Final call for votes for"GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Debian Project Secretary]

 Voting period starts  00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,   8th October 2006
 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 14th October 2006

The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution to
re-affirm support for the Debian project leader.  The vote is being
conducted in accordance with the policy delineated in Section A,
Standard Resolution Procedure, of the Debian Constitution.

The details of the general resolution can be found at:
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[   ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
[   ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
[   ] Choice 3: Further discussion
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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:21:03 -0400, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> On 10/7/06, Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >
> Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,
>> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday,

> Fortunately, vote.debian.org provides the associated dates.

AAaagh!

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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Raul Miller]

On 10/7/06, Debian Project Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >
Voting period starts  00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday,


Fortunately, vote.debian.org provides the associated dates.

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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:57:51 +0200, Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> Hi, Thomas Bushnell BSG:
>> > Okay... now what the hell should happen if these ballots both
>> > succeed?
>> 
>> We would know that Debian developers are insane.  The ballots
>> cannot both succeed unless sufficient people vote to Re-affirm the
>> DPL *and* vote to recall him.

> That assertion holds only if everybody who votes does so on both
> ballots. Our quorum is less than 50 people -- thus, we could hold 20
> valid elections with entirely disjoint sets of participants, neither
> of whom would be insane by that metric.

> Doing those 20 elections would of course be somewhat insane, but the
> conceptual difference between 1 and 2 is larger than between 2 and
> 20.  IMHO.

> Yes I know: it's still rather unlikely fo the votes to get that
> result, but that's not my point.

If the level of apathy has reached these hights, we have more
 problems than just this inconsistent resolution.

manoj
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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Eduard Bloch]

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* Debian Project Secretary [Sat, Oct 07 2006, 06:53:35PM]:
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> a65763d3-b1e2-4530-8ff8-aa5915274eb4
> [ 2  ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
> [ 1  ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
> [ 3  ] Choice 3: Further discussion
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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Matthias Urlichs]

Hi,

Thomas Bushnell BSG:
> > Okay... now what the hell should happen if these ballots both succeed?
> 
> We would know that Debian developers are insane.  The ballots cannot
> both succeed unless sufficient people vote to Re-affirm the DPL *and*
> vote to recall him.

That assertion holds only if everybody who votes does so on both
ballots. Our quorum is less than 50 people -- thus, we could hold
20 valid elections with entirely disjoint sets of participants,
neither of whom would be insane by that metric.

Doing those 20 elections would of course be somewhat insane, but the
conceptual difference between 1 and 2 is larger than between 2 and 20.
IMHO.

Yes I know: it's still rather unlikely fo the votes to get that result,
but that's not my point.

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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Russ Allbery]

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Matthias Urlichs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Okay... now what the hell should happen if these ballots both succeed?

> We would know that Debian developers are insane.  The ballots cannot
> both succeed unless sufficient people vote to Re-affirm the DPL *and*
> vote to recall him.

You only hurt the ones you love.  :)

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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

"Matthias Urlichs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:53:35 +, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
>
>> [   ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
>> [   ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
> and
>> [   ] Choice 1: Recall the project leader
>
> Okay... now what the hell should happen if these ballots both succeed?

We would know that Debian developers are insane.  The ballots cannot
both succeed unless sufficient people vote to Re-affirm the DPL *and*
vote to recall him.

Thomas


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Re: Question (Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader")

[Pierre Habouzit]

Le dim 8 octobre 2006 21:53, Jérôme Marant a écrit :
> Le dimanche 08 octobre 2006 20:23, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > The above are just attempted summaries of the differences between
> > two position statements.  You really want to read the full
> > statements themselves and see if you agree more with one or the
> > other (or with neither).
>
> Well, it does summarize pretty well:
>
> 1/ says the Debian Project does not object to the experiment and it
> is not the result of a decision of the Debian Project
>
> 2/ says it doesn't endorse nor support any projects Mr Towns may lead
> or participate in outside Debian
>
> Pretty much the same. The only difference is that 1/ wishes success
> to Dunc Tank, which makes Debian look nice with it.

that's indeed why the amendment 2 was proposed. the second one is 
intended as beeing neutral.

