Re: Question to all: Outreach
Hello, Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març 2020 a les 21:46: > (I have no idea if I am allowed to reply to this, or if only DPL > candidates are supposed to reply. Hence forgive me if I'm overstepping a > boundary here. Please tell me if that is the case by the way.) [Thread moved to debian-project mailing list for open discussion] -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.
Re: Question to all: Outreach
Hello, Missatge de Ulrike Uhlig del dia dt., 17 de març 2020 a les 18:34: > > Debian Outreach [...] > > thas been a quite expensive to run for the real > > benefit provided to Debian project. > > The questions you ask seem to rely on this observation of yours, that I > find a little bit overly suggestive: > > - How do you measure benefit? And what is real or unreal about it? > - And to what does "quite expensive" refer? Thanks Ulrike for bringing up this point. According to https://www.outreachy.org/sponsor/ Outreach student has a cost of $6,500. Last round, from December 2019 to March 2020, Debian got a couple students, making a total cost of $13,000. Add on top of that travel sponsorship for promoting for promoting Debian Outreach coordinators (which I believe are not Debian contributors nor developers, please correct me if I am wrong) on finding students in conferences, which cost few other thousands in the past year. The total cost was well above $20k for Debian, just for one round. I find it "quite expensive" when comparing to volunteers work, but I would like to know the opinion of the postulated DPLs on that matter. I have been trying to measure the return from such program but looking at their mailing list for information, https://lists.debian.org/debian-outreach/ does not lead to any results or information. Maybe I am looking at the wrong space? Reading news, https://bits.debian.org/2019/11/welcome-outreachy-interns-2019-2020.html I find really helpful the work those students are doing, but given that has a cost, is it perfect? are there ways to improve? I would really love to know next DPL view on the matter. My best wishes, -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.
Question to all: Outreach
Hello, First of all, thanks for nominating yourselves to Debian project leaders. Debian Outreach looks like an awesome initiative to bring new blood into Debian and also people coming from minority groups, however, on the other hand, it has been a quite expensive to run for the real benefit provided to Debian project. Reading the delegation text: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/03/msg00011.html. I find 2 out of 3 team coordinators are not Debian contributors/developers, and the other seems to be inactive. Q: How do you feel on having non-Debian contributors/developers being DPL delegates? Q: Do you see any flaws on the current Outreach setup? If so, how would you address them? My best regards, -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations
Hello, Missatge de Martin Michlmayr del dia dj., 14 de març 2019 a les 5:26: > * Lucas Nussbaum [2019-03-14 00:05]: > > Also, from the DPL POV, it would be very useful to have an annual > > report on Debian finances. I don't know if this exists nowadays. > It doesn't. I wanted to do something like that a few years ago but it > wasn't possible because we couldn't get the needed data from SPI at > that time. > Hector was going to put something together more recently but I haven't > seen it. Indeed, I tried to gather data to produce such report last year (early 2018), however few issues arised: - numbers were far from being accurate - TOs report their finances at different times in the year in different ways - On Debian side we did not have a list of expenses/incomes. Expenses, at least, should now be tracked via RT - We keep dealing with unexpected issues with TOs. Overall producing an annual report was quite difficult if we want it to be accurate. Producing some rough numbers should be doable. So, instead producing annual reports, I was thinking it'd be easier to produce monthly updates in DPL report about which expenses have been approved (and the amount). If TO are able to tell use the monthly incomes, then we could add them to the report as well. Since Debian Treasurer team exists we have not been very good communicating with community and there seems to be a bit of confusion, so I'll get Debian Treasurer update to d-d-a in the following months. However, let's get back on-topic and no worry about finances now but find a good leader to drive the project for the following term. Regards, -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.
All DPL candidates: Debian assets
Hello DPL candidates, First of all congratulations for your nominations. I have several questions for you, I hope you do not mind to reply: a. Debian hardware infrastructure 0. What do you think of Debian teams owning their own infrastructure (hardware)? 1. If Debian team gets hardware resources from external parties/sponsors in monetary form, would you be willing to spend that money buying hardware for that team, or re-use existing hardware which is already part of Debian assets and save that money for something else? b. Debian money 0. If Debian had an excess of cash, which topics do you think are more important to spend that money for the overall project benefit? Thanks in advance for your replies. Regards, -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAODfWeHuXNfB5hzis1BVSzNB7Hm=kgep0-nm7ayx9jj0fms...@mail.gmail.com
Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?
Hello, First of all congrats to all candidates and thanks for stepping up for doing this task. Secondly, I was wondering how Debian could make it easier for people to contribute than other (derivatives and non-derivatives) distributions. I came up with a really nice draft howto[1] which I would like to bring up to your attention, so the basic question would be what do you think you could do to make contributions paths easier (take in account not all teams, groups follow such community guidelines) Kind regards and good luck ! :-) [1] http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/ -- Héctor Orón "Our Sun unleashes tremendous flares expelling hot gas into the Solar System, which one day will disconnect us." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dd0a3d701003250955r1a9f0a00oe5c39259845c6...@mail.gmail.com
