Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, Mar 18 2009, Joseph Nahmias wrote:


> 1 - What is an appropriate reserve level for the project?
>
> 2 - How should funds above that level be allocated?

  3 - Should these decisions be made by the DPL acting alone, or
  should that be left to the project membership deciding
  collectively? 

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Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG

[Kurt Roeckx]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:50:45AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Dear developers,
> 
> I respectfully submit this general resolution proposal to your consideration.

Please make clear what is part of the proposal and what is not.


Kurt


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Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG

[Joerg Jaspert]

> Of course, had the FTP master rejected packages under the AGPL from the
> archive, I would not have bothered with a GR. However I would like this
> GR to be considered independently of the FTP master resolution. They are
> not the target, the AGPL is.

It is not seperate. You do want to override a decision from us, which is
that the AGPL is fine for packages in our archive. You do want Debian to
decide that this is not true and the AGPL is not ok.

Fine, have it, if you find seconders, but clearly name it after what it
is please.


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Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG

[Russ Allbery]

Bill Allombert  writes:

> I proposed my resolution explicitly under 4.1.5, not under 4.1.3.  The
> purpose of this GR is to take a public stance whether or not the AGPL
> meet DFSG.
>
> I am pretty confident that the FTP master will comply with the outcome
> of such determination, and I think it would be uselessly confrontational
> to draft it as overriding them.

I believe that you're mistaken in your belief that it's less
confrontational to override their decision without saying so.  However, I
will defer to the FTP team; if they see this distinction and agree with
it, I withdraw my objection.

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Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG

[Bill Allombert]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:32:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bill, could you please change the GR to explicitly say that it's
> overriding a delegate decision so that it's clear in its implications and
> motivation?

I proposed my resolution explicitly under 4.1.5, not under 4.1.3.
The purpose of this GR is to take a public stance whether or not the
AGPL meet DFSG.

I am pretty confident that the FTP master will comply with the outcome
of such determination, and I think it would be uselessly confrontational
to draft it as overriding them.

My view is that the FTP masters are delegated the power to decide 
which software belong in the archive at any given time. They are also
required to make this determination in a limited timeframe and with
limited resource than might be insufficient for the most complex issues.
As long as this proposal is not calling explicitely for packages
such-and-such to be moved in or out of the archive, it does not
override them.

Of course, had the FTP master rejected packages under the AGPL from the
archive, I would not have bothered with a GR. However I would like this
GR to be considered independently of the FTP master resolution. They are
not the target, the AGPL is.

(For those of you who believe in Montesquieu separation of powers, the FTP
masters delegated power is executive while a GR under 4.1.5 is legislative.
For the others, thanks for reading so far.)

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Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 01:19:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I like a lot Stefano's statement about collaborative maintainance:
> "Collaborative maintenance should not be mandatory (we do have
> several very efficient one-man-band developers), but should be our
> default".
> 
> First of all, I would be interested to know if it is a point of
> divergence between the candidates. Then, if there is interest for
> such a discussion, I would like to encourage you to develop your
> ideas on this subject, especially on what you can do as a DPL or DPL
> assistant.

Of course I'm not diverging with myself :-)

What I would do if the times will come, is to get in touch with NM
people. My proposal would be to add a "join a team" entry as one of
the *recommended* step in our join checklists.

That would be a first way of making the default I've mentioned in my
platform becoming reality. Applicants would not be required to do so,
but most of them will consider the option. The benefits would be
several:

- more sound recommendations when the time comes for DDs to support
  DM/DD applications

- more (implicit, de facto) testing of the "social skills" of
  applicants, as opposed as technical skills *only*

- give a reason to teams to declare and organize themselves
  in structures like wiki.d.o/Teams.

  In the end, that page can become an entry point where applicants
  look for ways to help that matches their interests. IMO it would be
  way better than pointing to the absolutely chaotic WNPP pages, they
  just scare newbies away.

I hope that all this explain a bit more my position on the topic.
If not, feel free to ask more detailed questions.

Cheers.

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