Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:52:36 +0200, Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This I consider silly. Thinking that the shorter voting period might have influenced participation somehow skews the vote for the DPL? Dow sending the CFV 24 minutes after the hour also skew the votes? Or sending the CFV when the influence of mars is rising in the house of Jupiter somehow tell people who to vote for? No, mentioning your opinion about the length of the vote in the call for votes can influence how people vote... Err, which way is it supposed to have influenced people? I still can't figure that out. Does the time of day I post the CFV's also influence the way people vote? If these people are so susceptible, is it really worth the energy to try to not influence them? Frankly, I doubt if anyone can, and we really should not bother. If a decision unrelated to voting periods made by Debian is significantly influenced by people being influenced by the fact that the secretary thinks the voting period has been reduced too far, then the project is doomed anyway, in my opinion. In some institutes you would be fired as Secretary for doing that... Thank the Lord I do not belong to any such institute. On the other hand, if you feel like firing me, feel free to proceed. I didn't think it was worth mentioning, though you acting as if it's a normal thing to do provoked me to make you aware of it... As far as I am concerned, it is the normal thing to do. All you have made me aware of is that there are some very weird people and institutions out there, but I already knew that. manoj -- MAC user's dynamic debugging list evaluator? Never heard of that. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
* Jurij Smakov [Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100]: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I think that using official project announcements as a medium to express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate, not to mention that the message itself, in its sarcasm, is very disrespectful of the entire community which voted upon this change. I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I hopefully won't post more to this thread, though I'd be curious to know if other people think the above is just fine to say on d-d-a, or just don't care at all, or else. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: The Wallflowers - Be your own girl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Hi! Am 14.4.2008 schrieb Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I agree on that. Yours sincerely, Alexander Yours sincerely, Alexander
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Hi, On Monday 14 April 2008 12:54, Alexander Schmehl wrote: I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I agree on that. Another meme! Me too! Manoj, I am also and still very thankful for all your secretary work, including this paragraph. Mistakes thankfully happen :-D regards, Holger pgpXgxheveIHF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:13:52PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Monday 14 April 2008 12:54, Alexander Schmehl wrote: I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I agree on that. Another meme! Me too! Agreed. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:12:52 +0200, Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:13:52PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Monday 14 April 2008 12:54, Alexander Schmehl wrote: Am 14.4.2008 schrieb Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Jurij Smakov [Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100]: I think that using official project announcements as a medium to express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I agree on that. Another meme! Me too! Agreed. Folks, opinion polls are well and good, but, unlike former president Clinton, my actions and opinions are not poll driven. The same principles as apply to rationale discourse rule here: If you want to change my opinion or behaviour, you have to convince me as to why it is inappropriate. No amount of other peoples unsubstantiated opinions are going to make an iota if difference. I do not consider that remark a mistake; I do not consider it inappropriate, and I do not believe that officers are supposed to be robotically bland even in their official comments. The comment was made about a process that is directly related to the duties of the office; it did not prejudice the current vote, and it reflects my opinion on what I consider a regression in the voting process. As to people getting offended by that, all I can say is grow up. As someone said in this thread, mistakes happen. If the mere opinion that a decision the project took _could_ have been wrong offends you, you need to come to terms with grown up life. We made a change in a voting process to shorten what was a very long procedure, and that seemed like a good idea at the time. But in retrospect, I think it is a bad idea: a number of people have not gotten around to making up their minds, and at least one person could not even get the ballot in time to vote. As it stands, even my opinion that the shortening of the voting period affected turnout could be wrong: sheesh, it is just an opinion. Arguably, there are other factors that could explain the discrepancy; though joeyh's analysis (which is the way you convince people, BTW) does not contradict my feelings. Getting offended by dissent, even from people taking on additional duties than the norm, ought to be something positive; not something to be squashed. Bringing analogies of politicians does not work: this is not politics; being a secretary means lots of thankless work; and pays hardly anything at all. Anyway; the thing about public opinion polls that reigns in politicians is that they are willing to compromise their judgement because they want to keep their job, and voters assure them of that. I have no desire to keep on doing additional work if it means I have to pander to the latest opinion poll. Now, y'all can continue wasting people's time by conducting this informal poll, or you can get