Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While over those years, some problems have arised during the discussion and/or voting of some resolutions, there is no evidence that changing the number of sponsors (seconds) for GR proposals or amendments will help solve those problems. Instead, by making it harder to propose general resolutions or amendments, it might make it harder to improve imperfect resolutions, or to add valuable options to a ballot. Therefore the Debian project reaffirms the current requirements for the sponsoring (seconding) of GR proposals or amendments, and for overruling of delegates. = PROPOSAL END I hereby second this amendment. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - jbla...@debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 pgp0ZjDzTrwsh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es wrote: Hi, [And then he suggests a 312 vote for those who'd agree to it.] I explicitly did not include a ballot suggestion in my post, so please don't put words in my mouth :) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - jbla...@debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote
Pierre Habouzit madco...@debian.org wrote: And that's especially why this vote is horribly broken, we can't vote for _many_ options at the same time, eventually only one is chosen, unless all the options you want to see win have been ranked equally on every single ballot out there. I hope Pierre made it clear to everyone here that our voting system only works for reasonable ballots where each option is an alternative to the other options. For anything else, like this ballot, our voting system is totally inadapted and can only lead to complete failure. Our secretary is failing his job. Critically. And, yes, the secretary can twist the ballot to make it even worse, not even talking about the majority requirements. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - jbla...@debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Hi, I can't see why it would be harmful to vote 7123456, if you really prefer options 2,3,4,5,6 in that order. There's no discussion that you should vote that way if you feel that way and understand what you're doing wrt the different, orthogonal options included in this ballot. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - jbla...@debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es wrote: Hi, I explicitly did not include a ballot suggestion in my post, so please don't put words in my mouth :) Sorry, honest mistake. I intended to put a paraphrased laben on those brackets, but I forgot, I'm sorry. No problem, but you got your paraphrasing wrong, too. I did not write the sensible options needed to be ranked equally *and* first, only that they needed to be ranked equally. Ie voting sensible options/FD/zealot options or FD/sensible options/zealot options I'm emphasizing this now, because voting FD first and everyting else ranked equally below FD doesn't help (that's 221); sensible options need to be ranked higher. I wrote my post carefully because my intent wass not to tell people what they needed to vote, but to highlight *how* (and not *what*) to vote. I felt that given the complexity of this vote, it was important to highlight that, if only to get people to carefully look at how the vote works. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - jbla...@debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bundled votes and the secretary
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'll echo Raphael's feelings about that ballot; it feels strange and voting on that one is going to be a mess. There are definitely some options that should be split into another vote. [ ] Choice 2: Allow Lenny to release with proprietary firmware [3:1] We're not changing the DFSG. So there's no need for 3:1. We're overriding it, so it requires 3:1, and it was the same for the waiver for Etch. [ ] Choice 3: Allow Lenny to release with DFSG violations [3:1] I followed the discussions but I don't even know why we have this alternative which looks like the same than 2. It's not the same; it's broader. Option 2 only deals with firmware, whereas this option is a waiver for all the DFSG violations. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed amendment: Resolving DFSG violations
Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I propose to amend the Robert's resolution by adding the following choice --- The Debian project, recognizing that bugs do not fix themselves, applauds Ben Hutchings's efforts to remove non-DFSG-conformant bits from the linux-2.6 package in a way that is still making users a priority. It instructs the project leader to authorize spending of Debian funds to send a box of chocolates to Ben. --- Seconded. I belive that Robert's resolution is a waste of time in that it adds Doubly so. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 pgpm7UTBuLFv9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I know the job is for two years, but I only want to do half the job, so please vote for me, I'm better than those others who are willing to do the whole job. I'd better have someone do the job for only one year than someone not doing the job for two years, but YMMV :) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On the Debian Maintainers GR
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading d-d-a isn't enough to keep up with everything that's happening in the Project, and you know it. But if it's enough for DD, it should be enough for DM. We have many DD who It's *not* enough for DDs. are following d-d-a only and for the rest, interactions are done via bug reports. As long as they handle actively the bug reports, I don't see a problem there. You must be kidding. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On the Debian Maintainers GR
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maintained by someone who isn't keeping up with Debian-wide changes, and Why that ? I expect all DM to be subscribed to d-d-a and would suggest a check (or even some enforcement with auto-subscription if we really want). Reading d-d-a isn't enough to keep up with everything that's happening in the Project, and you know it. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question to the Debian community ...
