Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution
> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: Kurt> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 09:22:46PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: >> >> >> Hi. I'd like to call for seconds on the following resolution. >> Since the previous resolution appears dead I'd like to call for >> seconds on the amendment I made to that resolution as its own >> resolution. Obviously I'm proposing the option I most favor. If >> others want to propose the original version as an amendment they >> can do so. Kurt> I'd just like the point out that it's not completly dead yet, Kurt> you still have like 5 days to object to me withdrawig it. To be clear, I think that we can make faster progress with a new resolution even if it ends up with the same ballot options as the old one. You shall see no objection from me.
Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution
* Sam Hartman , 2015-10-26, 21:22: - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1. Unfortunately, the definition of supermajorities in the SSD GR has a off-by-one error. In the new text a supermajority requirement is met only if the ratio of votes in favour to votes against is strictly greater than the supermajority ratio. In the context of the Technical Committee voting to overrule a developer that means that it takes 4 votes to overcome a single dissenter. And with a maximum committee size of 8, previously two dissenters could be outvoted by all 6 remaining members; now that is no longer possible. This change was unintentional, was contrary to the original intent of the Constitution, and is unhelpful. For the avoidance of any doubt, this change does not affect any votes (whether General Resolutions or votes in the Technical Committee) in progress at the time the change is made. Therefore, amend the Debian Constitution as follows: Index: doc/constitution.wml === --- doc/constitution.wml(revision 10982) +++ doc/constitution.wml(working copy) @@ -913,7 +913,7 @@ An option A defeats the default option D by a majority - ratio N, if V(A,D) is strictly greater than N * V(D,A). + ratio N, if V(A,D) is greater or equal to N * V(D,A) and V(A,D) is strictly greater than V(D,A). If a supermajority of S:1 is required for A, its majority ratio Constitutional Amendment: Fix duplicate section numbering. The current Debian Constitution has two sections numbered A.1. This does not currently give rise to any ambiguity but it is undesirable. Fix this with the following semantically neutral amendment: - Renumber the first section A.1 to A.0. - GENERAL RESOLUTION ENDS - Seconded. -- Jakub Wilk signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 09:22:46PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > Hi. > I'd like to call for seconds on the following resolution. > Since the previous resolution appears dead I'd like to call for seconds > on the amendment I made to that resolution as its own resolution. > Obviously I'm proposing the option I most favor. > If others want to propose the original version as an amendment they can > do so. I'd just like the point out that it's not completly dead yet, you still have like 5 days to object to me withdrawig it. Kurt
Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution
Hi Sam, thanks for this relaunch. Le lundi, 26 octobre 2015, 21.22:46 Sam Hartman a écrit : >- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - > > >Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix > >Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical >Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1. > >Unfortunately, the definition of supermajorities in the SSD GR has >an off-by-one error. In the new text a supermajority requirement is >met only if the ratio of votes in favour to votes against is strictly >greater than the supermajority ratio. > >In the context of the Technical Committee voting to overrule a >developer that means that it takes 4 votes to overcome a single >dissenter. And with a maximum committee size of 8, previously two >dissenters could be outvoted by all 6 remaining members; now that >is no longer possible. > >This change was unintentional, was contrary to the original intent >of the Constitution, and is unhelpful. > >For the avoidance of any doubt, this change does not affect any >votes (whether General Resolutions or votes in the Technical >Committee) in progress at the time the change is made. > >Therefore, amend the Debian Constitution as follows: > Index: doc/constitution.wml > === > --- doc/constitution.wml(revision 10982) > +++ doc/constitution.wml(working copy) > @@ -913,7 +913,7 @@ > > > > >An option A defeats the default option D by a >majority > > - ratio N, if V(A,D) is strictly greater than N * V(D,A). > + ratio N, if V(A,D) is greater or equal to N * V(D,A) and > V(A,D) is strictly greater than V(D,A). > > > >If a supermajority of S:1 is required for A, its >majority ratio > >Constitutional Amendment: Fix duplicate section numbering. > >The current Debian Constitution has two sections numbered A.1. >This does not currently give rise to any ambiguity but it is >undesirable. > >Fix this with the following semantically neutral amendment: > - Renumber the first section A.1 to A.0. > >- GENERAL RESOLUTION ENDS - Seconded. Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution
I second Sam's resolution below: also sprach Sam Hartman [2015-10-27 10:22 +1300]: > I'd like to call for seconds on the following resolution. > Since the previous resolution appears dead I'd like to call for seconds > on the amendment I made to that resolution as its own resolution. > Obviously I'm proposing the option I most favor. > If others want to propose the original version as an amendment they can > do so. > >- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - > > >Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix > >Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical >Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1. > >Unfortunately, the definition of supermajorities in the SSD GR has a >off-by-one error. In the new text a supermajority requirement is met >only if the ratio of votes in favour to votes against is strictly >greater than the supermajority ratio. > >In the context of the Technical Committee voting to overrule a >developer that means that it takes 4 votes to overcome a single >dissenter. And with a maximum committee size of 8, previously two >dissenters could be outvoted by all 6 remaining members; now that >is no longer possible. > >This change was unintentional, was contrary to the original intent >of the Constitution, and is unhelpful. > >For the avoidance of any doubt, this change does not affect any >votes (whether General Resolutions or votes in the Technical >Committee) in progress at the time the change is made. > >Therefore, amend the Debian Constitution as follows: > > Index: doc/constitution.wml > === > --- doc/constitution.wml(revision 10982) > +++ doc/constitution.wml(working copy) > @@ -913,7 +913,7 @@ > > >An option A defeats the default option D by a majority > - ratio N, if V(A,D) is strictly greater than N * V(D,A). > + ratio N, if V(A,D) is greater or equal to N * V(D,A) and > V(A,D) is strictly greater than V(D,A). > > >If a supermajority of S:1 is required for A, its majority > ratio > > > > > > >Constitutional Amendment: Fix duplicate section numbering. > >The current Debian Constitution has two sections numbered A.1. >This does not currently give rise to any ambiguity but it is >undesirable. > >Fix this with the following semantically neutral amendment: > > - Renumber the first section A.1 to A.0. > > >- GENERAL RESOLUTION ENDS - -- .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft : :' : proud Debian developer `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems if you see an onion ring -- answer it! digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution
Hi. I'd like to call for seconds on the following resolution. Since the previous resolution appears dead I'd like to call for seconds on the amendment I made to that resolution as its own resolution. Obviously I'm proposing the option I most favor. If others want to propose the original version as an amendment they can do so. - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1. Unfortunately, the definition of supermajorities in the SSD GR has a off-by-one error. In the new text a supermajority requirement is met only if the ratio of votes in favour to votes against is strictly greater than the supermajority ratio. In the context of the Technical Committee voting to overrule a developer that means that it takes 4 votes to overcome a single dissenter. And with a maximum committee size of 8, previously two dissenters could be outvoted by all 6 remaining members; now that is no longer possible. This change was unintentional, was contrary to the original intent of the Constitution, and is unhelpful. For the avoidance of any doubt, this change does not affect any votes (whether General Resolutions or votes in the Technical Committee) in progress at the time the change is made. Therefore, amend the Debian Constitution as follows: Index: doc/constitution.wml === --- doc/constitution.wml(revision 10982) +++ doc/constitution.wml(working copy) @@ -913,7 +913,7 @@ An option A defeats the default option D by a majority - ratio N, if V(A,D) is strictly greater than N * V(D,A). + ratio N, if V(A,D) is greater or equal to N * V(D,A) and V(A,D) is strictly greater than V(D,A). If a supermajority of S:1 is required for A, its majority ratio Constitutional Amendment: Fix duplicate section numbering. The current Debian Constitution has two sections numbered A.1. This does not currently give rise to any ambiguity but it is undesirable. Fix this with the following semantically neutral amendment: - Renumber the first section A.1 to A.0. - GENERAL RESOLUTION ENDS - pgpBTAWgYd7HL.pgp Description: PGP signature
