumstances, as Debian has made it clear > that a 64 bit version of Debian Linux, is not available for 64 bit > CPU's, other than a particular subset of 64 bit CPU's, to inform the > public as to what 64 bit CPU's are limited to a 32 bit version of > the operating system, is a reasonable expectation. (I am sure you are going to hate that I chose that particular paragraph to quote in my response. :-) You are making it too difficult. I can't think of any 64-bit capable cpus that are not 64-bit capable. Really! :-) The normal question is how can you tell from a 32-bit system, such as a live cd boot or some such, whether the system is 64-bit capable? The answer to that question is to look at the cpu flags and see if the "lm" flag is present. That is the long-mode flag and if present indicates that the cpu is 64-bit capable. $ grep --color '\' /proc/cpuinfo If that flag is present then you are good to go for a 64-bit system. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:36:26 + (UTC) From: Camaleón To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 18:37:01 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:32:09 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: For someone who is going to install an OS, that's something that should be found by the user itself. More than a mere "technical" decision (both architectures -i386 and amd64- will work under 64-bits machines), choosing between the two is something that is completely up to the user's preferences as there are many other aspects to consider beyond going A or B. If in doubt, better ask here or in forums. The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the 32 bit version. Not a problem at all, at least if you know where to find the information. And most of the people do know :-). For those who don't, they can ask here. For example, the Pentium 4, from memory, is a 64 bit CPU, but is incompatible with the 64 bit version of Debian Linux, and requires to run the 32 bit version; the i386 version, that is incompatible with i386's. It does not work that way. First, you have to know the exact processor model and number (you can fecth it by running 'grep -i "model name" /proc/cpuinfo'). Then, you can go to the manufacture's page and perform a search for that specific model: Intel: http://ark.intel.com/Default.aspx AMD: http://products.amd.com/pages/ After that, the specs page for your concrete model will tell you if the processor is 64-bits capable or not. That's the only way to ensure about the possibility of running a 64-bits within your hardware. I can ask a question - does the I3, I5 and I7 range of CPU's require to run the 32 bit version of Debian Linux, or, can they run the 64 bit version, and, the question might (or, might not) get answered on the list, and then, a couple of weeks, or, a few weeks, later, along comes someone else, who asks the same question, and, so-on, ad nauseum, with the question getting repeatedly asked, because the information is not included in the documentation. Yes, I know what you mean, but the "up-to-date" source of information in this case is the manufacturer's site. Debian wiki cannot automatically "sync" with each processor's manufacturer site to fetch the latest available information on the latest processors (unless Debian reaches an agreement with every manufacturer to do it so) so going to Intel or AMD page is the most accurate way to go and that is what should be adviced on Debia'ns wiki or Releases Notes. Inclusion of such information in the documentation, means that people who want to know the information, do not need to ask it on mailing lists, and, therefore, can reduce the derision on the mailing list. I already explained why it should be possible but it would require the collaboration of every processor's manufacturers... unless their databases are completely open and Debian can query to them directly, which could be another option to explore. If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be able to address that much RAM. Yes, but there is also 32-bits PAE kernel that will allow you to use up to 64 GiB of ram in your 64-bits CPU. You can choose what to use: 32-bits or 64-bits OS. But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit version of Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit version of Debian Linux is only compatible with a small subset of the 64 bit CPU's. I cannot follow you here. Debian's 64-bits kernel is compatible with every CPU that is 64-bits capable. Can you please explain your point a bit? The web page at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ states " The following computer architectures are supported in this release: * 32-bit PC (i386) * 64-bit PC (amd64) " The web page at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ states " Current Status AMD64 has been an officially supported Debian architecture since the release of Debian 4.0 (etch). The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace. " Thus, from the Debian official documentation, it is made clear that Intel 64 bit CPU's that do not have the "EM64T extension" (whatever that is and does), have no 64 bit version of Debian Linux available for them. Therefore, it is not simply an issue of whether a CPU is a 64 bit CPU and is therefore compatible with Debian 64 bit Linux; it is made clear from the official Debian documentation,
