Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006
* Anthony DeRobertis [Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:44:46 -0500]: > Doesn't 'r' use reply-to and 'L' use Mail-Followup-To? Yes. I don't know him but me, I map 'r' to 'L' (iow, use M-F-T) in folders that contain list mail, so that 'r' always does the most common action, which for lists is to reply on list. This way, when reading mail, I only have to press 'r' always, except when I want a private reply, and since this is a out-of-the-norm scenario, I remember to press another key (incidentally, 'L'). Some people think this is crack, but works for me very well. Mentioning in case somebody wants to try it. :P -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org When all is summed up, a man never speaks of himself without loss; his accusations of himself are always believed; his praises never. -- Michel de Montaigne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About the DPL teams
Hi, On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > (1) Did you join the (proposed) DPL team as an endorsement of the > > candidate or the team concept, or because it seemed the best opportunity > > for you to assist Debian in the event that candidate was elected? > > Since I'm in 2 teams I have to give 2 answers : I felt the need to expand on that subject so I blogged about my views on the DPL team concept for this year. http://www.ouaza.com/wordpress/2006/03/19/revisiting-the-dpl-team-concept/ For your conveniency, here's a lynx -dump output : Revisiting the DPL team concept I have not been very much involved in this year DPL campaigning, but I'm part of two DPL teams, thus I feel the need to give my point of view on the subject. I'm not really satisfied by how the current DPL team worked out, and being on the DPL candidate team of both Jeroen and Andreas gave me the opportunity to gather information on what really happened. Also I've met Bdale yesterday and he gave me his opinion as well (and I really enjoyed that dinner. Thanks bdale!). Just for the record, I'll try to sum up what really happened: Branden had agreed to be a participant of the DPL team concept, but wasn't a major proponent of the idea. This, combined with his personal problems, explains why he didn't make use of the full potential of a DPL team. Does it invalidate the DPL team concept? No, I don't think so because the concept will evolve this year. Let's see how it can change. Both DPL teams would this year receive all the mails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This means that the members are involved from the beginning and not only on request of the leader, which means that they can pro-actively take over if they see that the DPL doesn't manage to follow up up to its expectations (which hopefully won't be needed this year). Furthermore I expect that the team would be informed of what the DPL does, so that the team can give its opinion on everything done, and prevent big errors (nobody is perfect, errors do happen). But the most important thing is that the team should not stand behind the DPL, but next to him taking initiatives, and I expect the DPL to work with the team members for the best of Debian. As such I expect the DPL to accept most of the proposals of his team if there's a consensus on it, even if he doesn't personnaly think that's it's a priority for his DPL mandate. If I am part of an elected DPL team, I will work on that basis. I do have many ideas to try, and will make proposals. I ran [1]once for the DPL election, and if you check [2]my platform, you can see that I always had ideas for Debian and you can see that I worked on several of them which are nowadays very common (such as the PTS, alioth, collaborative maintenance). I won't miss an opportunity to get the project moving forward. Links 1. http://www.debian.org/vote/2002/vote_0001 2. http://www.debian.org/vote/2002/platforms/raphael Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Question to all candidates about the NM process
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve McIntyre wrote: >That's an awkward question to answer, and I've been involved in >debates on it several times already over the last couple of years. We >need to work this out as a project; this may take quite some time >yet... I've seen this come up at Debconf 4, during the DPL debates last year, and probably has happened a number of other times. You've apparantly been involved in discussions on this several times over the years. It appears as if this issue isn't going to solve itself as years have passed with no progress. My guess is that it requires leadership to make it happen. Do you think you would provide that leadership Do any of the candidates think that they would, or is this an issue that will have to wait for someone else to take it on? If it should be someone other than the DPL, why? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEHbRx9n4qXRzy1ioRAsQwAKCHe9h8tDgjNo0Qi3DUP4pnidU2UgCeJ2Uu 2kaMhkeg7WwwxYv0fdQJBtM= =dDHf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: DPL Debate Extra Questions
Ari: What will the cabal do to heat its coffee without flamewars? I don't know, you'll have to ask the cabal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DPL Debate Extra Questions
* Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 02:15]: > I don't know if the candidates wish to answer these outside of the > campaign period or not, but if they wish to, feel free. I hope they will collectively agree not to. Surely 3 weeks of questions should be enough for all of us. Some of these questions are really interesting and I encourage everyone to think about them, but if people wanted specific answers from the candidates they should have asked earlier. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DPL Debate Extra Questions