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther. Can you please let us have just _one_ thread that is about something else? If that's not too much to ask. No, he can't, he just brought that up *AGAIN* on debian-powerpc. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun
Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole project a bad reputation. I don't know what's worse, the bickering itself or the bickering about the bickering. Flamewars are actually fun, when done properly. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW you're not _forced_ either to read them, nor to participate. I've tried not participating or reading lists with large flame contents: for significant parts of 2006 I did not read -devel and -project (for instance). The result was that you're cut off from any sense of what the project is doing and where it is going. You tinker with your own Oh come on, you can read the lists without reading nor participating in the flamewars. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just frustrating if people try to destroy the work you are doing. Nothing too dramatic, really. And, like Joss, sam's posts brought some fun back into Debian at a time where I really needed it to continue working on Debian. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, like Joss, sam's posts brought some fun back into Debian at a time where I really needed it to continue working on Debian. I think there might be a cultural issue... Or just some people lacking a sense of humor. It's so easy to dismiss anything you don't like as being either trolling or a cheap ad hominem attack instead of, you know, just thinking about it for a minute, asking yourself if, by any chance, there wouldn't be a little something behind it. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality
Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: julien, what is your agenda here? you come across as distracting and trolling. you contributed nothing worthwhile so far. please stop it and dont generate avoidable traffic during election time (which is busy enough as it is). Contrary to others here, I have no agenda to push. Thanks for asking. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hence, what is your position on including those new, non-Linux ports ? What would the timeframe be like, according to you ? I have no problem with including them, but equally I don't see them as a very high priority *right* now. After Etch is released, I'd happily support proposals for inclusion. It was a post-etch question indeed, we obviously can't introduce new architectures in the archive a couple of weeks before a release, that would be unreasonable. Thanks for your answers, JB. -- Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian, because code matters more Debian GNU/Linux Developer| http://www.debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question for Sam Hocevar
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone is connected with a trolling organization, or being convicted for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, this is something I want to know pre-voting. Are you seriously comparing being connected with a trolling organization with being convicted for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, somehow putting those two things on the same level ? JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question for Sam Hocevar
Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you seriously comparing being connected with a trolling organization with being convicted for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, somehow putting those two things on the same level ? to me both disqualify for the post of dpl, in my book. That wasn't the question. kthxbye, JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: Personally, due to things like [0], I tend to think having different sources for different OSes is likely to make sense; which isn't something we can manage with the main archive as it stands. I disagree here. Building for different OSes from the same source will improve portability and quality. We have a long history of helping make free software more portable accross architectures, let's just take it to the next step. As for the number of developers, there are a couple more than is told on the qualification page, although obviously not all of them are DDs (but that can be fixed). I think we'll attract even more people once kFreeBSD will be an official port. Also, consider that kFreeBSD enthusiasts will probably join some of the biggest maintenance teams to help out with kFreeBSD issues, which will also benefit to the current Linux ports. And I truly hope Sun will re-license OpenSolaris under the GPL so we can have an official OpenSolaris port too. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports
Hi DPL candidates, The kFreeBSD ports are now in a good enough shape to be included in unstable. Aurélien Jarno got ftpmaster's approval for that during an informal conversation at debconf5 [1] but so far, there's been no progress on this front. Since then, the SCC split happened and ftp-master moved to ries, so adding more architectures to the archive is no longer a problem, AIUI. Hence, what is your position on including those new, non-Linux ports ? What would the timeframe be like, according to you ? If an ftpmaster was to charge an amount of money to include the new architectures (as was the case for amd64), what would, according to you, be a reasonable amount ? Thanks, JB. [1] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/glibc-bsd-devel/2005-July/000453.html -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I expected the candidates to take the 5 minutes it takes to get up to speed wrt the kFreeBSD ports by reading the appropriate status pages. I can't be expected to know everything about Debian; in this particular case, I didn't even know there *were* such status pages. If you could give me a link, I wouldn't mind reading it and perhaps following up with a better response. From my recollection, there even was such a page written for m68k at the time. As an m68k porter, I just thought you knew a couple of things about the whole archive qualification process and the associated wiki pages. I even find your name on http://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/m68k My point is, you did not have to reply today, so you could have taken the time to google for it or to ask around on IRC to get /some/ information about the whole thing. If you're not doing that when answering questions during the campaign, how can I assume that you'll actually do when you'll be DPL ? JB. -- Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian, because code matters more Debian GNU/Linux Developer| http://www.debian.org Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giving a reasonable time estimate would require me to know a *slight* bit more about the FreeBSD ports than I do at this point in time; so I won't try it. Ah, I expected the candidates to take the 5 minutes it takes to get up to speed wrt the kFreeBSD ports by reading the appropriate status pages. You just lost my vote. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally agreed. Also, I think it was both courteous and wise to try to respond promptly; if you let a question sit, in my experience, it becomes harder to answer. In particular if one wants to answer the rest of the mail at once. People start wondering why is he avoiding that part?. In such cases, something along the line of I need some more time to answer this particular point, let me get back to you on that ASAP comes to mind. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. I heavily disagree to that. The current servers are owned by Debian or sponsored to Debian by some people. So Debian does have a say what happens on them or not. (Please note that this doesn't contain any approval or disapproval of any action on our servers, but just a disapproval to this concept.) You've totally missed the point. All it takes to NMU the infrastructure is to have a new one ready, then get SPI to change the DNS servers associated to debian.org. The current hardware can then just be let to rot where it is. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads
Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. But (probably) only if it was at the request of the DPL. Could be at the request of the Project, via a GR I think, if the DPL was, say, unwilling to act and fix a broken situation wrt infrastructure administration and developer access to the said infrastructure. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlikely. SPI usually has a defined authorisationship with an associated project, this refers to people, not the project as a whole or their developers or their internal voting results. However, a GR should be able to kick the DPL out of leadership and the next vote would install a new DPL who would then have a say. Which is interesting, considering that in such a situation we might not even be able to run a vote. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads
Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian infrastructure and portions thereof are not analogous to packages. As many have pointed out already, packages can be NMUed. Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you got it backwards, it seems to me to be about reinstating some developers' rights. Unless unilaterally preventing developers from doing something that has always be possible in Debian is considered a right, of course. Ah, we'll need another GR to be able to log into *all* debian hosts again, then. Because that's something that has always been possible in the past, until a couple of years ago. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation
Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I hereby second the proposal quoted below. I disagree with the Policy delegation decision of our DPL [1] and therefore propose a resolution as defined in section 4.2.2 of the Debian constitution to delay the decision of the Debian Project Leader keeping the Package Policy Committee as defined[2] in place until the Debian Project Leader has found at least three people who'll be active in maintaining policy according to the policy process[3] and delegates them. Consequently the REJECT for uploads of debian-policy must be removed. My reason for this proposal is the impression the revocation of the delegation is based on the disagreement of the interpretation of the policy between the chair of the Package Policy Committee and the Debian Project Leader. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/10/msg00233.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00017.html [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/10/msg00238.html JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 pgpUVzWSsdhOM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the difference between my employer trying to get me to do something unethical that violates an agreement with Debian or someone else trying to get me to do the same? Are you focusing on the increased difficulty of telling one's employer no? If so, remember that you can resolve a conflict of interest by refusing *either* party; if I can't resolve the This is quite an easy statement to make; it's actually far harder to do in real life if/when the need arises, you know. non-Debian issue creating the conflict of interest, I would resign the Debian position. This is a distinction that doesn't interfere with Resigning the from the Debian position may very well get you nothing else but a pink slip from your employer. resolving the issue. (Not to mention that one's employer is far from the only party in one's life that one may not be able to easily say no to.) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if you become the release manager, and your employer makes your compensation contingent on Debian not releasing before February of 2010, no one can NMU the release. Theoretically, we could replace you, but we cannot fix the problem directly. Would you not agree that this affects the risk assessment? If I became the release manager and some other distribution offered me $50,000 if Debian doesn't release before February of 2010, the situation is the same. What you're talking about here, in my opinion, is a simple No it isn't the same. The relation between your employer and you and between the other distribution and you is quite different. This difference should be pretty clear. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader
Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, But we, Debian developers, can make this confusion vanish, and I would like to propose that we answer to the valid question quoted in the second paragraph above by recalling our Project Leader, as allowed by our Constitution (section 4.1.1) and am seeking seconds for this proposal. Seconded. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 pgpaHxXswqfzG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Proposal - Amendment - allow hardware support from non-free into the debian system
Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've tried to consolidate all the little I would second this if and remarks that people made (and I agree to), but that MJ Ray didn't outright reject. How about something like that? Would in particular MJ Raj, Sven Luther, Julien Blache agree with this? I agree with your enhanced version of MJ Ray's proposal, but ... THE DEBIAN PROJECT: 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to our users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and 2. encourages licensors of all works to make those works available not only under licenses that permit modification, but also in forms that make such modifications practical; and 3. as a special exception to help users who have hardware for which no complete functioning free firmware is available, the Debian installation media images may include selected firmware from non-free archive, which conforms to all Debian Free Software Guidelines except guideline 2 (Source Code). ... as Sven pointed out, there are still some corner cases, mostly depending on the method used to get rid of the firmware data (ie, move firmware to non-free vs. move driver to non-free). Once this is all settled, I'll be OK with the proposal. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal - Amendment - allow hardware support from non-free into the debian system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MJ Ray) wrote: Hi, 3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware ^ without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD We'll soon have a 200+ posts sub-thread trying to come up with a definition for vital hardware ... I'd second your proposal without the vital word. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal - Amendment - allow hardware support from non-free into the debian system
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 3. as a special exception to help users who have vital hardware ^ without free software drivers yet, the Debian system and official CD We'll soon have a 200+ posts sub-thread trying to come up with a definition for vital hardware ... I'd second your proposal without the vital word. That's meant as an explanation, not a requirement. Accordingly, I drop the word 'vital' from there and the lead-in. Seconded, then. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 pgpjV1dS6ojoK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Questions to the candidates
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 4. In light of the well organised presence of Skolelinux and the professional presence of Ubuntu at several conferences and exhibitions do you believe Debian is represented adequately? I know it is a biaised view point, but as far as the events I attended were concerned, Debian was better represented than Ubuntu and Skolelinux. Thanks Bill ;) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