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:32:09 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: >> For someone who is going to install an OS, that's something that should >> be found by the user itself. More than a mere "technical" decision >> (both architectures -i386 and amd64- will work under 64-bits machines), >> choosing between the two is something that is completely up to the >> user's preferences as there are many other aspects to consider beyond >> going A or B. >> >> If in doubt, better ask here or in forums. >> >> > The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with > the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the > 32 bit version. Not a problem at all, at least if you know where to find the information. And most of the people do know :-). For those who don't, they can ask here. > For example, the Pentium 4, from memory, is a 64 bit CPU, but is > incompatible with the 64 bit version of Debian Linux, and requires to > run the 32 bit version; the i386 version, that is incompatible with > i386's. It does not work that way. First, you have to know the exact processor model and number (you can fecth it by running 'grep -i "model name" /proc/cpuinfo'). Then, you can go to the manufacture's page and perform a search for that specific model: Intel: http://ark.intel.com/Default.aspx AMD: http://products.amd.com/pages/ After that, the specs page for your concrete model will tell you if the processor is 64-bits capable or not. That's the only way to ensure about the possibility of running a 64-bits within your hardware. > I can ask a question - does the I3, I5 and I7 range of CPU's require to > run the 32 bit version of Debian Linux, or, can they run the 64 bit > version, and, the question might (or, might not) get answered on the > list, and then, a couple of weeks, or, a few weeks, later, along comes > someone else, who asks the same question, and, so-on, ad nauseum, with > the question getting repeatedly asked, because the information is not > included in the documentation. Yes, I know what you mean, but the "up-to-date" source of information in this case is the manufacturer's site. Debian wiki cannot automatically "sync" with each processor's manufacturer site to fetch the latest available information on the latest processors (unless Debian reaches an agreement with every manufacturer to do it so) so going to Intel or AMD page is the most accurate way to go and that is what should be adviced on Debia'ns wiki or Releases Notes. > Inclusion of such information in the documentation, means that people > who want to know the information, do not need to ask it on mailing > lists, and, therefore, can reduce the derision on the mailing list. I already explained why it should be possible but it would require the collaboration of every processor's manufacturers... unless their databases are completely open and Debian can query to them directly, which could be another option to explore. > If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is > addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be > able to address that much RAM. Yes, but there is also 32-bits PAE kernel that will allow you to use up to 64 GiB of ram in your 64-bits CPU. You can choose what to use: 32-bits or 64-bits OS. > But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit > version of Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit version > of Debian Linux is only compatible with a small subset of the 64 bit > CPU's. I cannot follow you here. Debian's 64-bits kernel is compatible with every CPU that is 64-bits capable. Can you please explain your point a bit? > If it is too much trouble to include in the Realease Notes, a list of > CPU's and whether they are compatible with each of the 32 bit and 64 bit > versions of Debian Linux, then, could it not be done to include a list > of CPU's, for which, the 64 bit version of Debian Linux is compatible, > and thence to state that all CPU's not included in that list, should be > taken to be incompatible with 64 bit Debian Linux? > > That, at least, would be of some help for people who want to install the > correct operating system, and, not simply regard the operating system as > one that does not work, because they belive that it should work with > their computer, and it does not? This is not a Debian issue but a microprocessor/hardware issue. And I still think the list of the 64-bits compatible processors is up to each manufacturer and not the business of every Linux distribution. I agree that a "brief" note explaining each kernel possibilities would be desiderable. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.09.18.36...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Bret Busby wrote: > > The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with > the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the > 32 bit version. > > For example, the Pentium 4, from memory, is a 64 bit CPU, but is > incompatible with the 64 bit version of Debian Linux, and requires to > run the 32 bit version; the i386 version, that is incompatible with i386's. > The Pentium 4 was a 32-bit processor. *Some* were made with a 64-bit core, but they're rare, and will run amd64 just fine. > I can ask a question - does the I3, I5 and I7 range of CPU's require to All Intel I-series are 64-bit. At this point, only some of the lower end netbook processors are still 32-bit. That is changing, though. > run the 32 bit version of Debian Linux, or, can they run the 64 bit > version, and, the question might (or, might not) get answered on the > list, and then, a couple of weeks, or, a few weeks, later, along comes > someone else, who asks the same question, and, so-on, ad nauseum, with > the question getting repeatedly asked, because the information is not > included in the documentation. > > Inclusion of such information in the documentation, means that people > who want to know the information, do not need to ask it on mailing > lists, and, therefore, can reduce the derision on the mailing list. > > If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is > addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be > able to address that much RAM. > > But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit > version of Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit version > of Debian Linux is only compatible with a small subset of the 64 bit CPU's. > AMD64 is AMD64. The only thing it would be incompatible with are Itanium, Sparc, or other completely different architectures. > If it is too much trouble to include in the Realease Notes, a list of > CPU's and whether they are compatible with each of the 32 bit and 64 bit > versions of Debian Linux, then, could it not be done to include a list > of CPU's, for which, the 64 bit version of Debian Linux is compatible, > and thence to state that all CPU's not included in that list, should be > taken to be incompatible with 64 bit Debian Linux? > Part of the issue is that the processor "name" doesn't tell whether or not it is 32/64 bit. Intel is particularly bad at this. > That, at least, would be of some help for people who want to install the > correct operating system, and, not simply regard the operating system as > one that does not work, because they belive that it should work with > their computer, and it does not? > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of Book 1 of > "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > A Trilogy In Four Parts", > written by Douglas Adams, > published by Pan Books, 1992 > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d52d61e.2080...