Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian
Thomas Goirand writes: > Hoping that this will help others to understand better what's going on > and know what we are at today. Thank you for the update, Thomas. Bdale pgpGP9stzQaFl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian
On 01/23/2014 07:58 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > Perhaps the way out is to solve the technical problem regarding the Essential > flag so that it is easier to install systemd, upstart or openrc, and defer a > decision untill the call for change comes from enough maintainers of init > scripts saying that they want to stop supporting it. Charles, Have you even TRIED OpenRC? There's no need to change any Essential flag in any Debian package to make it more easy to install... Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e7d969.3050...@debian.org
Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian
On 01/28/2014 03:39 AM, Guillem Jover wrote: > Option D > > * Switch to sysvinit + OpenRC wherever available. > - architectures where OpenRC is not currently available will switch > whenever OpenRC has been ported, retaining their current default > in the meantime. > - a reimplementation of OpenRC, providing the same interfaces to > the wider system, would satisfy the criteria above. I'm bothered by this phrasing. The "wherever available" doesn't sound appropriate to me. This shows that the writer didn't have all the information in his hands when writing this text. So I think I should explain what's the current status of OpenRC and ports. 1/ kFreeBSD For kFreeBSD, it "just works" (minus some warnings about stuff not being mounted very very early in the boot which we'd have to investigate, though it doesn't seem so bad and even impacting at all, and my virtualbox VM just boots fine...). 2/ Hurd For Hurd itself, it needs some fixes to be uploaded in sysvinit. It's not well known, but Hurd doesn't support *any* init system at all right now, it's only in the process of doing so. I wonder why it's taking so long to have the patches applied by the way (it's been waiting in the BTS since early September 2013). So Hurd *will* support sysv-rc & OpenRC *soon* if someone decides to fix sysvinit. Though OpenRC in Hurd itself is ok already. See #721917 if you want to know more. Once that bug is fixed, then we just need #736636 to be solved (with the attached patch). Since #721917 is blocking, and that it's taking so long to have things to move, I'm not in such a hurry to have the new patch in #736636 uploaded (the bug committer just got his access on the new OpenRC project on Alioth and will do the work by himself). 3/ Conclusion So, all together, I think it's reasonable to say that *we do* have OpenRC support on all platforms, and that it's only a mater of closing a few RC bugs with attached patches (so, nothing blocking). Hoping that this will help others to understand better what's going on and know what we are at today. Cheers, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52e7d07a.3030...@debian.org
Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian
Guillem Jover writes ("[Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for
Debian"):
> This is the revised draft GR proposal (please see below); I'm looking
> for sponsors now.
I would consider sponsoring a GR, but like others I would like to see
the TC vote first. And, I strongly suggest you trim down both the
number of options, and the length of the text for each option.
Ian.
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Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian
On Ma, 28 ian 14, 07:41:26, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 08:39:52PM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit : > > > > This is the revised draft GR proposal (please see below); I'm looking > > for sponsors now. > > Hi Guillem, > > if the result of the current TC vote is « further discussion », then I will > second your GR. In the meantime, it is probably better to focus our thoughts > on something else; it is only a matter of days now. According to the latest updates the TC vote is quite likely to end up with FD, but only because they want to redo the vote to allow a GR to override their decision with simple majority. Under these circumstances, why do you think it would still be a good idea to continue with the GR and not wait for the outcome of the "real" vote? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
