Re: DPL blindsides

[Jonathan Carter]

Hi Teemu

On 2020/04/12 21:04, Teemu Hukkanen wrote:
>>> "Teemu" == Teemu Hukkanen  writes:
>>
>> Teemu> Would you, in a situation like this, commit to providing the
>> Teemu> information before becoming DPL in order to avoid a conflict
>> Teemu> of interest?
>>
>> What is the conflict of interest you see here?
>
> The description of Jonathan Carter's (highvoltage) role in the event
> planning team in the wiki page
>  says "Does
> whatever needs doing:" and "kicking the chief organiser".

Yep, I was listed as allrounder there, that doesn't mean that I was
explicitly involved in every DebConf decision though. I only became
aware of your case after the fact, the decisions around your involvement
in DC17 was made purely by the DC17 local team.

> In
> (<1501234967.2211370.1055405832.1d2d7...@webmail.messagingengine.com>
> message not available in public), by a previous DPL to the event
> planning team, including Jonathan Carter, the email noted that by
> actively not answering or responding, a particular sequence of events
> was being forced. To the best of my knowledge, the event planning
> team, including Jonathan Carter, has not responded to this request by
> a previous DPL.

Unfortunately I have no idea what you're referencing there. Feel free to
forward the message (or relevant parts) to me if that could help.

> The position of DPL, while not providing significant direct power,
> provides significant influence, including the power to appoint people
> who would be responsible for investigating any wrongdoing by the
> DPL. The DPL can use the appointment power to influence investigations
> into themselves - hence the conflict of interest.

Sorry, you've lost me there, I again don't know what you're talking about.

> The conflict of interest can be reduced, although not completely
> removed, by committing to handing over *all* of the information, and
> complying with requests from previous DPLs to respond, prior to taking
> office as DPL.
>
> The question to Jonathan Carter, which has still not been answered,
> (~2 weeks later) is whether they can agree to hand over information
> before taking office as DPL.

I wasn't sure what to make of your request, and from off-list mails it
seems like some parts of it were being addressed. I think you might have
to start from the beginning and explain what it is you're requesting
from me.

-Jonathan

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Re: DPL blindsides

[Teemu Hukkanen]

Sam Hartman  writes:

>> "Teemu" == Teemu Hukkanen  writes:
>
> Teemu> Would you, in a situation like this, commit to providing the
> Teemu> information before becoming DPL in order to avoid a conflict
> Teemu> of interest?
>
> What is the conflict of interest you see here?

The description of Jonathan Carter's (highvoltage) role in the event
planning team in the wiki page
 says "Does
whatever needs doing:" and "kicking the chief organiser".

In
(<1501234967.2211370.1055405832.1d2d7...@webmail.messagingengine.com>
message not available in public), by a previous DPL to the event
planning team, including Jonathan Carter, the email noted that by
actively not answering or responding, a particular sequence of events
was being forced. To the best of my knowledge, the event planning
team, including Jonathan Carter, has not responded to this request by
a previous DPL.

The position of DPL, while not providing significant direct power,
provides significant influence, including the power to appoint people
who would be responsible for investigating any wrongdoing by the
DPL. The DPL can use the appointment power to influence investigations
into themselves - hence the conflict of interest.

The conflict of interest can be reduced, although not completely
removed, by committing to handing over *all* of the information, and
complying with requests from previous DPLs to respond, prior to taking
office as DPL.

The question to Jonathan Carter, which has still not been answered,
(~2 weeks later) is whether they can agree to hand over information
before taking office as DPL.


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