@paulscrap.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, Camaleón wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:16:46 + (UTC) From: Camaleón To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:17:20 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:43:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with appropriate distribution version? (...) For someone who is going to install an OS, that's something that should be found by the user itself. More than a mere "technical" decision (both architectures -i386 and amd64- will work under 64-bits machines), choosing between the two is something that is completely up to the user's preferences as there are many other aspects to consider beyond going A or B. If in doubt, better ask here or in forums. Greetings, -- Camaleón The problem is in knowing whether a particular CPU is compatible with the 64 bit version of the operating system, or whether it requires the 32 bit version. For example, the Pentium 4, from memory, is a 64 bit CPU, but is incompatible with the 64 bit version of Debian Linux, and requires to run the 32 bit version; the i386 version, that is incompatible with i386's. I can ask a question - does the I3, I5 and I7 range of CPU's require to run the 32 bit version of Debian Linux, or, can they run the 64 bit version, and, the question might (or, might not) get answered on the list, and then, a couple of weeks, or, a few weeks, later, along comes someone else, who asks the same question, and, so-on, ad nauseum, with the question getting repeatedly asked, because the information is not included in the documentation. Inclusion of such information in the documentation, means that people who want to know the information, do not need to ask it on mailing lists, and, therefore, can reduce the derision on the mailing list. If my memory is correct, for a computer to include 8GB of RAM, that is addressable by the CPU, the CPU would necessarily be a 64 bit CPU, to be able to address that much RAM. But, apparently, not all 64 bit CPU's are compatible with the 64 bit version of Debian Linux, as (from what I understand) the 64 bit version of Debian Linux is only compatible with a small subset of the 64 bit CPU's. If it is too much trouble to include in the Realease Notes, a list of CPU's and whether they are compatible with each of the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Debian Linux, then, could it not be done to include a list of CPU's, for which, the 64 bit version of Debian Linux is compatible, and thence to state that all CPU's not included in that list, should be taken to be incompatible with 64 bit Debian Linux? That, at least, would be of some help for people who want to install the correct operating system, and, not simply regard the operating system as one that does not work, because they belive that it should work with their computer, and it does not? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:43:59 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with > appropriate distribution version? (...) For someone who is going to install an OS, that's something that should be found by the user itself. More than a mere "technical" decision (both architectures -i386 and amd64- will work under 64-bits machines), choosing between the two is something that is completely up to the user's preferences as there are many other aspects to consider beyond going A or B. If in doubt, better ask here or in forums. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.09.11.16...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Mi, 09 feb 11, 13:43:59, Bret Busby wrote: > > So, it would be useful for the Release Notes to include a list of > CPU's, and show which is the appropriate version of the > distribution, for each CPU model. There are two problems I can think of with this approach: - who is going to maintain that list? - what is "the apropiate" architecture for my system? Although my CPU is 64bit (Dual Core T2330) I only have 2 GB RAM. While I have been running amd64 for years now I do plan on switching to i386. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Bret Busby put forth on 2/8/2011 11:43 PM: > > Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with > appropriate distribution version? > > Many 64 bit CPU's exist, but it can be difficult to determine whether they > should have the i386 (which no longer works with the i386, from the Release > Notes, and so should be renamed) or the amd64 version of the distribution, > installed. > > Some people may know the answer, but, for the rest of us, we are just left in > the dark. > > For example the (relatively) new range of CPU's (which are prbably now out of > date), that are the I range, eg, I3, I5, I7, are (I believe) 64 bit CPU's, > but the Release Notes do not indicate whether these should have the 32 bit or > the 64 bit version of the districbution, installed. > > So, it would be useful for the Release Notes to include a list of CPU's, and > show which is the appropriate version of the distribution, for each CPU model. Is it really that hard to Google for the CPU string blasted to your screen during POST, or on a sticker or logo of some kind affixed to the chassis? Oh, crap, lemme guess, you don't know what "POST" or "chassis" mean? /me head->desk -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d525702.8020...