Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

[Anthony DeRobertis]

martin f krafft wrote:

>True. But I, for one, have my MUA set to honour M-F-T before R-T
>though.
>  
>
Doesn't 'r' use reply-to and 'L' use Mail-Followup-To?

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Re: DPL Debate transcripts in preparation

[Manoj Srivastava]

On 18 Mar 2006, Thaddeus H. Black stated:

> I wrote:
>> MJ Ray and I are preparing DPL Debate transcripts
>> now.  I am de-interleaving the fine chaos of the
>> Debate's Part III free-for-all line by line, producing a
>> coherently readable semantical transcript.
>
> I have just seen the color-coded DPL Debate log Manoj
> has posted [1].  It looks better than the transcript I
> was working on; and with the colors, it's probably just
> about as readable.  I had had the Part III transcript
> about 50 percent de-interleaved.  Does anyone object if
> I abandon the de-interleaving now?  It is time-consuming
> and I am not sure that we need it.  The colored log does
> the job, I think.

For the record, the transcript was created by MJ Ray using
 irc2html.scm, which he also wrote.  It would be really nice if this
 was packaged for Debian.

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Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.19.0135 +0100]:
> Presumably so you could debate the ballot itself...

... which is probably the rare case, when one could expect the
debater to ensure a proper recipient address. On the upshot, we'd
ensure that people don't accidentally publish their ballots while an
accidental failure to send a debate of the ballot itself to the
proper address would be met with an error reply and rejected.

> they did set a proper Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] though.

True. But I, for one, have my MUA set to honour M-F-T before R-T
though.

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Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

[Don Armstrong]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, martin f krafft wrote:
> Why do call for votes set
> 
>   Mail-Followup-To: debian-vote@lists.debian.org
>   Followup-To: debian-vote@lists.debian.org

Presumably so you could debate the ballot itself... they did set a
proper Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] though.


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Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

[martin f krafft]

Why do call for votes set

  Mail-Followup-To: debian-vote@lists.debian.org
  Followup-To: debian-vote@lists.debian.org

?

Could we add a filter to the debian-vote list to reject mails which
include non-empty ballots?

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Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 05:41:06PM -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 52717dc0-26e3-4337-a88b-cc2c260fcb51
> [ 2 ] Choice 1: Jeroen van Wolffelaar
> [ 6 ] Choice 2: Ari Pollak
> [ 1 ] Choice 3: Steve McIntyre
> [ 4 ] Choice 4: Anthony Towns 
> [ 3 ] Choice 5: Andreas Schuldei
> [ 8 ] Choice 6: Jonathan aka Ted Walther
> [ 5 ] Choice 7: Bill Allombert
> [ 7 ] Choice 8: None Of The Above
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Re: Question to all candidates: What to change?

[Andreas Schuldei]

* Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-18 22:29:34]:

> Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > It is really nice to think of a DPL performing miracles. If I
> > could perform a Debian-miracle I would 
> > 
> > "make Debian predictable, purpose driven and a fun and rewarding
> > context to work and spend time in."
> 
> It's clear that this requires good communication, but it's also clear 
> that several of your communications over the past year have been 
> misinterpreted in various ways, occasionally quite severely (such as 
> your role in the security team taking on new members, your motivation 
> behind wanting a GR on delegations and managing to convince an 
> ftp-master that you wanted him to replace another ftp-master).
> 
> You've since made it clear what you did mean, but how do you plan on 
> ensuring that your communications are clear and precise enough that the 
> people involved have fun rather than believing you're trying to do 
> damaging things?

Given the amount of communication that went on (one month I spend
~60h on the phone alone, talking to people about various debian
issues) three cases of misunderstandings seem quite neglectible.

I have been and will continue to listen carefully to people, be
friendly, honest and try to explain my motives and background
when suggesting something or asking questions.

I also asked native speakers or people with better writing skills
then I possess for advice and help. I will do so again in the
coming term.

/andreas


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Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

[Debian Project Secretary]

Hi,

   FIRST CALL FOR VOTES FOR THE DEBIAN PROJECT LEADER ELECTION 2006
   =  === = === === == === ==  

 Voting period starts  00:00:01 UTC on March 19th, 2006.
 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on April  8th, 2006.

This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The details of the candidate platforms can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/platforms/

HOW TO VOTE

First, read the full text of the platforms and rebuttals..

Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the
choice names.

In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in
the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your
last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 8.
You may skip numbers.  You may rank options equally (as long as all
choices X you make fall in the range 1<= X <= 8).

Make sure you have read the platforms in detail.

To vote "no, no matter what" rank "None Of The Above" as more
desirable than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of
The Above" choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable
blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the None Of
The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked
choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of
The Above choice by the voting software).

Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters
(">") that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed
(or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. 


- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
52717dc0-26e3-4337-a88b-cc2c260fcb51
[   ] Choice 1: Jeroen van Wolffelaar
[   ] Choice 2: Ari Pollak
[   ] Choice 3: Steve McIntyre
[   ] Choice 4: Anthony Towns 
[   ] Choice 5: Andreas Schuldei
[   ] Choice 6: Jonathan aka Ted Walther
[   ] Choice 7: Bill Allombert
[   ] Choice 8: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.

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Re: Questions for Jeroen van Wolffelaar and Andreas Schuldei

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:40:40PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Jeroen - you want to push for a code of conduct. You want to write 
> "insider reports". You want to act as a mediator. These tasks do not 
> require you to be DPL. Why have you not been doing them for the past 
> year?

I've been talking with some listmasters about code of conduct, and
followed Enrico's work with the Community Guidelines. Insider reports is
something that I think is useful to start, that's why I'm campaigning
with it. I've done some mediation, but that's something that really
benefits from being in a position to do so one way or the other.

In general, I've been given thought and working on these issues, with
varying results. I'd like to continue this work, which would be easier
being DPL (but not impossible without being DPL).

Getting world peace also doesn't require being DPL, and many people try,
but just being secretary of the UN makes you more effective.

--Jeroen

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Re: Q for all candidates [was Re: Question for Anthony Towns]

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 08:26:01PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote:
> > When I sent you a private mail complaining about the ad-hominem style of
> > one of your posts on -devel, you published it on your blog. Will you do
> > the same with the private mails sent you as a DPL, if you were elected ?
> 
> I'd like to know the other candidates' positions on such matters.

I won't publish mails in the open that were obviously meant to be
private. As an example of not-meant-to-be-private but private mails I
would not mind to publish: I've forwarded about half a dozen user
questions sent to ftpmaster@ or jeroen@ to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that
people there can help the person asking the question.

> Do you find such actions acceptable,

I find it unnecessary, and harming the trust people place in you or in
your office. Doctors have vowed to not publish/pass on information to
others, including the police, so that anyone can seek medical assistance
without needing to fear the police will get notified. Similarly, I'd
like people to be able to mail leader@ or myself personally, without
fearing that their complaints/issues are leaked.

This is the reason I will announce to d-d-a well in advance of actually
having leader@ forwarded to the whole DPL team, even though I expect of
all my DPL team members to apply similar rules to the private mails they
receive.

> and, if you believe in respecting people's privacy, at what point
> would the good of the project outweigh the privacy of an individual
> mailing you privately?

I don't think I can give a general guideline here, this needs to be seen
on a case-by-case basis. I don't rule out publishing / forwarding any
intentionally-private mail ever, but it will be a rare event. If
possible, I would strip personally-identifiable information before
forwarding too.

> Is there a distinction to be drawn between your own email address and
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I apply above rules to all mail I receive.

--Jeroen

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Re: Question to all candidates: What to change?

[Matthew Garrett]

Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is really nice to think of a DPL performing miracles. If I
> could perform a Debian-miracle I would 
> 
> "make Debian predictable, purpose driven and a fun and rewarding
> context to work and spend time in."

It's clear that this requires good communication, but it's also clear 
that several of your communications over the past year have been 
misinterpreted in various ways, occasionally quite severely (such as 
your role in the security team taking on new members, your motivation 
behind wanting a GR on delegations and managing to convince an 
ftp-master that you wanted him to replace another ftp-master).

You've since made it clear what you did mean, but how do you plan on 
ensuring that your communications are clear and precise enough that the 
people involved have fun rather than believing you're trying to do 
damaging things?

