Re: planet.debian.org is RC buggy (?)
Hey, * Frank Lin PIAT [2010-03-27 13:44]: > [I don't intend to start a flame war, but I do have venom for planets] > > planet.d.o has became one of the most visible media for Debian, if not > the most visible one. Do you think it is a good thing? [...] On what are you basing this assumption? While I agree that Debian isn't especially visible in any way media wise I don't see the relevance of planet when it comes to our users. I have no numbers to prove that but I doubt that a lot of users are reading planet (why should they..). As for the rest of your text I have to say (and I also do not intend to start a flame): aren't there more important problems in Debian than our planet?! Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - n...@jabber.ccc.de - GPG: 0xA0A0 For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpYEeLf4vmyN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)
Hi, * Peter Palfrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-29 21:06]: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, > > so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. > > I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. > > | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are > not > | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not > provided by > | the project with as much help as might be possible, useful or required, > nor > | opportunities to join the project. > | > | We thank Joerg Jaspert for exploring ideas on how to involve contributors > more > | closely with and within the project so that they can get both recognition > and > | the necessary tools to do their work. > | > | We realize that the proposal posted to the debian-devel-announce > mailinglist is > | not yet finalized and may not have the support of a large part of our > | community. We invite the DAM and all the contributors to further develop > their > | ideas in close coordination with other members of the project, and to > present a > | new and improved proposal on the project's mailinglists in the future. > | > | Significant changes should only be implemented after consensus within > | the project at large has been reached, or when decided by a general > | resolution. Seconded. Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgp6557aWqoSM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Alexander, * Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 13:28]: > Am 8.4.2008 schrieb "Nico Golde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from > >manipulating other people with vote rights who might be > >unsure yet about what they vote? > > I don't think that "manipulationg" is the right word for that; isn't > that word in common used by to describe covered influence? Yes you are right. Let's forget about that part since I didn't want to start a discussion about this and I doubt this is actually a problem within Debian. > So it is either a "public statement" (faster than bloging) or an > accident. [...] > PS: May I ask you about the intention of your question? Yes, if I read such "public statements" in a Debian vote I always ask myself "WTF is interested in this?". Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgphBh3g7cBB3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Frank, * Frank S. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 13:04]: > On Tuesday 08 April 2008 12:17, Nico Golde wrote: > > > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e > > > > > > [XXX] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre > > > > > > [XXX] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog > > > > > > [XXX] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt > > > > > > [XXX] Choice 4: None Of The Above > > > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Nico, do you realize that by quoting Martin's ballot four times so far you > might have manipulated undecided voters more than Martin with his first mail? Frank, do you realize that such a statement is useless? > And BTW: I don't think that DDs are so simple-minded and easily influenced by > public ballots. True and I never said anything conflictive with that just because I came up with the only reason I could think of (even if I think this won't work and that this was not the purpose). Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpoiBQ93nf3i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi, * Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 11:47]: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 11:06]: > > On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > > Hi Martin, > > > * Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 10:30]: > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e > > > > [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre > > > > [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog > > > > [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt > > > > [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from > > > manipulating other people with vote rights who might be > > > unsure yet about what they vote? > > > > Ideally, the constitution should be changed to void all votes issued in > > public, and make the sender of such votes lose his vote right for that > > vote. > > Errm no, since this can also happen by accident... Here follows his full mail before any misconceptions about Sven's point arise cause I didn't quote the complete mail and just hit reply too fast: On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Hi Martin, > * Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 10:30]: > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e > > [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre > > [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog > > [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt > > [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from > manipulating other people with vote rights who might be > unsure yet about what they vote? Ideally, the constitution should be changed to void all votes issued in public, and make the sender of such votes lose his vote right for that vote. But then the question is, how serious is the effect of such manipulations, as most such errors are probably mostly due to plain errors on the voters part. Also, going over much in the direction of sanctionning such errors may itself cause possible exploits, by malicious setting of the reply-to in the ballot for example. Please forward to the list, as i am being censored and cannot post myself without a DD having judged the post as non-controversial or whatever. Sven Luther Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpqRqmMfe61M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Adeodato, * Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 11:22]: > * Nico Golde [Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:59:42 +0200]: > > manipulating > > Rght. I didn't state that it manipulates *you* but asking for the purpose. Manipulation (if there are people who let themselve manipulate by this) was the only purpose I could think of. So... Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgp3tHeGJQ5uH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Sven, * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 11:06]: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > * Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 10:30]: > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e > > > [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre > > > [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog > > > [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt > > > [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from > > manipulating other people with vote rights who might be > > unsure yet about what they vote? > > Ideally, the constitution should be changed to void all votes issued in > public, and make the sender of such votes lose his vote right for that > vote. Errm no, since this can also happen by accident... Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpzQAGLEg1YC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vote
Hi Martin, * Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-04-08 10:30]: > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e > [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre > [ 3 ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog > [ 1 ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt > [ 4 ] Choice 4: None Of The Above > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Can you tell me the purpose of your public vote apart from manipulating other people with vote rights who might be unsure yet about what they vote? Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://www.ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgp8G1dou9TnT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process
Hi, * Aníbal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-08-01 13:49]: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 02:21:43PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > >Hi, > >* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-31 13:35]: > >[...] > >I second this. > > According to § 3 of the "Procedures for submitting a General > Resolution proposal or amendment" [¹] you are _only_ seconding items > 5.2.1 trough 5.2.3 and part of 5.2.4. > > Is that what you would like to do? > > ¹ http://www.debian.org/vote/howto_proposal Thanks for pointing me out to this, I wanted to second all items. Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpgnnbdgblnr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process
Hi,
* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-31 13:35]:
> =
> 5.2. Appointment
>
> 1. The Project Leader is elected by the Developers.
> 2. The election begins [-nine-] {+six+} weeks before the leadership
>post becomes vacant, or (if it is too late already) immediately.
> 3. For the [-following three weeks-] {+first week+} any Developer
>may nominate themselves as a candidate Project [-Leader.-]
>{+Leader, and summarise their plans for their term.+}
> 4. For three weeks after that no more candidates may be nominated;
>candidates should use this time for campaigning [-(to make their
>identities-] and [-positions known).-] {+discussion.+} If there
>are no candidates at the end of the nomination period then the
[...]
I second this.
Kind regards
Nico
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Re: On the "Debian Maintainers" GR
Hi, * Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-26 15:07]: > Christoph Berg wrote: > > IMHO the current process with sponsors reviewing and uploading > > packages has proven to work nicely, i.e. the amount of broken packages > > uploaded is not too high. Most of the perceived problems with this > > process stem from the fact that most of the packages offered on > > debian-mentors or #debian-mentors are initially crap and need lots of > > review cycles. Once people produce good packages asking the last > > sponsor for another upload should work. (And at that point NM will be > > a breeze.) > > Actually, I've had a lot of trouble finding sponsors for any of my packages, > despite requesting them multiple times on debian-mentors and more > package-specific lists. For example, libdbus-java hasn't been sponsored since > December, despite my having packaged several versions since and requested > uploads for them all. I have 9 packages waiting for sponsoring; some of which > are new, but several are just uploads to existing packages. The problem with this is that people search a new sponsor for every package instead of finding a small set of people who always sponsor their packages. Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpfjQH81iWOQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Limited upload rights for NMs GR Proposal
Hi, * Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-09 20:39]: > Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The idea is to grant NMs limited upload rights after they're certified > > "almost DDs", in a stage where they usually just have to wait (quiet > > long) for their AM-report, FD and DAM. > > This feels to me like solving the wrong problem. If the person really is > ready to become a DD, it would be better to find ways of addressing the > time lag before that process is complete. If there are meaningful final > checks, this to an extent bypasses them, which is a little strange. And > I'm also worried that it will leave a bunch of people stalled in this > limbo for even longer since their upload rights are "good enough" and we > lose motivation to finish fully integrating them into the project. If that would be the case it would be really a shame for the Debian project since the process doesnt really influences DAM work does it? Think about the opposite, maybe an applicant gets processed faster because people saw that he knows what he is doing with his own uploads. Cheers Nico -- Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgp9RBrGPSutj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Limited upload rights for NMs GR Proposal
Hi, * Bastian Venthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-09 20:36]: [...] > Please comment, send patches or second. [...] I do second the proposal. Kind regards Nico -- Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. pgpxmT4DdFZWz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2005
Hi, * Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-02-28 21:36]: > The nomination period is at an end, with six candidates > standing forth to be counted. We are now in the campaigning period. > The candidates are: > > o Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^ Is the email address wrong? There is no entry for http://qa.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 1024D/73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | mutt-ng.berlios.de | grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred pgpEwuuE82pwV.pgp Description: PGP signature