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Darac Marjal put forth on 2/8/2011 9:05 AM: > IIRC, i386 should work fine whichever style of 64-bit it is. However, > one of the reasons why Intel switched from IA64 to AMD64 was that IA64 > is terrible at executing 32-bit code. You are woefully misinformed. First, IA64 Itanium is alive and well, although market share is lower than Intel would like. Intel sells chips based on both ISAs, x86-64 (Core, Xeon) and IA64 (Itanium) but into different markets. Second, from the Itanium 2 Montecito core forward, hardware support for the IA32 instruction set was removed and replaced by a software emulator with much better performance (though few, if any, customers use it). The current IA64 chip, the Itanium 9300 (Tukwila) series was released in early 2010. The top model, the 9350 has: 4 cores @ 1.73/1.86 GHz (unimpressive freq, but can execute up to 6 instructions/clock vs 2-3 for Core) 24 MB on die L3 cache 2-way HyperThreading (8 threads per chip) 2 DDR3 memory controllers 34 GB/s QuickPath Interconnect 96 GB/s aggregate It's a very modern chip with serious performance, especially on floating point workloads, as has always been the case with Itanium. Wikipedia has plenty of information on IA64/Itanium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Architecture -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d525180.4030...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Could the Release Notes include a component that matches CPU model with appropriate distribution version? Many 64 bit CPU's exist, but it can be difficult to determine whether they should have the i386 (which no longer works with the i386, from the Release Notes, and so should be renamed) or the amd64 version of the distribution, installed. Some people may know the answer, but, for the rest of us, we are just left in the dark. For example the (relatively) new range of CPU's (which are prbably now out of date), that are the I range, eg, I3, I5, I7, are (I believe) 64 bit CPU's, but the Release Notes do not indicate whether these should have the 32 bit or the 64 bit version of the districbution, installed. So, it would be useful for the Release Notes to include a list of CPU's, and show which is the appropriate version of the distribution, for each CPU model. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1102091336370.5...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On 08/02/11 16:12, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Jerome BENOIT put forth on 2/8/2011 8:04 AM: who does play with Itanium box ? expert or newbie ? Old Itanium boxen are often sold on Ebay very cheap, same with SPARC, etc, and discarded by universities, etc. These are what some newbies play with. You never know for sure if the OP doesn't state specs up front, as in this case. This is why it's best to always ask. For instance here's an IBM dual CPU Itanium for $350 USD with 16GB RAM. The memory alone is almost worth the price: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-XSERIES-X382-2U-ITANIUM2-1-4GHz-x2-16GB-73GB-x2-/360339407612?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item53e5e702fc One with quad 1.5GHz CPUs for $400 USD: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-XSERIES-455-8855-3RX-4U-ITANIUM2-1-5GHz-x4-73GBx2-/360339401893?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item53e5e6eca5 http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-ZX6000-Workstation-Server-dual-1-5GHz-Itanium2-8GB-/230579863369?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item35afa17f49 Many many more for sale. my mistake: I forgot than as newbie I could done what may sound totally unreasonable today. Did you not see the post yesterday by a newbie who bought an old Sun uSPARC IIIi box and couldn't get the iSCSI PCI-X HBA working with Debian, because Qlogic doesn't produce SPARC/Linux binaries of their utils kit? I missed it. Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5172d1.6040...@rezozer.net
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 8:20 AM: > I'll give you a (virtual) beer if the OP has an Itanium box. It's happened at least twice in two years on this list that an OP was told to use AMD64 when he had an Itanium box, simply because the OP asked without providing details, as in this case, and was told "use AMD64". The odds this cat has an Itanium box are less than 1% but we should ask when details aren't given, before giving an answer. Or we can just wait for the OP to come back and say "This ISO doesn't work", which is what happened the two times I recall. :) -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d515edd.4090...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Jerome BENOIT put forth on 2/8/2011 8:04 AM: > who does play with Itanium box ? > expert or newbie ? Old Itanium boxen are often sold on Ebay very cheap, same with SPARC, etc, and discarded by universities, etc. These are what some newbies play with. You never know for sure if the OP doesn't state specs up front, as in this case. This is why it's best to always ask. For instance here's an IBM dual CPU Itanium for $350 USD with 16GB RAM. The memory alone is almost worth the price: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-XSERIES-X382-2U-ITANIUM2-1-4GHz-x2-16GB-73GB-x2-/360339407612?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item53e5e702fc One with quad 1.5GHz CPUs for $400 USD: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-XSERIES-455-8855-3RX-4U-ITANIUM2-1-5GHz-x4-73GBx2-/360339401893?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item53e5e6eca5 http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-ZX6000-Workstation-Server-dual-1-5GHz-Itanium2-8GB-/230579863369?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item35afa17f49 Many many more for sale. Did you not see the post yesterday by a newbie who bought an old Sun uSPARC IIIi box and couldn't get the iSCSI PCI-X HBA working with Debian, because Qlogic doesn't produce SPARC/Linux binaries of their utils kit? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d515d76.5020...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 07:53:23AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > > >> On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: > > > >>> which version for intel chipset 64bit? > > > > (...) > > > >> amd64 > > > > Or i386, that's up to the user ;-) > > Neither of these is correct if he has an Itanium box, in which case he needs > the > IA64 distro. The OP's question was vague, as Intel has two 64 bit ISAs: IA64 > and x86-64 (the latter called EM64T/Intel64/etc by Intel, depending on the > mood > of their marketing department on a given day/week/month/year--why I despise > marketing people). IIRC, i386 should work fine whichever style of 64-bit it is. However, one of the reasons why Intel switched from IA64 to AMD64 was that IA64 is terrible at executing 32-bit code. > > -- > Stan > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d514ad3.5000...