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Re: Question And Proposal For All Candidates

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 09:29:51PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
>One of the major problems the project has faced is the inability to take
> a stand on major philisophical issues without extensive and often pointless
> deliberation. [...]
> 
>My proposal, and related question, is that the DPL should take on a
> semi-official responsibility for this task. [...]
>
>My question, finally, to all candidates, is this: do you feel that this 
> is within the practical boundaries and limitations of the DPL's office, and
> do you think that this semi-official responsibility would facilitate
> overcoming the inertia the project has faced in the past? Would you be
> willing to take on this responsibility as DPL?

Yes on both accounts. As Anthony noted, this is also listed in the
constitution, and the power to initiate a GR is certainly one I'll
seriously consider to use, when after trying to help the discussion
along where possible, I feel further discussion wouldn't be extremely
useful anymore. Of course, any ballot will always have "Further
Discussion" anyway, in case the developers think I misjudged.

I will make sure that all serious options are considered, and seek
compromise, because it's unfortunate to have two or even more votes
about the same issue, when it's avoidable. Pushing for a vote when a
significant part of the DDs cannot identify themselves with one of the
options would be bad not only for productivity (second vote), but also
for morale. 

As a matter of fact, I was preparing with a number of others several
options for a vote, with the intent to be a decent reflection of the
most common views held, after the "Editorial changes" GR. Didn't really
work out very well for various reasons, but was at least for me a useful
experience to learn from, and has in part shaped my ideas based on which
I'm running for DPL.

--Jeroen

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Re: Question to all candidates: What to change?

[Andreas Schuldei]

* Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-11 13:20:19]:
> If you were elected tomorrow as DPL, and could only pick one thing about
> Debian to change, what would it be?

It is really nice to think of a DPL performing miracles. If I
could perform a Debian-miracle I would 

"make Debian predictable, purpose driven and a fun and rewarding
context to work and spend time in."



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Re: To all candidates: delegation process

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 08:47:16PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> As you might have noted, the Constitution does not spell out the
> process how a new delegation is made.  Would you please summarize the
> process you intend to follow if you are elected?  Thanks.

For tasks not currently under anyone's specific responsibility, I'd
describe the task, and announce the delegation on an appropriate
mailinglist. The appropriate place is depending on the importance of a
task, delegating someone to deal with a specific negotiation is
something else than a delegation of an ongoing infrastructural task. For
selection of who to delegate, I'd inquire with related delegates,
related teams, and any other stakeholders, and of course with my DPL
team -- but make the decision myself.

For tasks currently delegated, or at least, currently performed by
someone or some team, I'd leave that to the current responsibles, and
merely rubber-stamp. Where task descriptions are unclear[1], or even
disputed, I'll work on documenting that. Only when there's a very strong
reason to do otherwise, I'd do so, but that's a sort of last-resort
action, only to be done when there couldn't be an agreement any other
way.

--Jeroen

[1] Not many people know what tasks are exactly done by wanna-build
maintainer, buildd maintainers, port maintainers and ftp-masters
respectively, for example

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Re: Question to all candidates: What to change?

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:20:19PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
>> If you were elected tomorrow as DPL, and could only pick one thing about
>> Debian to change, what would it be?
>
> Make our mailinglists an enjoyable place for technical discussions.

What concrete steps would you undertake to make this a reality?  How
would being DPL enable you to do this better?

Thomas


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Re: QFAC - interest conflicts

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:06:31PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> Are there possible conflicts of interests between Debian and your "real 
> life" ($WORKPLACE, whatever)?

No.

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Re: QFAC - SPI

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:02:37PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> Is SPI important for Debian?

It's important, but there's not something wrong with it that I feel I
need to spend DPL-time on changing.

SPI is reasonable low-profile, amongst others because it's merely
infrastructural (legal, trademarks, money, possessions), and not
directly related to creating a distribution. I don't think that's a real
problem.

--Jeroen

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Re: Question to all candidates: What to change?

[Jeroen van Wolffelaar]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:20:19PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> If you were elected tomorrow as DPL, and could only pick one thing about
> Debian to change, what would it be?

Make our mailinglists an enjoyable place for technical discussions.

--Jeroen

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Re: DPL Debate transcripts in preparation

[Thaddeus H. Black]

I wrote:
> MJ Ray and I are preparing DPL Debate transcripts
> now.  I am de-interleaving the fine chaos of the
> Debate's Part III free-for-all line by line, producing a
> coherently readable semantical transcript.

