Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 01:19:27PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx - Debian Project Secretary wrote: Hi, The nomination period has ended and we're now in the campaigning period. We have 2 candidates: - Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org - Steve McIntyre 93...@debian.org The page at http://www.debian.org/vote/2009/vote_001 has been updated. The platforms for these candidates shall be published as soon as they are available. I'm currently still waiting for them. Please send them as soon as possible. The platforms are now available at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2009/platforms/ Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
On Sun Mar 08 23:40, MJ Ray wrote: How about Shepherds Bush (Central line)? How about accepting that he is the gender-neutral pronoun in English? -- Matthew Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: How about accepting that he is the gender-neutral pronoun in English? Because that's not true; “he” is a male-gender pronoun. The pronoun “he” is sometimes awkwardly and explicitly defined for gender-neutral use in specific cases, but it's never the case that “he” is by default understood to be gender-neutral. The English gender-neutral singular pronoun for people, if such a pronoun exists in English, is “they”. If someone disagrees, they are welcome to fight the tide and historical usage, but I think they are fooling themselves. -- \ “Reichel's Law: A body on vacation tends to remain on vacation | `\unless acted upon by an outside force.” —Carol Reichel | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
ma, 2009-03-09 kello 19:37 +1100, Ben Finney kirjoitti: Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: How about accepting that he is the gender-neutral pronoun in English? Because that's not true; “he” is a male-gender pronoun. While I agree with Ben, perhaps we could retire this, the 12765th iteration of this discussion, in favor of having a discussion about platforms and some QA with the candidates? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the debates useful. http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe Having this run for 7 days now, we had 72 participants. The question asked was Are the Debian DPL IRC Debates useful and should we keep them? and people could chose Yes, No, I don't care, never looked at one. and we have Yes 34 No 32 Don't care 12 From that one can chose Yes as a final winning option, but it is a very tiny margin. And some people did select Yes and No together. -- bye, Joerg But i don't think that we talk a lot, as far as i can see, you live in the USA. Australia. Only minor details like timezone and hemisphere but pretty much the same. TZ is UTC+10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
l...@liw.fi wrote: While I agree with Ben, perhaps we could retire this, the 12765th iteration of this discussion, in favor of having a discussion about platforms and some QA with the candidates? Maybe this is a good time to ask the candidates what is their position wrt this PC bullshit. So candidates, what do you think about this? -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:39:46PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Maybe this is a good time to ask the candidates what is their position
wrt this PC bullshit.
So candidates, what do you think about this?
[ Just assuming this was a serious question, otherwise shame on me for
keeping this thread alive. ]
1) It costs nothing to fix the text for the next time: it is de facto
boilerplate.
2) It costs nothing in the future to take the request in private with
the poster, to avoid bothering readers with the 12767th iteration
(2 more after Lars wise suggestion) of this discussions.
Note how (1) was fixed a dozen posts ago, with Kurt's prompt reply.
Cheers.
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sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime
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Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:39:46PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: l...@liw.fi wrote: While I agree with Ben, perhaps we could retire this, the 12765th iteration of this discussion, in favor of having a discussion about platforms and some QA with the candidates? Maybe this is a good time to ask the candidates what is their position wrt this PC bullshit. So candidates, what do you think about this? Not that I think this is a particularly important issue, but... My main problem with using he etc. as gender-neutral prononuns is that it sounds really old-fashioned, in en_GB at least. I'm also unconvinced by the new made-up sie, hir, etc. as they're just too uncommon: they sound awkward and the vast majority of English speakers will have no understanding of them, making them pointless. So, both intentionally and by default, I use they and them to cover both singular and plural cases. Some people may complain that they believe singular they to be invalid, but I don't care. English as a language is defined by usage, not by pedants making up and following arbitrary rules. There are lots of discussions of this topic on the net (e.g. [1],[2],[3]), so I'm not going to spend any more effort on it myself. [1] http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-the2.htm [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they [3] http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/austheir.html -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com I've only once written 'SQL is my bitch' in a comment. But that code is in use on a military site... -- Simon Booth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.
MJ Ray wrote: That treads on the singular they landmine. Also, it sounds like it's the Debian Developer's validity in question. How about Debian Developers may nominate themselves by sending a signed email to debian-vote@lists.debian.org? How about: To be valid, a Debian Developer can send a signed email nominating oneself to the debian-vote@lists.debian.org lists? http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oneself Also see: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:English_inflection#Forms_of_pronouns According to this page, themself is singular and themselves is plural. The http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/themself pages says According to many this is incorrect and its use should be avoided, however it is also noted to have been in common use for hundreds of years. The issue stems from they http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they which is used as a gender-neutral third-person pronoun, though this use is also considered non standard. More information can be found at the usage notes http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Usage_notes on that page. Personally I don't really care - it is up to the author to decide. I just haven't seen anybody discredit oneself for the job yet ;-). -- Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
