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Re: Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements for the Debian packages.

2010-01-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Charles Plessy  wrote:

> 2) The non-free files that we remove from the upstream sources.

Is mailing upstreams or writing debian/rules get-orig-source really so
problematic that you feel this is needed? The former is usually very
little work (and should be preferred) and the latter is usually only
slightly more. Such files waste space in upstream tarballs so they
probably would appreciate being notified about that. Once they learn
about autotools 'make dist' / 'make distcheck' they can let autotools
make the tarballs to prevent sourceless Windows binaries from being
accidentally added to them.

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Re: Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements for the Debian packages.

2010-01-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Charles,

On Montag, 25. Januar 2010, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > In other words, just blatently ignore the bit of the DFSG that says
> > that programs must include source.  Well, that explains it :-/
> Yes, exactly.

Thanks for clarifying.


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Re: Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements for the Debian packages.

2010-01-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Mo, Jan 25, 2010 at 08:28:01 (CET), Luk Claes wrote:
>> Yes, exactly. In this draft GR I propose to ignore some DFSG-non-free
>> files, which includes sourceless files. Our social contract only
>> stipulates that the Debian sytstem must be DFSG-free. We already have
>> a non-free section for the non-free works that we would like to
>> distribute for the purpose of being used with the our operating
>> system. I think that our social contract also allow us to distribute
>> innert non-free files together with the source of the Debian system
>> as long as they do not take part of it.
>
> And who in their right mind do you expect to vote for ignoring DFSG
> non-freeness, people that want to leave the project?

Is this a threat or 'just' an insult?

> The source is part of the Debian system as you call it, so what it
> contains should be DFSG free.

This is your opinion/interpretation on our foundation documents. Since
Charles obviously doesn't follow here, a vote to determine consensus on
this disagreement seems appropriate.

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Re: Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements for the Debian packages.

2010-01-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:47:41PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> 2) The non-free files that we remove from the upstream sources.

Since you are a DD, I suppose you have read the social contract. What is
its first item ? Ah, yes ! "Debian will remain 100% free".

Are you suggesting a GR to change our social contract ?
If you don't like the current social contract, then why did you abide by
it ?

Mike


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