Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:04:24 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Note that it can be asked at installation time, if you do not use the > default "question level". In expert mode, it will ask you if you want > to enable contrib and/or non-free. I think that behavior is strange: > people who use the expert mode are able to modify the sources.list > file, but obviously people who are doing their 1st debian install are > not, and they will not select the expert install. > > A beginner to Debian is not likely to begin with a non-graphical installation, just as if I wanted to learn Red Hat to build a server, I wouldn't dive straight into a command-line installation. Synaptic has a repository dialogue box with tick-box options, and the ability to add repositories by name when you know enough to do so. Synaptic updates sources.list because it must, because it is part of the apt family and must not get into a state which is inconsistent with the other members. It has always been possible to switch freely between apt-get, aptitude and synaptic, and none of them will run while another is already running. They all lock and use the same package database, and the same repository list. One notable difference: the default synaptic upgrade is a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade, the command line defaults are both safe-upgrades. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131015190417.4263a...@jretrading.com
Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
Le 14.10.2013 21:37, Konrad Neitzel a écrit : Hi! On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 13:57 -0500, Catherine Gramze wrote: We need to know first if Larry has a successfully running Debian installation, and if so, is it Wheezy, Jessie, Squeeze or Sid? I think Larry needs some help to modify his sources.list file to include the non-free repository. I know any Debian installation I have done does not include the non-free repository by default. Once he has that done he can use synaptic to update and then retry to install Flash from there. Note that it can be asked at installation time, if you do not use the default "question level". In expert mode, it will ask you if you want to enable contrib and/or non-free. I think that behavior is strange: people who use the expert mode are able to modify the sources.list file, but obviously people who are doing their 1st debian install are not, and they will not select the expert install. So, Larry: there should be a file /etc/apt/sources.list on your Debian computer. This file will have the ftp and http addresses your computer uses to find the software that is prepackaged to run correctly on your system. Can you find this file? The non-free part is not required because the flashplugin-nonfree package is inside the contrib part. (As it is written inside the wiki!) With kind regards, Konrad contrib and non-free repos are not enabled by default installation, so the problem is the same :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/18c85300ec8c03cfa3c80e1f1ac5d...@neutralite.org
Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
Hi! On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 13:57 -0500, Catherine Gramze wrote: > We need to know first if Larry has a successfully running Debian > installation, and if so, is it Wheezy, Jessie, Squeeze or Sid? > I think Larry needs some help to modify his sources.list file to > include the non-free repository. I know any Debian installation I have > done does not include the non-free repository by default. Once he has > that done he can use synaptic to update and then retry to install Flash > from there. > So, Larry: there should be a file /etc/apt/sources.list on your > Debian computer. This file will have the ftp and http addresses your > computer uses to find the software that is prepackaged to run correctly > on your system. Can you find this file? The non-free part is not required because the flashplugin-nonfree package is inside the contrib part. (As it is written inside the wiki!) With kind regards, Konrad -- Konrad Neitzel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:19:15 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Please, lets merge the two threads into one? > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00703.html > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00705.html > > Perhaps the OP and anybody else could continue here with replying to > this request. > > _We_ users from this _user_ community still need to know what skills > the OP has got. "What" was asking "when" to install Flash, if the OP > is using Debian or Ubuntu etc. pp.. We need to know first if Larry has a successfully running Debian installation, and if so, is it Wheezy, Jessie, Squeeze or Sid? I think Larry needs some help to modify his sources.list file to include the non-free repository. I know any Debian installation I have done does not include the non-free repository by default. Once he has that done he can use synaptic to update and then retry to install Flash from there. So, Larry: there should be a file /etc/apt/sources.list on your Debian computer. This file will have the ftp and http addresses your computer uses to find the software that is prepackaged to run correctly on your system. Can you find this file? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131014135728.4eb72d62@zareason-limbo5880
Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
Please, lets merge the two threads into one? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00703.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00705.html Perhaps the OP and anybody else could continue here with replying to this request. _We_ users from this _user_ community still need to know what skills the OP has got. "What" was asking "when" to install Flash, if the OP is using Debian or Ubuntu etc. pp.. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381753155.3978.58.camel@archlinux
Re: [bulk]: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
Hi Larry! > larry mckenna hat am 14. Oktober 2013 um 12:25 > geschrieben: > > hi, you are not listening ! i can down load flash player too debian but it > will not install i get either, find supporting software or else i get ; > address not recognised, i can't install anything esle it will down load ubuntu > but it will not open and install ! larry mc kenna. > I understood what you was writing. But you have to understand: a) If you want to have flash on debian, the correct solution is to simply install the debian packages for flash. So I provided thedetails on this solution. b) if you want to go some other way (Which you shouldn't do if you do not have the knowledge that is required), then you simply have to give details: - What did you download? - What did you try to install the downloaded files? c) regarding Ubuntu: If you need help on installation of Ubuntu, you should - Ask on an ubuntu list. (On a debian list you will not find a lot of ubuntu users) - Read the documentation of ubuntu. I am quite sure that they provide step by step description on how to install ubuntu. (e.g. what file to download and how to burn them to a CD / DVD or write them to a usb stick). But please be aware that the core steps are the same and even on ubuntu you should install software from a package if a package is available and not simply download something from the net. And if you have any reaasons why you want to get it directly from the net, then provide more details. And last but not least: Try to stick to the list. That way others could help, too. (This might be a good case. Maybe we both have the feeling that the other is simply not understanding what we are writing. So maybe someone else understands both of us and might be able to help.). So please understand that I CCed this reply to the list again so you can get a better support experience. With kind regards, Konrad
Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 17:22 +1100, Charlie wrote: > HTH to show you that Debian is not responsible for Ubuntu. Debian is responsible for many package names used by Ubuntu, since Ubuntu is based on Debian snapshots. However, the OP seemingly is a newbie. I won't confuse the OP and write about flashplayer and other things, such as Debian isn't Ubuntu, so I started to give a hint, how to search for software. IMO Synaptic is very good, it's a GUI and provides to search for software groups IIRC. I suspect I confused the OP too, by using terms such as "upstream", anyway, there's a learning curve for Linux, for a newbie accustomed to nowadays Microsoft or Apple it can not be used that easy as those OSes. All the attempts to fake this Micosoft and Apple pseudo-user-friendliness are a PITA and aren't good for Linux. Indeed Ubuntu by default ships with software centre or what ever this crap is called. It's very simple, depending to the usage Linux usually is better than Microsoft and Apple, but Linux needs administration. The approach to provide an OS that fakes not to need administration does cause all the problems with Microsoft and Apple. They fake something that is impossible. Some Linux distributions try to fake it too, most worse seems to be Ubuntu and regarding to this Ubuntu ships with all it's drawbacks, but also with some advantages. May it as it be, the OP should be aware, that using Linux requires a learning curve that isn't needed for Micosoft and Apple. _And very important_ is that Linux is neither a competitor, nor a replacement to/for Microsoft and Apple. Linux, the kernel and user space for Linux, IOW the programs that can be used with Linux, are something completely different to Microsoft and Apple. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1381739176.723.81.camel@archlinux
Re: [bulk]: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
Hi Larry! On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 05:13 +0100, larry mckenna wrote: > > hi folks, finding myself in limbo directly downloaded debian only to > find i need flash player can download flash but can't install ! also > tried to download other version of ubuntu and it downloads but get > address not recognised or soft ware needs to be installed to allow > install ! i looked through your soft ware packagwe list and found a > strong snob tech speak for nerds why can you not be so eliist and name > things the ordinary 5/8 th can read ? > many thanks, common as muck larry mc kenna. I understood that you installed debian on your system and that you are missing the flash player. (Be aware that my description only covers debian! If you have ubuntu installed on your system, then the description simply does not fit!) Flash player is available on Debian. There is even a wiki page about this: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/ So you need to log in as root (which is also called System Administrator when people refer to it but the login is root). And then install the package with a command like apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (You could also use a software management tool for this task. I like to use the Synaptic Package Manager.) That should install it. If this solution does not help you, then please come back with a deeper description. Tell us, what you did e.g. how did you install debian? What kind of computer do you use. And so on. And some more hints that might be useful: a) at the beginning it might be a good idea to use the old OS and Linux at the same time. One easy way to do this is to simply install them in parallel and use grub to decide which os to start when the system boots. That way you can always use the system if you encounter any problems. (If you have a spare system, then this is not required of course!) When Linux is up and running I would try to get the old os inside a VM. VirtualBox could be used to run windows as vm. b) You found this mailing list. That is great! Here are a lot of people who really like to help you. But esp. at the beginning it might be hard to find the correct wording to describe the problems you find. If english is not your native language, then it can be really hard. So I would suggest to look around if you can find other possibilities to find help. Maybe friends of you also use Linux? Then you might talk with them. Even if they might not be experts it is great because it is easier to solve problems together. c) Also be aware that there is a lot of documentation. You might find it useful to read about Debian or Linux. Debian has the handbook which is available for free. Reading such a book will also tell you the wording that is used. (It is not an elite speaking. But each technical area has its own items which all have its name.) d) Try to get familiar with search engines like google. Often you can solve problems with a quick search (e.g. search for "debian install flash" and you will find the debian wiki page in the top mosts results). This is something I like to do to quickly find an answer. That way I do not have to wait for others to reply to my question. With kind regards, Konrad -- Konrad Neitzel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 05:13:31 +0100 "larry mckenna larrymcken...@gmail.com" sent this: >hi folks, finding myself in limbo directly downloaded debian only to find i >need flash player can download flash but can't install ! also tried to >download other version of ubuntu and it downloads but get address not >recognised or soft ware needs to be installed to allow install ! i > looked through your soft ware packagwe list and found a strong > snob tech speak for >nerds why can you not be so eliist and name things the ordinary 5/8 th > can read ? > >many thanks, common as muck larry mc kenna. You realise this is not an Ubuntu mailing list I suppose? That people here help Ubuntu users out of the kindness of their hearts and that you haven't supplied any information that anyone might hang a fix on. HTH to show you that Debian is not responsible for Ubuntu. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** As to conforming outwardly, and living your own life inwardly, I have not a very high opinion of that course.Henry David Thoreau *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131014172253.6ecd28f5@nomad
who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !
hi folks, finding myself in limbo directly downloaded debian only to find i need flash player can download flash but can't install ! also tried to download other version of ubuntu and it downloads but get address not recognised or soft ware needs to be installed to allow install ! i looked through your soft ware packagwe list and found a strong snob tech speak for nerds why can you not be so eliist and name things the ordinary 5/8 th can read ? many thanks, common as muck larry mc kenna.