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Re: Question (Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader")

[Jérôme Marant]

Le dimanche 08 octobre 2006 20:23, Russ Allbery a écrit :

> The above are just attempted summaries of the differences between two
> position statements.  You really want to read the full statements
> themselves and see if you agree more with one or the other (or with
> neither).

Well, it does summarize pretty well:

1/ says the Debian Project does not object to the experiment and it is not
the result of a decision of the Debian Project

2/ says it doesn't endorse nor support any projects Mr Towns may lead or
participate in outside Debian

Pretty much the same. The only difference is that 1/ wishes success
to Dunc Tank, which makes Debian look nice with it.

> In practice, I think either choice 1 or choice 2 is going to be
> effectively the same in terms of its effect on the project; the real
> choice is between one or the other means of saying "we support AJ as DPL"
> or not saying that (choice 3).
> 
> I think it would have been somewhat clearer if it were all on the same
> ballot as the recall, but I do understand the reasoning.

Agreed.

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Re: Question (Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader")

[Russ Allbery]

Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Le dimanche 08 octobre 2006 01:53, Debian Project Secretary a écrit :

>> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> a65763d3-b1e2-4530-8ff8-aa5915274eb4
>> [   ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
>> [   ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
>> [   ] Choice 3: Further discussion
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> Hi,

> I'm unsure about how I should vote this.

> Could someone please tell me how not supporting nor endorsing Dunc-Tank
> would be incompatible with wishing it success?

> I understand that Debian does not have to endorse it, but I don't think
> it means wishing it failure, does it?

The above are just attempted summaries of the differences between two
position statements.  You really want to read the full statements
themselves and see if you agree more with one or the other (or with
neither).

In practice, I think either choice 1 or choice 2 is going to be
effectively the same in terms of its effect on the project; the real
choice is between one or the other means of saying "we support AJ as DPL"
or not saying that (choice 3).

I think it would have been somewhat clearer if it were all on the same
ballot as the recall, but I do understand the reasoning.

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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Matthias Urlichs]

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:53:35 +, Debian Project Secretary wrote:

> [   ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
> [   ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
and
> [   ] Choice 1: Recall the project leader

Okay... now what the hell should happen if these ballots both succeed?

IMHO those two should have been on one ballot.

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Question (Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader")

[Jérôme Marant]

Le dimanche 08 octobre 2006 01:53, Debian Project Secretary a écrit :

> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> a65763d3-b1e2-4530-8ff8-aa5915274eb4
> [   ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
> [   ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
> [   ] Choice 3: Further discussion
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hi,

I'm unsure about how I should vote this.

Could someone please tell me how not supporting nor endorsing Dunc-Tank would
be incompatible with wishing it success?

I understand that Debian does not have to endorse it, but I don't think it means
wishing it failure, does it?

Thanks.

PS: please CC me

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Re: Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Kevin Rosenberg]

Debian Project Secretary wrote:
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> [ 2 ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
> [ 1 ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
> [ 3 ] Choice 3: Further discussion
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Call for votes for "GR: Re-affirm support to the Debian Project Leader"

[Debian Project Secretary]

Hi,

Please note that the voting period is abridged, you only have
 one week to vote on this.

manoj


==

 Voting period starts  00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,  
 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday,

The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution to
re-affirm support for the Debian project leader.  The vote is being
conducted in accordance with the policy delineated in Section A,
Standard Resolution Procedure, of the Debian Constitution.

The details of the general resolution can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/vote_006

You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HOW TO VOTE

First, read the full text of the GR and amendments, if any. The ballot
does not claim to be complete rendition of the proposal(s), or even
accurately depict the spirit of each proposal.

Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the
choice names.

In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in
the brackets next to your next choice.  Do not enter a number smaller
than 1 or larger than 2.  You may skip numbers.  You may rank options
equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1<= X <=
3).

Make sure you have read the proposal in detail.

To vote "no, no matter what" rank "Further discussion" as more
desirable than the unacceptable choices, or You may rank the "Further
discussion" choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable
blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the Further
Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked
choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further
discussion choice by the voting software).

Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Don't worry
about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your
reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) (or
encrypted) with your key that is in the Debian keyring.

- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
a65763d3-b1e2-4530-8ff8-aa5915274eb4
[   ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
[   ] Choice 2: Re-affirm DPL, do not endorse nor support his other projects
[   ] Choice 3: Further discussion
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