I don't know if the candidates wish to answer these outside of the campaign period or not, but if they wish to, feel free. [For some reason we always seem to have a traditional moratorium on answering questions during the voting period... never quite figured out why.] Jeroen: How will you personally work to increase the transparency of Debian? What do you plan to do to increase the communication between Developers? How do you plan to increase the visibility in the media? Steve: How do you see the code of conduct being developed in Debian? How are you going to get buy in of developers? How do you plan to select for social skills in NM and/or address the lack of AM time issue with teams? [One of the critical issues with teams is that no one is directly "at fault"...] Anthony Towns: How do you plan on helping Developers to recognize the need to recruit more members to join teams that are overburdened? [What will overcome the chicken and egg problem?] More, better, faster; what do you think everyday contributors who aren't RMs or on ftpmaster should be doing to increase the pace of Debian? How do you plan on helping them do that? Andreas Schuldei: What do you see as the lessons to learn from the teams that maintain services that the Developers? How do you see these lessons being implemented? What do is going to be different about the DPL team this year as opposed to last year? [Beyond the different members, of course.] Bill Allombe: How do you plan to implement the assistant projects? What are some of the areas that you feel Debian could benifit with having observers in? What do you see as being different in your plans to address the communiation problem from the other candidates? Ted Walther: What has changed this year in your canidacy over last year? Ari: What will the cabal do to heat its coffee without flamewars? Don Armstrong -- CNN/Reuters: News reports have filtered out early this morning that US forces have swooped on an Iraqi Primary School and detained 6th Grade teacher Mohammed Al-Hazar. Sources indicate that, when arrested, Al-Hazar was in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square and a calculator. US President George W Bush argued that this was clear and overwhelming evidence that Iraq indeed possessed weapons of maths instruction. http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question for the DPL Teams
Apologies for not getting to this in the campaign period; since I'm not standing for DPL, I'm going to assume it's still kosher for me to answer now. On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:22:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > So this is for the members of the various DPL teams. > (1) Did you join the (proposed) DPL team as an endorsement of the > candidate or the team concept, or because it seemed the best opportunity > for you to assist Debian in the event that candidate was elected? I was asked by both Jeroen and Andreas to serve on their DPL team if elected, and agreed because I think it's a worthwhile thing for me to do: not necessarily because I think there needs to be a designated "DPL Team" per se, but that in general I think making myself available to the DPL for advice and assistance is worthwhile. If called upon I certainly expect to make myself available in this manner to whoever's elected, whether or not they believe in a formal team structure. As such, agreeing to participate in the DPL team is not intended as an endorsement of any particular candidate. I think that if developers like the DPL Team idea and want to vote for a candidate for that reason, that's great, but I think candidates should stand and fall on their own merits rather than being propped up by the identity of their advisors. For this reason, I've consciously avoided being linked to the campaign process as much as possible, both last year and this year. > (2) Should one of the other candidates be elected, do you expect to > contribute as much as you would if your DPL team won? If not, what > contributions do you feel you wouldn't be in a position to make? What, > if anything, could the other DPL candidates or the project in general > do to encourage your contribution? I think it's a fair bet that my involvement in Debian is going to be pretty constant regardless of which candidate wins, seeing how I'm pretty much at saturation... For the most part, I think the contributions I would make within the context of project political leadership would largely depend on how much the DPL candidate in question chose to involve me. F'rinstance, you and I chat a fair deal on IRC about project matters, which I imagine would be likely to continue if you were wearing the DPL mantle. > (3) Will you all be going to debconf6 in Mexico, and can we therefore > expect you to flip a coin to see who gets Steve and Raphael for an > exciting game of five-a-side football or ultimate frisbee? Yes, but only if Manoj referees. > (4) When asked about why things didn't work last year, both Andreas [0] > and Jeroen [1] seem to have mostly pointed to Branden not doing things > that, if elected, they will. What, if anything, will you do this year > as a member of a new DPL team to provide the new DPL with more support > than Branden had? Honestly, I don't think there's going to be much proactive difference on my part. If the DPL wishes to avail himself of me, then I'll be here; but I think the role of "DPL team member" only has as much significance as the DPL assigns it. > (5) How would you rate the importance of your participation on the DPL > team compared to your other roles in Debian? Pretty low. I made it clear last year that my participation was conditional on the understanding that it was likely to be the first thing I'd cut if I found myself overcommitted. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
