Re: GR: Hide Identities of Developers Casting a Particular Vote
Developers may cast their votes. [-Votes in leadership elections are-]
[- kept secret, even after the election is finished.-]{++}
The options on the ballot will be those candidates who have
nominated themselves and have not yet withdrawn, plus None Of The
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Re: Informal Discussion: Identities of Voters Casting a Particular Ballot are No Longer Public
On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 11:07:12PM +, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Sam (2022.02.13_21:28:44_+) Comments including support or alternatives are welcome. As you asked for a bit of a straw poll, I would support a move toward secret ballots in all votes. I've always felt slightly awkward about having my ballots be public. Not enough to effect or suppress my vote. But I can imagine that it is enough to stop other people from voting their mind. I would expect that a secret ballot would encourage a few more project members to vote and that's a good thing. If we trust our secret ballot mechanism enough for the DPL elections, I trust it for other GRs. +1 Sincerely, Filippo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Filippo Rusconi, PhD ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Research scientist at CNRS ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Debian Developer ⠈⠳⣄ http://msxpertsuite.org http://www.debian.org
Re: Nuance Regarding RMS
Greetings, Debianites, On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:51:59AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: I can personally vouch for the fact that RMS can be very difficult. He takes social awkwardness to new heights. He’s remarkably stubborn in technical matters even when outside his domain of expertise and completely wrong. He is not a fun house guest. His manners as a dinner guest are atrocious. He was by far the most logistically problematic seminar speaker I have ever hosted. He takes umbrage at quite innocuous colloquial phrasing, and is obstinate about his own idiosyncratic interpretation of English semantics. He overshares, and has great difficulty reading others' emotions. But he's not transphobic. That accusation is basically scurrilous. At https://libreboot.org/news/rms.html is an impassioned but well reasoned (at least in this regard) defense of RMS from a trans woman he had a big public fight with. “If you actually tell Richard your preferred pronouns, he’ll use them with you without hesitation. Several of my friends are trans and also speak to Richard, mostly via email. He respects their pronouns also.” Calling him ablist is similarly unfair. He was defending women’s right to terminate pregnancies when the fetus has a condition like trisomy 21. Whatever your views are on the underlying political question, to twist that as ablist is quite a stretch. RMS is not violent. He's weird with everyone, which do I think has, in general, a disproportionate effect on women. As does his poor personal hygiene. He had a mattress in his office at MIT because he was basically living there. That might give lots of people squicky feelings, but would have a disproportionate effect on women. He makes unwelcome sexual overtures to women, but backs off when turned down (with perhaps isolated exceptions decades ago). That's totally inappropriate behaviour. He seems unable to sense when someone finds him repellent. Basically, he’s super creepy and unpleasant. He picks his feet and eats it while delivering seminars. Nina Paley hosted him in her apartment in New York on a number of occasions, and had a similar read. I'm not sure he'd be an ideal board member, but that’s a practical rather than ethical consideration, and surely best left to the judgement of the individual organization. What’s problematic to me about this whole “Cancel RMS” business is the lack of nuance. He’s clearly not neurotypical in a way that makes him very difficult to deal with. He doesn’t make appropriate eye contact. He’s strange in ways that I think, on average, affects women more than men. But should we bully or ostracise him for that? I think we should try to develop coping strategies for both him and people who want or need to deal with him. That’s actually supporting and accommodating diversity. And it’s hard! We should seek ways to leverage his strengths, which are considerable. Of course, that assumes lack of malice, which I think is the case with RMS. He’s not malicious. He really wants to connect, but he’s utterly unable to. He’s weird and clueless. And he’s obsessed with software freedom. --Barak Pearlmutter I like nuance and non-hyperbolic language :-) Cheers, Filippo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Filippo Rusconi, PhD ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Research scientist at CNRS ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Debian Developer ⠈⠳⣄ http://msxpertsuite.org http://www.debian.org
Re: Announcing new decision making procedures for Debian
Very well crafted april's fool :-) Cheers, Filippo On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:52:53AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: Hello Debian Members, For some time, we have been having systemic issues that make GR discussions painful. GRs themselves shouldn't be painful, and don't need to be. Having a chilling effect to using GRs hurts Debian, and as a project we need a way to poll for consensus on project choices and directions more often than not. To overcome the current problems with GR discussions, we introduce a replacement weighted democratic system. The new procedure is this: * A developer proposes an issue with a signed message on debian-vote@lists.debian.org . * Anyone can express their consent or dissent by replying to the message. * When the discussion eventually dies down, the Debian Secretary will review all messages and pronounce the winner. This method makes the fair assumption that the energy spent in writing messages to the discussion is related to the amount of insight a person has on