@hardwarefreak.com > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 07:53:23 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: >> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> >>> On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: >> >>>> which version for intel chipset 64bit? >> >> (...) >> >>> amd64 >> >> Or i386, that's up to the user ;-) > > Neither of these is correct if he has an Itanium box, in which case he > needs the IA64 distro. (...) I'll give you a (virtual) beer if the OP has an Itanium box. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.08.14.20...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
who does play with Itanium box ? expert or newbie ? On 08/02/11 14:53, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: which version for intel chipset 64bit? (...) amd64 Or i386, that's up to the user ;-) Neither of these is correct if he has an Itanium box, in which case he needs the IA64 distro. The OP's question was vague, as Intel has two 64 bit ISAs: IA64 and x86-64 (the latter called EM64T/Intel64/etc by Intel, depending on the mood of their marketing department on a given day/week/month/year--why I despise marketing people). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d514d59.4010...@rezozer.net
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
Camaleón put forth on 2/8/2011 4:55 AM: > On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > >> On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: > >>> which version for intel chipset 64bit? > > (...) > >> amd64 > > Or i386, that's up to the user ;-) Neither of these is correct if he has an Itanium box, in which case he needs the IA64 distro. The OP's question was vague, as Intel has two 64 bit ISAs: IA64 and x86-64 (the latter called EM64T/Intel64/etc by Intel, depending on the mood of their marketing department on a given day/week/month/year--why I despise marketing people). -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d514ad3.5000...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:34:33 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: >> which version for intel chipset 64bit? (...) > amd64 Or i386, that's up to the user ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.08.10.55...@gmail.com
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
thank you On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > amd64 > > On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: > >>* amd64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/> >>* armel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/armel/iso-dvd/> >>* kfreebsd-i386 >> <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/> >>* kfreebsd-amd64 >> <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-dvd/> >>* i386 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/> >>* ia64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/ia64/iso-dvd/> >>* mips <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mips/iso-dvd/> >>* mipsel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mipsel/iso-dvd/> >>* powerpc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/> >>* sparc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/sparc/iso-dvd/> >>* s390 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/s390/iso-dvd/> >>* source <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/source/iso-dvd/> >>* multi-arch >> <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/> >> >> >> which version for intel chipset 64bit? >> > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d511c39.7020...@rezozer.net > >
Re: which version for intel chipset 64bit
amd64 On 08/02/11 11:30, hamed hosseini wrote: * amd64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/> * armel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/armel/iso-dvd/> * kfreebsd-i386 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/> * kfreebsd-amd64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-dvd/> * i386 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/> * ia64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/ia64/iso-dvd/> * mips <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mips/iso-dvd/> * mipsel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mipsel/iso-dvd/> * powerpc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/> * sparc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/sparc/iso-dvd/> * s390 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/s390/iso-dvd/> * source <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/source/iso-dvd/> * multi-arch <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/> which version for intel chipset 64bit? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d511c39.7020...@rezozer.net
which version for intel chipset 64bit
- amd64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/> - armel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/armel/iso-dvd/> - kfreebsd-i386<http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/> - kfreebsd-amd64<http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-dvd/> - i386 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-dvd/> - ia64 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/ia64/iso-dvd/> - mips <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mips/iso-dvd/> - mipsel <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/mipsel/iso-dvd/> - powerpc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/> - sparc <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/sparc/iso-dvd/> - s390 <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/s390/iso-dvd/> - source <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/source/iso-dvd/> - multi-arch<http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/> which version for intel chipset 64bit?
