Re: DPL vote summaries 2006 (was: Re: Appeal to candidate questioners)
Am Sonntag, 5. März 2006 01:24 wrote David Schmitt: I have put a first version online at http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2006/input.xml There is now a pre-generated plain HTML version as http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2006/questions.html online. As well as a little Makefile. Kudos to Martin Schulze for pointing out this glaring omission. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
DPL vote summaries 2006 (was: Re: Appeal to candidate questioners)
Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:25 schrieb MJ Ray: Last year, we had very helpful debate summaries posted by David Schmitt(?) which helped solve this confusion, but I don't know whether anyone will prepare similar ones this year. I have put a first version online at http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2006/input.xml The source can be aquired via darcs get http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2006/ I'm not really satisfied with the XML I am using and it is really lacking in the way of transforming emails to xml (doing it still manually). On the other hand, doing it Right[tm] would probably be quite more involved than the little markup i have now. Patches appreciated ;) Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: Appeal to candidate questioners
Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 12:25 schrieb MJ Ray: Last year, we had very helpful debate summaries posted by David Schmitt(?) which helped solve this confusion, but I don't know whether anyone will prepare similar ones this year. I hear you :) Since last years summaries where quite work intensive, I'll try to come up with some XML/XSLT voodoo to help me with the task. Expect a notice within the next days. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: Vote for the Debian Project Leader Election 2005
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 19:29, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:18:26 +0100, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If I sign three votes over the course of a day and then send them in reverse order, will the votes that were signed earlier be accepted even if they were sent later? Sure. As far as devotee is concerned, the ordering when the ballots were received is the only one that matters. Since email ordering is not guaranteed, you may wish to wait for devotee's ack is you are firing off multiple ballots. So any signed vote made public can be used to override any later decision by the voter in question by replaying the publicised mail and signature. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
DPL candidates QA summaries
Hello, world! After making a final run through through the debian-vote archives I now hope to have faithfully captured 2005s DPL candidates QA on http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/ Thank you all for making Debian an OS worth spending ones time on such things! Regards, David PS: IANADD, but I'd be honoured if someone could sponsor this message for d-d-a. -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
vancouver flames (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)
On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:52, Anthony Towns wrote: [...] What happens if people still aren't happy after you've followed the guidelines? I mean, in this case, Steve did his best to follow established procedure for things like this, yet there's still a many-hundred message flamewar about it. [...] That's the cost; on the benefits side, you've got YA random flamewar on -devel, where no one's even game to suggest anything so controversial as dropping architectures from stable. Or, at least, that's how it strikes me. Am I too callous? Except for a few outliers (Blache and Juergensmann come to my mind as well as several others who only needed some time and more explanations) I felt that the discussion first hung on the points that weren't entirely clear(proposal vs decision, REGULAR vs WIDESPREAD, sarge vs etch) and later developed into interesting sub-threads (e.g. with Sven Luther about how to track testing as IRREGULAR arch) which are now trying to reach solutions for the problems. But then I am also not on the receiving end so I might underestimate the (social) impact of this discussion on the proposers. See also my mail at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg01978.html Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
DPL QA summaries
Hello, world! After making a final run through through the debian-vote archives I now hope to have faithfully captured 2005s DPL candidates QA on http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/ Thank you all for making Debian an OS worth psending ones time on such things! Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: email vs. IRC debate (was: DPL election IRC Debate - question about the NEW handling)
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 14:54, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.03.03.0752 +0100]: I don't know, maybe email debate is better, it allows for more in depth discussion. ... and massive volumes of text, which noone with a real life can read, think about, and respond to. Amen: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/www/virtual/edv-bus.at/debian/vote-2005$ du -ch *html | grep total 148ktotal (and that's only the relevant stuff) Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir ber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: Question for Andreas Schuldei and Branden Robinson
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 09:36, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:39:22PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: Boycott [...] You could take the whole pure64 mess as example :) Since it was strongly vetoed against in debian by the infrastructure guardians, but ubuntu does it just fine. Or other nice ideas like the source-only uploads which are done in ubuntu, but rejected in debian. I am not saying that these are boycott or influence results. I'm just waiting for someone figure out that Ubuntu doesn't have to manage a world wide net of mirrors and then jump up and yell that we should drop the mirror network so we can release amd64. Have fun! Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: Q for Andreas Schuldei: Small teams??
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 13:13, Henning Makholm wrote: [See http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00242.html] Sorry Henning, after purging those sections I believe covered by common sense definitions of team, working together and discharging responsibilites there was nothing of your questions left to post on my summaries page. Do you want it posted unaltered in full length or do you want to reconsider your submission? Especially the parts about being assigned to a team, team leader and requirements for teams stopped me cold in the tracks. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: Q for Andreas Schuldei: Small teams??
