Re: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-02-15 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, February 15, 2014 15:06, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> I feel that if the GR results on the quoted above pool would
> be different from TC - that may affect other TC decisions.
>
> Ian, would you like to sponsor GR in this form?
>
> PS: BTW, Guillem what's a status of this GR-proposal?

With 1000 DD's there are more than enough people that can start a GR if
they feel so. It seems strange to me that non-DD's need to be asking DD's
on this list to please hold a vote amongst themselves.


Thijs


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/400a4e9fc1448296cd15bf1dd336bc25.squir...@aphrodite.kinkhorst.nl



Re: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-02-15 Thread Sergey Kirpichev
Hello,

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 06:06:12PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> > PS: BTW, Guillem what's a status of this GR-proposal?
>
> No seconds. Many objections.

Sorry, I don't see this.  Second proposal actually has
sponsors, e.g.:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/01/msg00054.html

Cc'd Ian to clarify this assertion.

> The TC has a decision.

But not a consensus on this question, they clearly
see that GR makes sense.  That's a part of their resolution:
-->8--
  Should the project pass a General Resolution before the release of
  "jessie" asserting a "position statement about issues of the day" on
  init systems, that position replaces the outcome of this vote and is
  adopted by the Technical Committee as its own decision.
-->8--

> The flame is finally smoldering out.

Then please stop flamewars.

> Can we move on as a project?

Of course.  But please don't identify only yourself with
the Debian project.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/20140215154044.ga14...@darkstar.order.hcn-strela.ru



Re: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-02-15 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 06:06:12PM +0400, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> PS: BTW, Guillem what's a status of this GR-proposal?

No seconds. Many objections.

The TC has a decision. The flame is finally smoldering out. Can we move
on as a project?

Cheers,
  Paul

-- 
 .''`.  Paul Tagliamonte   |   Proud Debian Developer
: :'  : 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352  D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87
`. `'`  http://people.debian.org/~paultag
 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag/conduct-statement.txt


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature


Re: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-02-15 Thread Sergey B Kirpichev
Matthew Vernon :
> My feeling at this stage is that the TC are best placed to make a
> decision on the technical merits of the various possible init
> replacements and how we might deploy them in Debian. Given that there
> is also a political element to this discussion, we could consider a GR
> in the light of the TC decision

But what about more simple GR, just like the pool from:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00281.html
?

> we could consider a GR
> in the light of the TC decision; pre-empting that decision would seem
> likely to result in a vast pile of duplicated flame/effort.

The TC decision about the default init is done.  But not about other
important things, like requirements/suggestions for maintainers to
support alternative inits and so on.

I feel that if the GR results on the quoted above pool would
be different from TC - that may affect other TC decisions.

Ian, would you like to sponsor GR in this form?

PS: BTW, Guillem what's a status of this GR-proposal?


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/20140215140612.ga13...@darkstar.order.hcn-strela.ru