I have just seen the color-coded DPL Debate log Manoj
has posted [1].  It looks better than the transcript I
was working on; and with the colors, it's probably just
about as readable.  I had had the Part III transcript
about 50 percent de-interleaved.  Does anyone object if
I abandon the de-interleaving now?  It is time-consuming
and I am not sure that we need it.  The colored log does
the job, I think.

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DPL Debate prepared questions list

[Thaddeus H. Black]

One or two of you have asked me for the list of questions I had gathered
pre-debate from you all.  After consulting with Don, I can see no reason
not to post the list now.  Here it is, for whom it interests.

So little time remains before the campaign's close, it would be
unreasonable to address these pre-debate questions to the candidates
now.  The questions are declassified for information only, because I
have been asked for them.  Candidates naturally remain free to respond
to these as to anything else on debian-vote, but no response is
expected.


PART I


Why are you running for DPL this year?
 
Do you feel that being DPL would drastically alter the work you already
do for Debian? How?

A current Debian user poses the question:  "I've been a Debian User for
around 5 years now.  I've contributed to Debian in terms of Bug Fixing,
Bug Reporting, Mailing Lists et cetera.  I too am committed to
contributing to Debian more.  I want to be a Debian Developer but the NM
process looks too time consuming; and given the long time the motivation
gets lost.  Yes, this has happened to me multiple times.  So, are we
going to have changes in the NM process to help wanna-be developers
contribute more to Debian?  Maybe a mentoring process should be a good
one.  A process which would be `fast result oriented' so that wanna-be
developers keep getting motivated to contribute to Debian?"

If you are happy to tell us: what is your religion and how will it
influence your behaviour as DPL, if at all?

Please defend your vote in the recent GFDL election, and how you think
it represents your ideas for freedom in Debian.  For reference, the
candidates' votes follow:
V: 1141 jeroen   Jeroen van Wolffelaar
V: 1243 ari  Ari Pollak
V: 2134 93samSteve McIntyre
V: 1144 ajt  Anthony Towns
V: 212- andreas  Andreas Schuldei
V: 4213 krooger  Jonathan Walther
V: 1342 ballombe Bill Allombert

Will you put more emphasis on documentation, especially of
Debian-specific software?

How easy is it for young people (age < 18) to get involved in Debian?


PART II


Over the years, we have seen a sad trend:  Whoever gets elected as
a DPL is a prominent, active member of the community.  The new DPL then
acts as he is expected for a couple of months, but soon thereafter the
interest seems to wear down, and we end up losing a valuable
contributor.  Why do you think this happens?  We know you don't have a
crystal ball, but do you think this will happen to you?  How will you
avoid it?

What do you see as the primary responsibilities of the DPL? Do you feel
that you'd like to change this at all?

The messages about the most recent developer death caused some
controversy.  How would you handle the next death if it occurs during
your term?

[ed.:  In the form originally submitted, this question was very lengthy.
Have greatly condensed it, hopefully without significantly altering its
meaning.]  Some feel that Debian, although one of the best server OSs,
remains unsuited for mission-critical applications because it adds
nothing but security updates between releases.  Debian neither upgrades
kernels nor refreshes perishable data (for spamassassin, gtk-gnutella,
gaim, etc.)  There is "volatile", but is not clear that volatile can
really be regarded as part of official Debian stable: volatile appears
to lie outside Debian's usual security regime; and in any case it
upgrades no kernels, even when kernels add important new features.  RHEL
updates between releases, and it supports its updates.  Can't we?  If we
can, then shouldn't we?  Please comment.

How do you intend to keep a positive, enthusiastic attitude (i.e.,
productive) during your tenure as DPL, and how do you intend to project
that attitude inwards to the Debian Developers and outwards to the outer
community?  How do you plan to avoid the soul-crushing
productivity-sapping effects of the nay-sayers inside and outside the
project?

Last year transparency was a hot-button issue. Do you feel that the
project as a whole has improved on this, or has the furor simply died
down? What do you think we can do better in this area, and what are your
specific plans for dealing with it?

What are your thoughts on the proposed code of conduct?

What concrete and definite goals have you set that you realistically
believe you can achieve as DPL?

