Question: Why do you [not] candidate?
Hello, The question seems very simple: Why do you [not] candidate?, but I'm looking more about: - Why only two candidates ? - Is it good for campaign and discussions? - Why so low interest for DPL? ciao cate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Frans Pop wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > Replace clause c with "c) if a year has passed, starting from the > > proposal of a general resolution, without any proposal receiving the > > required number of seconds, then this resolution expires and the > > required number of seconds returns to K." > > Although I understand where this is coming from, I have fairly strong > reservations about coding something like this in the constitution. For > one thing at some point we'd need yet another GR to revert the text to > its old form if the "experiment" were to fail. I don't understand: the motivation for my amendments is to avoid having yet another GR if the experiment were to fail... because if the experiment fails, that means we don't have a viable GR process, which means we're stuck and are responsible for running the project aground. I've been there, done that and want to avoid it here. If the experiment succeeds (GR-2Q or whatever works fine), then it needs another GR to make the increased seconding more permanent, but that's as trivial as a GR can be. The argument will be over and it'll be a simple evidence-based decision IMO. Hope that explains, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 06:38:30PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:52:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 08:43:16AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > > AMENDMENT START > > > > > > Replace "too small" with "thought to be too small, but there is a > > > lack of evidence about the correct level". > > > > > > Replace clause c with "c) if a year has passed, starting from the > > > proposal of a general resolution, without any proposal receiving the > > > required number of seconds, then this resolution expires and the > > > required number of seconds returns to K." > > > > > > AMENDMENT END > > > > Seconded. > > What exactly are you seconding? This is a proposal that modifies > *3* of the other proposals. Eh, not the way I read that. But, well, this amendment as applied to the original proposal by Jorg. -- Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
DPL 2009 election draft
Hi, This is a draft for the 2009 DPL election ballot. == Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Sunday, March 29th, 2009 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, April 11th, 2009 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions contact secret...@debian.org. The details of the candidate platforms can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2009/platforms/ HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the platforms and rebuttals. Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 3. You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1 <= X <= 3). Please read the platforms in detail. To vote "no, no matter what" rank "None Of The Above" as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of The Above" choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the None Of The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of The Above choice by the voting software). Then mail the ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed, encrypted ballot. Devotee accepts mail that either contains only an unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail (RFC 3156 compliant). - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a9ccc78e-785a-4762-a24a-ca59fe9b2dfe [ ] Choice 1: Stefano Zacchiroli [ ] Choice 2: Steve McIntyre [ ] Choice 3: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEnNM0sRBACD6OeKJJPQQerENhPdQEO2pfDWyXxSUKOd0aA3u0aApAt7Pc9w v8c7d4cBprOj0M5Jj1bMlncSCYKluaD/izSbbUjXesrLhlhFfe+qxNk0BUupMXkl Zzj7M71X+x0gKKVCMqIHaFrfAwITYaINXfa1YYR/Ppy98cjGs3sKLsB6VwCgurx4 +vUhvxig27zVsbRYGmr5EJED/A4JhYLdfYj+E5hQcxs0g5HxwUVYfEEhoRS0ggh1 jy79SnFH7irxHpwFemH3ZkNPtltJj3QKTzhSsDWBeQIrM6ni8Q9R4+oFCwIhVpug wWkAi2wl4gbHnKPn1Dz72H24WLdheTZtzs30YkaBUgqQ/SnmPHzRerTDdA4dKvTz q1VaA/wPDWsM90pcMgEFlyL8hCo93R5mfEpPQx3PXn3bkiP8Moz3RIAjY14KwETI urupOiUnQfL6jjebow3wyRmexmb7Wjw9R+iVxePVTL+lRUxK3baNuO9o4t0SuFP9 GTNxQndKyzwqdRCqUJHEJTXaEA5vII3zBpB+Dc0AwOZy9xCGfrQqRFBMIFZvdGUg MjAwOSA8bGVhZGVyMjAwOUB2b3RlLmRlYmlhbi5vcmc+iGYEExECACYFAknNM0sC GwMFCQAXuwAGCwkIBwMCBBUCCAMEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBWJrUvkcuEqF/wAJ0a yAYppfddTTTjKNnuxLbbsdYtqQCgouksCxMDOgWJ62t3DJh6AkwZbQuIRgQTEQIA BgUCSc06egAKCRBB3ByQckSXC6CvAKDaNn4nS6bXPNHd54ghw14HFSyV4ACffEGD ET/Vuvc0WH63juiqb73mpVS5Ag0ESc0zSxAIAN5//g8j1sEvNz/7/0Nopi+r3HZY sRo58ewVbsnUqb6Bs1Pi3Vo/3zjliiXR3ymJzNV6sNlNwBbaYgk3AIlsTvtKqWuF UZbyTLPfDvB5OklQ699cY3gYXqalTEDo8HE2JO9Pidpw1bjzQzbFuVjHAIfrK0zu tdsWge1UnObR9venMijCTsvyoPU57c5WSP/0lzK7QmsvFtkmFCk4MbcRqumjnfXW AbSTwn8vI2Ze7DISv9KzMJWSjw9SJl4KPT9MlC9Ag3MRypsGrRyfrS6CRHf2vTlO Fjr5obeZKP6RWimJJN7eTr0j+SQnMOkxvViDOcD6z+Jf0FfPg0pCgkTm+osAAwUH /3+6UyV5bmjnno4JigM5cZ20n4vjpTTpkBAGyyApfBCVxuTJDGbYl0TRxvdmsWYV dp/ZyHsyQk3c5jNq7Il8QSCfhuRSn5trizXf1OyudS+j5UT7kj6Ad3qF6TpLvbkw Zxy4e3g0TqPWWW1G8zah/vaXt90Zx3Y9F4lpbw2vMziFN7y1mXLs0YtYGHY2sLBd Hjq1PXeG6ifzoXkSvA22f8bWQS3oqKhTZYGht7q/aE9Isk781hEJvhjV/SrM0VGh y/n/23aDdruvkv4thb4f3LQhxtAKLJ3DSIf8fGjRzfIfX9jnMhjJSPdoSpLtWScW zzS5Hj74RTRBLzFakOrasluITwQYEQIADwUCSc0zSwIbDAUJABe7AAAKCRBWJrUv kcuEqFYIAKCtVUpHkkHEm3XWnvKooxY4yzJ3DgCghtOdEUkPVR0YS02o+9Ptmact Lxs= =CFD2 -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What will improve Debian most?
