Re: [Draft] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:05:33PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote: I agree that this should go out. Just, we have our community twice in the text. punAny linguistic expertise with us we could possibly welcome?/pun LOL Anyway, it sounds strange enough to me to suggest substituting the first occurrence with just us. And, since we also want new contributors to also interact constructively between themselves, and since to me it is somewhat redundant in the first place, I would even feel inclined to remove the with our community. I'm not sure about removing the with our community, but as this is a style problem (and not a content one) I'd postpone the discussion on it (asking for proofread on -l10n-english) after the vote. I can't agree with this. The wording of position statements matters - what we ratify should be posted word for word on the website. But I also think the crowdsourced review on debian-project has already been more than sufficient and don't think there's any point in further proofreading on -l10n-english. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
This one time, at band camp, Francesca Ciceri said: TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE Seconded. Thanks, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org | - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
Francesca Ciceri wrote: TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE Seconded -- .''`.The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are : :' :strong at the broken places.- Ernest Hemingway `. `' `-Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote: TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE Seconded Best regards Jan Dittberner -- Jan Dittberner - Debian Developer GPG-key: 4096R/558FB8DD 2009-05-10 B2FF 1D95 CE8F 7A22 DF4C F09B A73E 0055 558F B8DD http://ddportfolio.debian.net/ - http://people.debian.org/~jandd/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:32:41PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote: TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE I know we've long passed the threshold, but: seconded. Also, as others have pointed out: Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, once voted? A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to avoid needing a vote for every minor tweak, language improvements can be applied by the -www team as for other parts of www.d.o and more substantial changes, that do not change the spirit, can be discussed on -project. You can't do that. If it's just a statement that hasn't seen a GR, fine, then the -www team can change it. If, however, the text was decided by GR, then that's a different matter; you can't change it without another GR. Remember 2004_003? (gawd, is it that long ago already? oh well). That was about changes that according to the proposers did not change the meaning of the original text, but rather just 'clarified' it; yet it has had an enormous impact on the project as a whole, and in fact changed some of our policies. Anyway, as the FAQ is not part of the official text, it can't set the procedure for future modifications, so this is probably moot. -- The volume of a pizza of thickness a and radius z can be described by the following formula: pi zz a signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
Holas, I know I'm slightly late but still... On Montag, 7. Mai 2012, Francesca Ciceri wrote: TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE seconded! And many thanks to all who contributed to this and especially to Francesca for starting it! == FAQ == Partly NACK as others pointed out already. For translations I suggest to simply add a note The Debian Developers agreed on the English original or such. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project
I know it's late and repetitive, but still... TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community. TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE Seconded! Thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion that led to creating such a beautiful statement! It's a work of art. -- Love, Marga signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:28:31PM +0200, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt
Roeckx wrote:
A new General Resolution has been started about a diversity
statement.
More details are at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2012/vote_002
Considering that the statement contained in the GR is the result of a
fruitful and lengthy discussion on debian-project [1], I hereby reduce
the minimum discussion period for this GR to 1 week as per Constitution
§4.2.4.
Cheers.
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2012/03/msg00048.html
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: Hi, A new General Resolution has been started about a diversity statement. More details are at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2012/vote_002 Question on procedure: The initiating GR mail included the following statement Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, once voted? A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to avoid needing a vote for every minor tweak, language improvements can be applied by the -www team as for other parts of www.d.o and more substantial changes, that do not change the spirit, can be discussed on -project. Given that this statement is absent in the actual GR text to be voting on, are voters to assume it will or will not have any bearing on the outcome of the vote? Personally, I think it should not; although I'm sure opinions will vary. Given that, I don't think its possible to say one way or another. So, in order to have a definitive conclusion on this matter, shouldn't it be included in the actual GR text, or as an alternative, or as an amendment? Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANTw=MM3=2pkustn27zrnfdnnikoxsaowwnuwc76spvfww4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 05:57:40PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
So, in order to have a definitive conclusion on this matter, shouldn't
it be included in the actual GR text, or as an alternative, or as an
amendment?
The only text subject to vote is the one that will be in the GR.
Everything else is non normative.
That said, the voted text will remain accessible from
http://www.debian.org/vote/ as future memory of what the project as
voted upon, together with all other resolutions.
That would not stop to publish stuff like translations of the statement
on www.debian.org , pretty much as the fact that the Constitution itself
has been published upon hasn't (luckily!) stopped translation of it to
be published.
Similarly, and considering that the resolution procedure already takes
into account make changes to correct minor errors (for example,
typographical errors or inconsistencies) or changes which do not alter
the meaning, providing noone objects within 24 hours, I hope similar
changes could be accepted on the website if they'll ever be spotted. If
any fellow Debian Bureaucrat [1] would not consider that acceptable, I'm
pretty sure they will take the liberty to start a GR to stop the actions
of the (evil) WWW team who is trying to subvert a previous GR.
Yes, we do have a rigid Constitution that, in this particular case, is
forcing us to vote on something that was already consensual on -project.
Within that limits, let's try to keep things simple.
Cheers.
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2012/04/msg0.html
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Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement
Le Tue, May 08, 2012 at 05:57:40PM -0400, Michael Gilbert a écrit : Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, once voted? A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to avoid needing a vote for every minor tweak, language improvements can be applied by the -www team as for other parts of www.d.o and more substantial changes, that do not change the spirit, can be discussed on -project. Given that this statement is absent in the actual GR text to be voting on, are voters to assume it will or will not have any bearing on the outcome of the vote? Personally, I think it should not; although I'm sure opinions will vary. Given that, I don't think its possible to say one way or another. So, in order to have a definitive conclusion on this matter, shouldn't it be included in the actual GR text, or as an alternative, or as an amendment? Hi all, I hope that our constitution has the answer to that question. If a GR needed self-locking dispositions, that would go against the idea of having a constitution at all. My personal opinion is that for things that should not be changed apart with a GR, the Constitution offers the status of Foundation Document. So if the diversity statement is not a foundation document, I do not see what would forbid to change it after the GR. One problem is that the defintion of position statements about issues of the day (section 4.1.5) is not clear. Much of the driving force for this GR to be voted is its ceremonial aspect, otherwise we would be also voting on Debian's Posiiton on Software Patents, and would be digging our past decistions to see if in retrospect they need a GR as well (I am not advocating that). If a position statement is more somthing like official press releases than a law, then there would be no problem changing the diversity statement as long as it is not in a way that suggests that the updated version is the one voted in 2012. Perhaps native speakers, experienced members, or our Secretary can clarify what position statements about issues of the day means, and what is the consequence of having issues of the day limiting position statements. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508222110.gb32...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: General Resolution: Diversity statement
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:15:42AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
That would not stop to publish stuff like translations of the statement
on www.debian.org , pretty much as the fact that the Constitution itself
has been published upon hasn't (luckily!) stopped translation of it to
^
voted
be published.
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