Earlier, both RedHat and Suse were controlled by specific organizations.
Their development was entirely based on the body that funded it.  Only
Debian was the most widely used, unique, community driven OS.  And so is
it now.  The development model of Debian is what made it unique and
superior.  Now since RedHat (Fedora) and Suse (OpenSuse) are following
the

Logs from the DPL debate posted, and a draft ballot

[Debian Project Secretary]

Hi folks,

The platforms for the candidates for the project leader are
 available as links on the page http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_002
 or, http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/platforms/. The rebuttals are
 also in place.

Thanks to stellar efforts on the part of Don Armstrong, David
 Nusinow, Thaddeus H. Black, Martin-Éric Racine, and MJ Ray, the
 Debian project leader debates went off with impressive smoothness and
 dispatch. I would like to thank them, and others who helped, on
 behalf of the project.

A transcript of the debate can be found at=20
 http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/suppl_002_debate>, also linked
 from the top page at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_002

The following is a ***DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT*** ballot for the
 upcoming elections. There has been one minor change since the last
 draft, based on feedback on ITC.

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 Votinge period starts 00:00:01 UTC on March 19th, 2006.
 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on April  8th, 2006.

This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The details of the candidate platforms can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/platforms/

HOW TO VOTE

First, read the full text of the platforms and rebuttals..

Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the
choice names.

In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in
the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your
last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 8.
You may skip numbers.  You may rank options equally (as long as all
choices X you make fall in the range 1<= X <= 8).

Make sure you have read the platforms in detail.

To vote "no, no matter what" rank "None Of The Above" as more
desirable than the unacceptable choices, or You may rank the "None Of
The Above" choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable
blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the None Of
The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked
choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of
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[   ] Choice 1: Jeroen van Wolffelaar
[   ] Choice 2: Ari Pollak
[   ] Choice 3: Steve McIntyre
[   ] Choice 4: Anthony Towns 
[   ] Choice 5: Andreas Schuldei
[   ] Choice 6: Jonathan aka Ted Walther
[   ] Choice 7: Bill Allombert
[   ] Choice 8: None Of The Above
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DPL Debate transcripts in preparation

[Thaddeus H. Black]

MJ Ray and I are preparing DPL Debate transcripts
now.  I am de-interleaving the fine chaos of the
Debate's Part III free-for-all line by line, producing a
coherently readable semantical transcript.  When done
de-interleaving, I should give the candidates 24 hours
to review and comment (regrettably not enough time, but
one oughtn't to hold the transcripts back any longer
than that).  This presumably means that the DPL voting
period will start before the official DPL Debate logs
can be posted.

For the impatient, Don Armstrong has temporarily posted
the raw logs of all four debate IRC channels at


http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/debian_dpl_{candidates,moderation,discuss,debate}_2006_03_16

You can read the Debate logs in raw form now there.

On a side note:  The debate panel (David Nusinow,
Martin-Eric Racine and MJ Ray) and I very much
appreciated the many high-quality questions you who
attended the debate fed us live, no less than we
appreciated the thoughtful questions you had e-mailed me
in advance.  The limited time available made it
impossible for us to inject into the live debate more
than a fraction of the questions asked.  No question was
purposely ignored, but I have little doubt that several
questions were inadvertently lost in the chaos.  Live,
it went like about like this:  Martin-Eric (with some
help from me) grabbed as many questions as the panel's
human bandwidth could handle off #debian-dpl-discuss,
pasting directly into the panel's back channel.  The
panel discussed each question with extreme brevity; then
the questions the panel seemed to think most appropriate
and timely, Martin-Eric and I fed directly to the
debate's moderator Don Armstrong.  Most such questions,
Don asked the candidates immediately or at the earliest
available opportunity (and when opportunity arose, Don
asked questions off the pre-debate list, too).  David
monitored #debian-dpl-debate, throttling the panel's
bandwidth to Don to keep us from overrunning him; and
also condensed and reworded questions where needed, and
combined similar questions.  I saved some untimely
questions aside for timelier moments.  Besides serving
on the panel, MJ kept busy managing needed parts of the
debate's technical infrastructure.  Trolls we ignored,
of course, but there seemed to be little of that in any
case.  That's more or less how it went.  If your
question was not asked, these would be the only reasons
why.

-- 
Thaddeus H. Black
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Blacksburg, Virginia 24060, USA
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