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 14:06, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit David Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry Henning, after purging those sections I believe covered by common sense definitions of team, working together and discharging responsibilites Are you a spokesman for Andreas? No, pardon my curtness causing this misunderstanding. I collect DPL candidates' QA at http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/ Do you want it posted unaltered in full length It has already been posted unaltered in full length. At least it arrived in my inbox in a perfectly ordinary way and is archived at http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00288.html. I was referring to my site above. Especially the parts about being assigned to a team, team leader and requirements for teams stopped me cold in the tracks. I refer to the candidate's platform, which explicitly says [...] Your question can now be found at http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/andreas-schuldei.html If there is anything to better represent your question, feel free to contact me privately or via debian-vote. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
QA Summarypage
Dear candidates, list! As discussed around [1], I am working on summarising all public QA pertaining to the 2005 DPL elections at http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/ | The aim of this collection is to briefly summaries statements from the | candidate concerning their perspective of the DPL 2005 as well as providing | pointers into the archived debates for further research. Of course it is also helpful to track which questions were already answered by whom. I have now finished the basic style and will add content as it arrives. I'm still undecided whether I shall add a Quotes and Trivia section for each candidate. This could be very intresting but carries much potential for bias and personal influence[3]. Input appreciated. Since I want to report as unbiased as possible, I'm cc'ing all candidates once to notify them explicitly about the page and declare that I'm also willing to publicate answers and statements pertaining the webpage I receive privatly. Any other input from the candidates[2] about content and presentation would be much appreciated. Regards, David [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00097.html [2] I've already seen http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00100.html, thanks. [3] Not to mention the additional work ;) -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
NEW processing and crypto notification (was: Re: Question for candidate Towns)
On Saturday 05 March 2005 10:59, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:55:25PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote: Sven Luther wrote: I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian is reported to the US secret services or whatever by the ftp-masters and our archive handling services, and i certainly did *NOT* agree to this being the case. Everyone subscribed to debian-devel-changes gets notified of every change you make; and we certainly welcome everyone to subscribe to that, including the US export bureau or secret service. That we happen to provide a slightly briefer summary for the BXA doesn't really change that in any way. In fact, the summary excludes the names of package maintainers as well as other information that gets posted to -devel-changes. Yeah, ok, but then how does this interact with automated NEW processing for not-really-NEW packages ? As ajt said in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00104.html: | It's not a technical issue it's a legal one -- our approach to satisfying | the legal requirements for including crypto software in main require us to | manually process each package with a new name. Yes, it really is necessary. Searching through my d-d-a archive I found: http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain Somewhere in the middle of the document it details, that a written notice _on paper_ has to be sent to the NSA. But instead of rehashing well known points, Sven could compile a public(!) list of packages needing processing from http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html with explanations and pointers why which action should be taken on them. I am sure, a research robot (like Martin Schulze for stable point releases) would be able to add valuable input to NEW processing. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Summarising the discussions (was: Re: Call for brevity and on-topicness of discussion)
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 20:08, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: In order to try to keep the size of the discussion still consumeable by as much people as possible, Do you think it'd be feasible[1] to put essential questions and answers (like two or three paragraphs per candidate on a website somewhere? If there is interest I would give it a try and collect them onto the Debian wiki or something. Regards, David [1] regarding amount of work as well as clarity and truthfulness of content -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir über ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: Summarising the discussions (was: Re: Call for brevity and on-topicness of discussion)
On Friday 04 March 2005 14:22, MJ Ray wrote: David Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is interest I would give it a try and collect them onto the Debian wiki or something. Debian wiki is both editable by many and not editable by all. I think it would be safer to put it on people.d.o with an easy way to send you patches. Then the buck stops with you and how much we trust the summary depends on how much we trust you. Sounds reasonable. I put it up on my webpage (since I am no DD): http://debian.edv-bus.at/vote-2005/ I've tried my best to avoid any bias and mostly only pasted relevant paragraphs. There should be links to the original mails with everything I cited. Comments and patches are very welcome. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir ber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 13:52, Matthew Garrett wrote: Put simply, the constitution says that the DPL can't make technical decisions that overrule other people. I agree with the constitution. However, I will work to ensure that it's possible for people to find out /why/ NEW is processed the way it is. Teams have the authority to make technical decisions - they should be willing to justify them to the rest of the project. The difference between debian-kernel, debian-release and debian-x vs. debian-ftpmaster and debian-buildd is not technical. Regards, David -- - hallo... wie gehts heute? - *hust* gut *rotz* *keuch* - gott sei dank kommunizieren wir ber ein septisches medium ;) -- Matthias Leeb, Uni f. angewandte Kunst, 2005-02-15
