Re: [DRAFT #3] Maximum term for tech ctte members
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 09:36:57AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 04:53:10PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > An exception to the uniformity of the effects of transitional measures > > is "max". I haven't touched it partly because it doesn't seem to have > > received much attention as of lately, and partly because it seems to > > actually have as a goal that of quickly converging to the desired term > > limit. > > That's not my perception. Well, factually, I haven't seen any further neither on this list, nor in private mail to me, further improving that proposal in quite a while. Of course that might be silent interest about "max", and I'm very glad about that. It's just that I cannot be aware of it :) > As such, I would appreciate it if you could change that option to, say, > postpone the first term expiration to 6 months after the passing of the > GR, rather than one month. > > If you don't do that, I'll have to propose it myself, but I'd rather > avoid that ;-) As mentioned before, I plan to propose/second only one proposal: 2-S. But I do want other proposals to be as ready and as coherent as possible, so that if others want to propose/second them, they won't have to do all the heavy lifting. So, by all means, if you have changes you'd like to see applied to "max" before you'll be personally OK with proposing/seconding it, please send it to me as patches against http://git.upsilon.cc/?p=text/gr-ctte-term-limit.git;a=tree , I'll be happy to integrate them, and update https://people.debian.org/~zack/gr-ctte-term-limit/ In the specific case of "max", it would be a good idea for you to first find consensus on them with Josh Triplett, who has been thus far the main contributor to that proposal. Feel free to take this into private mail with him, Cc:-ing me as needed. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT #3] Maximum term for tech ctte members
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 04:53:10PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > An exception to the uniformity of the effects of transitional measures > is "max". I haven't touched it partly because it doesn't seem to have > received much attention as of lately, and partly because it seems to > actually have as a goal that of quickly converging to the desired term > limit. That's not my perception. Out of all the proposals, I prefer "max" because it is elegant and simple; the other proposals involve slightly more complex formulas that require more effort to understand. I don't think "max" has such a goal of quickly converging (at least it's not what I like about it). As such, I would appreciate it if you could change that option to, say, postpone the first term expiration to 6 months after the passing of the GR, rather than one month. If you don't do that, I'll have to propose it myself, but I'd rather avoid that ;-) -- It is easy to love a country that is famous for chocolate and beer -- Barack Obama, speaking in Brussels, Belgium, 2014-03-26 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141128083657.gb25...@grep.be
[DRAFT #3] Maximum term for tech ctte members
Dear all, you can find attached a 3rd, hopefully final, iteration of the CTTE term limit GR proposals. It is now plural, as the discussion has made clear that there are alternative models that people might want to see on the ballot as separate options. I attach 4 alternative versions of the GR, nicknamed in the discussion respectively "2", "2-R", "2-S", and "max". For a comparison of the intuitions behind them I recommend the excellent summary by Lucas [1]. [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00241.html In addition to the changes we have discussed recently on this list, I've also (with the help of Anthony Towns) uniformed their wordings so that people can focus on the the real differences among them. diff/wdiff on the GR texts should give meaningful outputs. With respect to the last draft, the most relevant change is that the transitional measures (or their absence, depending on the proposal) have been changed to trigger the first expiry at the end of 2015. This is based on my perception of rough consensus on the fact that there has already been quite a bit of churn in the CTTE and that forcing "too much" of it only due to the timing of this GR is not a desirable outcome. An exception to the uniformity of the effects of transitional measures is "max". I haven't touched it partly because it doesn't seem to have received much attention as of lately, and partly because it seems to actually have as a goal that of quickly converging to the desired term limit. Personally, I plan to formally call for seconds on the "2-S" proposal (which in the end I find simpler and more elegant than "2") 1 week from now. It is my understanding that Lucas will propose as an amendment "2-R", provided that at least K developers would second that. Further reviews and comments are more than welcome. For reference, the latest version of each proposal should always be available at: https://people.debian.org/~zack/gr-ctte-term-limit/ with "sources" at: http://git.upsilon.cc/?p=text/gr-ctte-term-limit.git;a=tree Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » The Constitution is amended as follows: --- --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.314945907 +0100 +++ constitution.2-R.txt2014-11-24 10:24:42.109426386 +0100 @@ -299,8 +299,22 @@ Project Leader may appoint new member(s) until the number of members reaches 6, at intervals of at least one week per appointment. -5. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may +5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical + Committee if they have been a member within the previous 12 months. +6. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may remove or replace an existing member of the Technical Committee. +7. Term limit: + 1. On January 1st of each year the term of any Committee member +who has served more than 54 months (4.5 years) and who is one +of the N most senior members automatically expires. N is +defined as 2-R (if R < 2) or 0 (if R >= 2). R is the number of +former members of the Technical Committee who have resigned, +or been removed or replaced within the previous 12 months. + 2. A member of the Technical Committee is said to be more senior +than another if they were appointed earlier, or were appointed +at the same time and have been a member of the Debian Project +longer. In the event that a member has been appointed more +than once, only the most recent appointment is relevant. 6.3. Procedure --- The Constitution is amended as follows: --- --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.314945907 +0100 +++ constitution.2-S.txt2014-11-21 16:56:47.328071287 +0100 @@ -299,8 +299,20 @@ Project Leader may appoint new member(s) until the number of members reaches 6, at intervals of at least one week per appointment. -5. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may +5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical + Committee if they have been a member within the previous 12 months. +6. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may remove or replace an existing member of the Technical Committee. +7. Term limit: + 1. On January 1st of each year the term of any Committee member +who has serve
