Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes
Le 10 novembre 2021 04:08:58 GMT+01:00, Bdale Garbee a écrit : >Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > >> Then, we realized that we could probably add Secret voting (if it felt >> right to everyone) as the discussion on Russ' proposal didn't go in a >> too consuming spiral. > >Perahaps this exposes a distinction between those of you who have spent >a lot of time thinking about these issues recently and feel that they >all more or less are part of the same whole, and others of us who are >trying to follow along relatively casually knowing we'll be asked to >vote at some point? > >I'm pretty confident we can collectively figure out how to vote >meaningfully in either case, but I'd personally prefer to see secret >voting treated as a separate GR with opportunities for significant >consensus building before a vote is called. > >Bdale I'm quite haépy to handle secret voting in another GR. :) -- Pierre-Elliott Bécue From my phone
Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes
Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes: > I'd tend to be in favor of making this a separate GR. I agree. Bdale signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > Then, we realized that we could probably add Secret voting (if it felt > right to everyone) as the discussion on Russ' proposal didn't go in a > too consuming spiral. Perahaps this exposes a distinction between those of you who have spent a lot of time thinking about these issues recently and feel that they all more or less are part of the same whole, and others of us who are trying to follow along relatively casually knowing we'll be asked to vote at some point? I'm pretty confident we can collectively figure out how to vote meaningfully in either case, but I'd personally prefer to see secret voting treated as a separate GR with opportunities for significant consensus building before a vote is called. Bdale signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes
Holger Levsen wrote on 08/11/2021 at 18:21:02+0100: > [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 091AB856069AAA1C created at > 2021-11-08T18:20:57+0100 using RSA]] > On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 12:12:33PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >> > I'd like to ask the community whether we'd like to handle secret ballots >> > now, or in a separate GR. >> I'd tend to be in favor of making this a separate GR. > [...] >> Adding yet another change to this proposal would only make things more >> complex and make the issues at hand harder to understand. > > all of this and additionally personally I'd also find it disrespectful to > hijack/piggyback (on) Russ' work. Hi Holger, Sorry if it seemed (as I'm one of the drafters of the secret ballot and Russ' proposal, I feel a bit responsible for this) that there was an attempt to hijack anything. A bit of context: When the GR about RMS occurred, I expressed my intent to have some changes made to the Constitution, in particular regarding secret voting. Russ reacted because he had also things in his mind he wanted to see become more concrete and we started a discussion that took quite some time at a time when I was a bit more available. Sam joined us in the discussion and Wouter also at some point recently. Then, and I'm at fault I think (because I got drowned in my personal life stuff and did not state it clearly to Sam and Russ), things kind of went under the dust until we attempted to resume. In the meantime, it became clear that proposing Secret Voting and the other changes was not going to be easy because it made quite a lot. So Russ went on with everything except Secret Voting. Then, we realized that we could probably add Secret voting (if it felt right to everyone) as the discussion on Russ' proposal didn't go in a too consuming spiral. Russ said he was not against the idea. Hence Sam's mail, which, despite what it could have inspired to you, is not an attempt to hijack or piggyback any work made by Russ or anyone else. I hope this helps. Cheers! :) -- PEB signature.asc Description: PGP signature