an issue, and how much they care about it. In particular: * The more messages a person writes, the more the person cares, and the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who only write every once in a while, clearly don't think the issue is important enough to deserve their real effort. * The more strongly worded replies are, the more the person cares, and the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who waste time with long, polite, well reasoned messages, clearly didn't care enough to get emotional about an issue. * The longer a person keeps writing, the more the person cares, and the more their opinion will be taken into account: people who give up, clearly didn't care enough to make themselves heard. To avoid confusion, we'll maintain the same acronym as before. The new system will be called Debian Grandiose Reflection. The first GR using this scheme will concern the introduction of this voting scheme for the future. Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Filippo Rusconi, PhD ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Research scientist at CNRS ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Debian Developer ⠈⠳⣄ http://msxpertsuite.org http://www.debian.org
Re: "rms-open-letter" choice 3: do not, as the project itself, sign any letter regarding rms
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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:21:56PM -0400, Sandro Tosi wrote: ok i can no longer be silent (and it's in no way referred to Philip, whose email i'm reply to) so that it is very clear that there is room for dissenting opinion, and with a link to the vote page so that anyone that is interested can easily discover how individuals voted on the issue? That scares me. what will happen to the list of people who disagree with the ratification of the statement by Debian as a project? The people that are so strongly pushing for this (and many other) actions will have a list of (in their eyes) good and bad Debian members. And of course "nothing will happen, this is democracy at work", but how can *I* be sure of that? how can anybody be sure that there wont be anyone going thru decades of emails, twits, etc to find something "incriminating" for those people, because they disagree with them? how can i feel safe to vote no or FD in this GR? you are scaring me, you are threatening me, you are making me afraid of voting, of writing to mailing lists, to publish my ideas due to fear or repercussions. Is this what you want? Did you notice how few people have the courage and strength to disagree publicly with you? with your perennial fight for purity, you're taking my voice away: i do believe you think what you're doing is the Right Thing, but that has consequences you're not seeing, because the people who disagree with you are not "free" anymore to express themselves. you are establishing a de-facto Thought Police, that has been years in the making. I'm even afraid i'll get punished with the CoC for this email. is this what you want for Debian and its fellow members? During the heights of the Black Lives Matter protests (it's one example), did you force all your colleagues to sign a petition for *OR* against demanding your employer to publicly state that Black Lives Matter? did you do the same with your condo board, tenants association, borough board, city council etc? how did that go? Why are you dragging Debian's name into this? We are not a political entity, we are (in our own words: https://www.debian.org/intro/philosophy) "an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system". So go ahead, make your individuality be heard, sign (or not sign, it's up to YOU!) the open letter as who you are, but please leave Deiban, our technical project, outside of this fight. +1 One more word: since people can freely sign that statement, imagine how impressively long that list of people signing it would be! If you all, Debian Developers wishing that GR to pass, will sign it, it will take forever to peruse the whole list of signatories! That would have a very good impact for you: provide a strong feeling that the text is abundantly supported. But, *but*, I do not think it is the role of the Debian project to globally have anything signed "Debian" about this FSF/Stallman/GNU story. Filippo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Filippo Rusconi, PhD ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Research scientist at CNRS ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Debian Developer ⠈⠳⣄ http://msxpertsuite.org http://www.debian.org
Re: Both DPL candidates: handling social conflict
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:10:01PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: While I understand the question, I'm not sure this is very relevant. Yes, Debian is about promoting the cause of free software; and yes, actually *using* free software is a very good (first) way to promote its cause. I'll encourage everyone interested in these topics to read this, very influential for me, essay by Mako: Free Software Needs Free Tools http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html Also, +1 to Paul's mail. The DPL is a rather special case. I certainly don't fancy Debian being slashdotted due to the DPL using non-free software publicly, at the very least as long as suitable Free alternatives exist. Undoubtedly +1 to Paul and Zack. Did we not *eagerly* endure, fifteen years ago, highly unstable software (October GNOME, anyone ?) because we thought that by using it we were going to unavoidably better it, for the cause of software freedom? Nowadays Free Software has become so usable, Neil must have an explanation for not using it to post messages. Let him tell us maybe that he had to borrow a computer... He will certainly have a story to tell. Ciao, Filippo -- Filippo Rusconi, PhD - public crypto key C78F687C @ pgp.mit.edu Researcher at CNRS and Debian Developer lopi...@debian.org Author of ``massXpert'' at http://www.massxpert.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140321134247.GC7165@licorne
