Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END seconded. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Neil McGovern wrote: Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(2Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). AMENDMENT END Rationale: This is basically s/K/Q/. It keeps the 'immediate override delegate decision' as twice as hard as proposing a GR. seconded. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org writes: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END Seconded. (As part of the exercise to see how hard it is to reach the seconding thresholds proposed.) -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ pgp5xCZp0bdfB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joerg Jaspert wrote: and here is the promised amendment which will require a maximum of floor(Q) developers to second a GR. PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END I second this proposal. Colin - -- Colin Tuckley | +44(0)1223 400536 | PGP/GnuPG Key Id Debian Developer | +44(0)7799 143369 | 0x1B3045CE Waiter, there's no fly in my soup! -- Kermit the frog -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknJFpUACgkQj2OPlhswRc5TswCfd0IRAGLfg2+eChX4FBF06X2D rqkAn1OGPrcY3Bey/7+dBYGB9wJg4OuV =ZowI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:49:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi, and here is the promised amendment which will require a maximum of floor(Q) developers to second a GR. PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END Also seconded. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Into the distance, a ribbon of black Stretched to the point of no turning back signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Hi, Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(2Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). AMENDMENT END Rationale: This is basically s/K/Q/. It keeps the 'immediate override delegate decision' as twice as hard as proposing a GR. Thanks, Neil -- linuxpoet rails is a perversion mc someone who use pgsql as calculator shouldnt talk of perversion. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On 11697 March 1977, Neil McGovern wrote: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(2Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). AMENDMENT END Rationale: This is basically s/K/Q/. It keeps the 'immediate override delegate decision' as twice as hard as proposing a GR. Well. I personally dislike that, and that speaking as a delegate who had a Thank you vote from the project already, but if you get enough seconders, I'm happy to have this on the vote too. -- bye, Joerg lenny schneidet nie chilis und wascht euch dann _nicht_ die hände und reibt euch dann an der nase. lenny uargs, wie das brennt lenny hammer. das ist ja schlimmer als die dinger zu essen... pgpJV0cKIkcHu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:35:32PM -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote: On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 15:49 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END I second this proposal This is the 5th second for this amendment. I currently count 3 and 1 failed second for the original proposal. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Hi, and here is the promised amendment which will require a maximum of floor(Q) developers to second a GR. PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END Practical changes: Taking the definitions of the latest GR we had, Current Developer Count = 1018 Q ( sqrt(#devel) / 2 ) = 15.9530561335438 K min(5, Q ) = 5 Quorum (3 x Q ) = 47.8591684006314 this will mean that future GRs would need 15 other people to support your idea. -- bye, Joerg Could you please add me to the mirr...@debian.org alias. I'm not receiving enough spam. -- Andrew Pollock pgpt8bg5lg3r9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Sat Mar 21 15:49, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END I second this proposal -- Matthew Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Le Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:49:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. That makes an interesting race condition with Bill's overriding GR… -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Le Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:04:31AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : Le Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:49:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. That makes an interesting race condition with Bill's overriding GR… Dear all, dear Joerg, I present my apologise and ask you to forgive me this post. There are many discussions going in all directions and I it frustrates me strongly, but I should have keept my head cold and my hands far from the keyboard. Have a nice week-end, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi, and here is the promised amendment which will require a maximum of floor(Q) developers to second a GR. PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END Practical changes: Taking the definitions of the latest GR we had, Current Developer Count = 1018 Q ( sqrt(#devel) / 2 ) = 15.9530561335438 K min(5, Q ) = 5 Quorum (3 x Q ) = 47.8591684006314 this will mean that future GRs would need 15 other people to support your idea. Seconded. - -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprint: 06C8 C9A2 EAAD E37E 5B2C BE93 067A AD04 C93B FF79 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknFFbsACgkQBnqtBMk7/3lbkwCfQeX4xVMe+qDmGDMt5W9wyRrj SLYAn0AhYp1odc/zA57n1yHudTTs1wWI =WVtl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:49:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END I hereby second the before standing proposal. With some kind of sadness, because if we wouldn't waste that much time on useless proposals that I consider this a problem, I wouldn't. Best Regards, Patrick signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
Hi! Joerg Jaspert schrieb: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END I hereby second the proposal quoted above. Best regards, Alexander signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 15:49 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project resolves that a) The constitution gets changed to not require K developers to sponsor a resolution, but floor(Q). [see §4.2(1)] b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)], as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting period or to overwrite a TC decision [§4.2(2.3)] requires floor(Q) developers to sponsor the resolution. c) the definition of K gets erased from the constitution. [§4.2(7)] (Numbers in brackets are references to sections in the constitution). PROPOSAL END I second this proposal signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