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 04:49:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > Over the next twelve months, what single development/activity/project > > is going to improve Debian's value the most? By how much? How will > > you be involved? > Maybe you meant to ask "what are you going to work on over the next twelve > months that will improve Debian's value?" Because the right answer to > "what one thing is going to improve $FOO the most in the next twelve > months," for pretty much any value of $FOO, is "ask us in twelve months > and we'll tell you." Well, there was that bonus question, which asked about the previous twelve months, that I haven't seen any answers to. I'm not sure it's actually any easier to answer, tbh. Ultimately, I don't see any problem asking what people see as the biggest forthcoming improvement for Debian though; sure it's impossible to say for certain, and most people will pick something that's somewhere between the second most important thing and the hundredth. But that's still useful and interesting; and finding out what other people are focussing on in preference to what you think is most important is interesting no matter who ends up being right. FWIW, I chose the focus ("what's important, how will you help" rather than "what are you doing, why's that important") deliberately. Maybe the best thing for Debian is something that you can't work on directly -- but it can still help to identify that thing, both so the people who are working on it feel appreciated, and so people who could help if only they were aware of the challenge become aware of it and do help. > Personally, here's some things that I plan on working on over the next > twelve months that I think will improve Debian's value: > * [...] > None of these are exponential and I don't care about percentages with any > of them. I'm okay with that. I don't think those are useful measures, > and I don't think exponential growth is a useful or interesting goal. I thought about this some more, and wrote up some of those thoughts on my blog at [0]. YMMV obviously. I'd still be interested in seeing how much of an effect you think those changes will have (and for whom), FWIW. It'd be nice to know what people's actual priorities are these days, in some way that's independent from people pointing blindly at the social contract at just repeating "our users and free software". Are Debian developers mostly interested in doing things that help themselves? Other developers? People who file bugs? People in their LUGs? How about Ubuntu or Eee or Mi users? Desktop or server users? Embedded stuff? Upstream developers? Something else entirely? > One thousand people all improving the parts of Debian that they care about > produces incredibly impressive results. Yes, that's completely true. To double Debian's usefulness, 1000 people only need to individually contribute a change that improves Debian's usefulness by a little less than 0.07%. (1.000693387..^1000 = 2) If you somehow had a thousand people that each increased Debian's value by an appreciable amount, say just 1.5%, you'd get an overall 292,443,586% improvement -- that's higher than Zimbabwe's annualised inflation rate [1]. Which is to say, definitely, and I don't think that sense of things -- that a lot of people each contributing in small amounts adds up amazingly -- is incompatible with making numerical estimates. For comparison, my estimate of the value of a small speedup on m68k was a 0.2% improvement, which is already quite a bit better than the 0.07% above. If it turns out Debian's aiming for a thousand 0.07% improvements, there's no point identifying which is the 0.071% improvement and which is the 0.069% improvement; but getting an idea of the scale is still useful. Personally, as was probably implicit in my examples, I think there's at least a handful of 10% or better improvements that could happen over the next year or two. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:04:47PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I should probably note here that it looked like Anthony had carefully > phrased his question to apply to the entire project, not just the DPL > candidates, and I replied in that context. If it was intended as a DPL > candidate question, er, never mind. :) It was something that I think DPL candidates ought to be able to provide some interesting answers for; but I'm more interested in the question (or its answer) than in how particular people happen to respond to it. In other words, thanks for the answer. :) Cheers, aj [0] http://www.erisian.com.au/wordpress/2009/03/28/exponential-growth [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/09/zimbabwe signature.asc Description: Digital signature