Re: is voting broken?

2010-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery 
"Jeremy T. Bouse"  writes:
> On 10/06/2010 06:56 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Craig Small  writes:

>>> : host master.debian.org[70.103.162.29] said: 550 no
>>> vote is currently running (in reply to RCPT TO command)

>> That's not the right address to which to send your votes for this GR.  The
>> GR text has the correct address.

>   Actually that's very much supposed to be the right address according to
> the CFV to get a fresh ballot... To quote the CFV email...

Oh, I'm sorry, Craig was just asking for a new ballot.  I thought he was
trying to vote (one step farther along).  Sorry about the confusion.

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Re: is voting broken?

2010-10-06 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse 
On 10/06/2010 06:56 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Craig Small  writes:
> 
>> : host master.debian.org[70.103.162.29] said: 550 no
>> vote is currently running (in reply to RCPT TO command)
> 
> That's not the right address to which to send your votes for this GR.  The
> GR text has the correct address.
> 

Actually that's very much supposed to be the right address according to
the CFV to get a fresh ballot... To quote the CFV email...


Then mail the ballot to: gr_nonpackag...@vote.debian.org.  Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed)
with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may optionally encrypt
your ballot using the public key included below.  Also, note that you can
get a fresh ballot any time by sending a mail to bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_nonpackagers"

I actually got the same response when I tried to send the email to
bal...@vote.debian.org to get a fresh ballot.



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Re: is voting broken?

2010-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery 
Craig Small  writes:

> : host master.debian.org[70.103.162.29] said: 550 no
> vote is currently running (in reply to RCPT TO command)

That's not the right address to which to send your votes for this GR.  The
GR text has the correct address.

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is voting broken?

2010-10-06 Thread Craig Small 
Hello,
  I tried to send my ballot in when I got the CFV, it bounced by the
mailserver saying I was too early. I think I was by 2 hours, not sure
why the ballot got sent out too early.

So today, I ask for another ballot because I junked the last one.
The website says:

Voting period starts  00:00:01 UTC on Tuesday, 5th Oct 2010

And the time is:
$ date -u
Wed Oct  6 22:39:39 UTC 2010

But then I get this:
[.. my mailserver blah removed ..]

: host master.debian.org[70.103.162.29] said: 550 no
vote is currently running (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Stuff Hanlon's Razor, it must be the Afghani voting system! (or
Florida's)

Anyhow, could someone fix it?

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Re: Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-06 Thread Neil McGovern 
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 03:25:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Neil McGovern  writes:
> 
> > Yes, it would. And so would expecting people to read the mail. Given
> > that there were a number (28?) sent before voting peoriod started, I'm
> > not convinced that people will actually do that. I'll be looking at
> > automating how the announcements are sent out in future to help this.
> 
> This is a very annoying workflow that makes things harder for voters.
> Can't we stop doing this?  I'd much rather see the ballot sent exactly
> when the vote is open, so that people can simply reply to it immediately
> and vote.  I'm sure I'm not the only person whose mail workflow is not
> well-designed for keeping around a message that I need to reply to at some
> set point in the future but can't reply to immediately.
> 

Yes, hence my last sentence above :)

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Re: Call for Votes - GR: Debian project members

2010-10-06 Thread Andrei Popescu 
On Ma, 05 oct 10, 15:47:05, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Bernhard R. Link  [101005 11:55]:
> > My best guess yet is that this proposal is to tell DAM that we do not oppose
> > second-class Debian Developers with less privileges, so that they may add
> > second-class DDs in the hope that this will encourage more non-packagers to
> > become DDs (albeit then second class ones).
> 
> Okay, second try after I got some replies in private discussion. Trying
> to move this to debian-vote in the hope that I am not the only one so
> slow on the uptake, so others might benefit from it:
> 
> This proposal is to tell DAM we are not opposed to having Debian
> Developers with less privileges than DDs currently get by default,
> so that DAM is more likely to implement something were people may get
> only a subset of the current initial privileges in the hope that this
> will encourage more non-packagers to become DD (with then less privileges
> than currently but in a way they do not feel like second class citizens).

I might be mistaken, since I'm not a native English speaker, but you 
seem to imply that having DDs with less "privileges" can be a bad thing. 

If my hunch was right, do you think that people might not want to join 
the Project due to the fear of becoming "second-class citizens" or are 
there some other problems that you expect?

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-06 Thread Matthew Johnson 
On Tue Oct 05 15:25, Russ Allbery wrote:
> This is a very annoying workflow that makes things harder for voters.
> Can't we stop doing this?  I'd much rather see the ballot sent exactly
> when the vote is open, so that people can simply reply to it immediately
> and vote.  I'm sure I'm not the only person whose mail workflow is not
> well-designed for keeping around a message that I need to reply to at some
> set point in the future but can't reply to immediately.

+1 (as one of the other 28 people, who didn't consider that the CFV might
before the voting actually opened)

Matt


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