of your collective butt and start a GR to fire me, or you can take this off list. I suggest one of the later two options. Most people, I suspect, are rapidly finding this topic getting old. manoj -- People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war, or before an election. Otto Von Bismarck Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Adeodato Simó wrote: I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I personally, don't belive in this hat concept that seems to have infested the project. When I write a mail, *I* am writing the mail, it doesn't matter in what capacity I am doing so. I also don't wear hats[1]. I hopefully won't post more to this thread, though I'd be curious to know if other people think the above is just fine to say on d-d-a, or just don't care at all, or else. I like to see people being themselves on d-d-a, and not some simalacrum of a role that they're pretending has ursurped their personality. -- see shy jo [1] Unless I'm about to die of sunstroke in Mexico. (Thank you for saving me, Phil.) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Joey Hess wrote: Adeodato Simó wrote: I, too, think that the quoted sentence above from Manoj is just plain inappropriate in a message sent with the Secreatary hat on. I personally, don't belive in this hat concept that seems to have infested the project. When I write a mail, *I* am writing the mail, it doesn't matter in what capacity I am doing so. I also don't wear hats[1]. Yes, you also don't use different email addresses in the From-header, do you? Everything that is sent as [EMAIL PROTECTED] is seen as official posts from the project just like things sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] only in different capacities... I hopefully won't post more to this thread, though I'd be curious to know if other people think the above is just fine to say on d-d-a, or just don't care at all, or else. I like to see people being themselves on d-d-a, and not some simalacrum of a role that they're pretending has ursurped their personality. I guess I also should send some personal opinions about some packages (or maybe even maintainers) in the Bits from the Release Team... I really don't get why people think it *is* appropriate to include personal opinions in these kind of posts... Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: You can express your opinions on this list without any problem, though your opinion should not be expressed in an official reminder to vote as that can be interpreted as influencing the vote. I wouldn't go so far, it's not really influencing the vote. Which isn't to say that we still couldn't have easily done without those comments. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Luk Claes wrote: Everything that is sent as [EMAIL PROTECTED] is seen as official posts from the project just like things sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] only in different capacities... Some DPLs have found it useful to use the DPL email alias to lend more importance to what they're saying, or avoid using it to avoid lending importance to what they're saying. Others have happily carried out DPL activities using their personal weblog. In either case it's still the person who's leading the project speaking, and if they feel expressing their personal opinions is a good way to lead the project, good for them. If we wanted the project secretary to be a small perl script, one could be written. I prefer Manoj. I guess I also should send some personal opinions about some packages (or maybe even maintainers) in the Bits from the Release Team... That would probably be helpful in some cases. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:39:11AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I do not consider that remark a mistake; I do not consider it inappropriate, and I do not believe that officers are supposed to be robotically bland even in their official comments. The comment was made about a process that is directly related to the duties of the office; it did not prejudice the current vote, and it reflects my opinion on what I consider a regression in the voting process. [..] As it stands, even my opinion that the shortening of the voting period affected turnout could be wrong: sheesh, it is just an opinion. Arguably, there are other factors that could explain the discrepancy; though joeyh's analysis (which is the way you convince ^ people, BTW) does not contradict my feelings. ^^^ This is precisely the point. Putting your opinion in a mail you send as secretary isn't going to convince anyone either. You've put the ways to convince people in your mail; reasoned posts to planet or lists for instance and you talked about GRs. If you want to change it back, start a debate and then a GR. -- ,--huggie-at-earth-dot-listuff-thing-stuff--DF5CE2B4--. _| 'blitz huggie: je sais je suis nulle...mais je suis très tetue |_ | alors ça compense :)' #parinux | ` http://www.earth.li/~huggie/ ---' signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:50:02 +0200, Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I guess I also should send some personal opinions about some packages (or maybe even maintainers) in the Bits from the Release Team... Please. It might make it a more interesting read. I hate the corporate press release model people seem to be trending to. manoj -- Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggy until you can find a rock. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:47:13 +0100, Simon Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:39:11AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I do not consider that remark a mistake; I do not consider it inappropriate, and I do not believe that officers are supposed to be robotically bland even in their official comments. The comment was made about a process that is directly related to the duties of the office; it did not prejudice the current vote, and it reflects my opinion on what I consider a regression in the voting process. [..] As it stands, even my opinion that the shortening of the voting period affected turnout could be wrong: sheesh, it is just an opinion. Arguably, there are other factors that could explain the discrepancy; though joeyh's analysis (which is the way you convince ^ people, BTW) does not contradict my feelings. ^^^ This is precisely the point. Putting your opinion in a mail you send as secretary isn't going to convince anyone either. If I had intended to convince anyone, I am perfectly capable of discerning and taking my own advice. But this was, instead, a public service message, in which I painstakingly (and thanklessly) compile data from previous years and this one about voting rates, do some statistical calculations, and present it, with a few sentences interpreting the voting rates. There was an abysmally low turnout, and this one sentence was a flip commentary on my opinion of the leading factor for that (the other being that it was an uncontroversial election). We'll see. On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:09:12 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Which isn't to say that we still couldn't have easily done without those comments. None of this is required, really. If a robotic announcement is needed, devotee is perfectly capable of sending a mail at the start of vote with the ballot (the listmasters have been willing in the past to let robots mail to d-d-a, devotee can be added). Technically, we can easily do without those reminders as well. You've put the ways to convince people in your mail; reasoned posts to planet or lists for instance and you talked about GRs. If you want to change it back, start a debate and then a GR. There is not enough data to flip-flop on the decision yet, even if there are enough indicators for my opinion to have formed. manoj -- Bank error in your favor. Collect $200. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I think that using official project announcements as a medium to express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate, not to mention that the message itself, in its sarcasm, is very disrespectful of the entire community which voted upon this change. Best regards, -- Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I think that using official project announcements as a medium to express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate, not to mention The first part of the quoted text is fact, not opinion. The second part _is_ personal opinion; though. You did not find the reduced interval fun, I take it? that the message itself, in its sarcasm, is very disrespectful of the entire community which voted upon this change. You are entitled to your opinion. I certainly do not cater to your point of view, thankfully. If you find that opinions that reducing the time interval for voting might be reducing the turnout to be insulting, then hey, *I* think you have a thin skin, and you might have to live with people expressing such opinions. manoj -- You are WRONG, you ol' brass-breasted fascist poop! Bloom County Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I think that using official project announcements as a medium to express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate, not to mention The first part of the quoted text is fact, not opinion. The second part _is_ personal opinion; though. You did not find the reduced interval fun, I take it? Does not matter at all... that the message itself, in its sarcasm, is very disrespectful of the entire community which voted upon this change. You are entitled to your opinion. I certainly do not cater to your point of view, thankfully. If you find that opinions that reducing the time interval for voting might be reducing the turnout to be insulting, then hey, *I* think you have a thin skin, and you might have to live with people expressing such opinions. You can express your opinions on this list without any problem, though your opinion should not be expressed in an official reminder to vote as that can be interpreted as influencing the vote. In some institutes you would be fired as Secretary for doing that... Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 02:56:04PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I think that using official project announcements as a medium to express your personal opinions is highly inappropriate, not to mention The first part of the quoted text is fact, not opinion. The second part _is_ personal opinion; though. You did not find the reduced interval fun, I take it? My opinion does not matter for the purpose of this discussion. that the message itself, in its sarcasm, is very disrespectful of the entire community which voted upon this change. You are entitled to your opinion. I certainly do not cater to your point of view, thankfully. If you find that opinions that reducing the time interval for voting might be reducing the turnout to be insulting, then hey, *I* think you have a thin skin, and you might have to live with people expressing such opinions. When you send an email with From set to Debian Project Secretary, you are supposed to cater to the opinion of the community, which was clearly expressed using the well-defined voting process which, ironically, you are appointed to uphold. If you fail to grasp what's wrong with including your personal remarks into the official announcement, perhaps you should step down. Best regards, -- Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:34 +0200, Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You can express your opinions on this list without any problem, though your opinion should not be expressed in an official reminder to vote Why not? I hold these opinions about the processes I am following as a secretary while wearing my hat as a secretary. I have held opinions about the state of the vote for almost every vote held, and every non-initial CFV has had a paragraph detailing the state of the vote, and what I felt about it. Just because I am wearing an official hat does not mean I can't have or express _any_ opinion. as that can be interpreted as influencing the vote. This I consider silly. Thinking that the shorter voting period might have influenced participation somehow skews the vote for the DPL? Dow sending the CFV 24 minutes after the hour also skew the votes? Or sending the CFV when the influence of mars is rising in the house of Jupiter somehow tell people who to vote for? In some institutes you would be fired as Secretary for doing that... Thank the Lord I do not belong to any such institute. On the other hand, if you feel like firing me, feel free to proceed. manoj -- C for yourself. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:25:19 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When you send an email with From set to Debian Project Secretary, you are supposed to cater to the opinion of the community, which was No, I am not. The opinions of the community have little to do with the expression of the duties of the secretary (should unpopular candidates be treated differently by the secretary, since the community does not like them?) clearly expressed using the well-defined voting process which, ironically, you are appointed to uphold. The voting process has been upheld. My opinions about the process have not led me to use a three week voting period. You can't, however, prevent me from holding an opinion even wearing my official hat. I just need to follow the dictums of the constitution, while professing the whole thing is somewhat bloated and too bureaucratic. If you fail to grasp what's wrong with including your personal remarks into the official announcement, perhaps you should step down. If ever I were to even consider basing my actions on your judgement, I will take this under advisement. I have never been one for a robotic secretary. Indeed, every CFV past the first one has some commentary on how the voting was going, and expressing my opinion about the state of the vote. manoj -- We are all worms. But I do believe I am a glowworm. Winston Churchill Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:45:02PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If ever I were to even consider basing my actions on your judgement, I will take this under advisement. I have never been one for a robotic secretary. Indeed, every CFV past the first one has some commentary on how the voting was going, and expressing my opinion about the state of the vote. I believe you went much further than just commenting on the state of the votes. For example, the signature of your official announcement of the GR about amd64 back in 2004 [0] is one of my absolute favourites. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/07/msg00341.html Best regards, -- Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:14:06 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:45:02PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If ever I were to even consider basing my actions on your judgement, I will take this under advisement. I have never been one for a robotic secretary. Indeed, every CFV past the first one has some commentary on how the voting was going, and expressing my opinion about the state of the vote. I believe you went much further than just commenting on the state of the votes. I comment on participation, and, in this case, the rules of the election and voting process, since that has a bearing on participation. This is the state of the vote, no? For example, the signature of your official announcement of the GR about amd64 back in 2004 [0] is one of my absolute favourites. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/07/msg00341.html I had not noticed that before. Hilarious. manoj -- Well, Jim, I'm not much of an actor either. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:34 +0200, Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You can express your opinions on this list without any problem, though your opinion should not be expressed in an official reminder to vote Why not? I hold these opinions about the processes I am following as a secretary while wearing my hat as a secretary. I have held opinions about the state of the vote for almost every vote held, and every non-initial CFV has had a paragraph detailing the state of the vote, and what I felt about it. Just because I am wearing an official hat does not mean I can't have or express _any_ opinion. as that can be interpreted as influencing the vote. This I consider silly. Thinking that the shorter voting period might have influenced participation somehow skews the vote for the DPL? Dow sending the CFV 24 minutes after the hour also skew the votes? Or sending the CFV when the influence of mars is rising in the house of Jupiter somehow tell people who to vote for? No, mentioning your opinion about the length of the vote in the call for votes can influence how people vote... In some institutes you would be fired as Secretary for doing that... Thank the Lord I do not belong to any such institute. On the other hand, if you feel like firing me, feel free to proceed. I didn't think it was worth mentioning, though you acting as if it's a normal thing to do provoked me to make you aware of it... Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008
Hi, At the time of writing, less than two days before the end of the vote, the standing are still lower than the preceding poll numbers; here is a comparison with recent years (all but 2008 numbers are the final tally number): |--+--++---++-++---| | | Num || Valid | Unique | Rejects | % | Multiple | | Year | DDs | Quorum | Votes | Voters | | Voting | of Quorum | |--+--++---++-++---| | 1999 | 347 | 27.90 | |208 | | 59.94 | 7.45 | | 2000 | 347 | 43.24 | |216 | | 62.25 | 7.74 | | 2001 | ?? | ?? | |311 | || | | 2002 | 939 | 45.96 | 509 |475 | 122 | 50.58 | 10.34 | | 2003 | 831 | 43.24 | 510 |488 | 200 | 58.72 | 11.28 | | 2004 | 908 | 45.20 | 506 |482 | 52 | 53.08 | 10.66 | | 2005 | 965 | 46.60 | 531 |504 | 69 | 52.23 | 10.82 | | 2006 | 972 | 46.88 | 436 |421 | 41 | 43.31 | 8.98 | | 2007 | 1036 | 48.28 | 521 |482 | 267 | 46.52 | 9.98 | | 2008 | 1075 | 49.18 | 300 |291 | 35 | 27.90 | 6.10 | |--+--++---++-++---| The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. If you have been waiting for the last minute to cast your vote, this is it. Yes, we have decided to cut the voting period short this year. I would not advice waiting for the 11th hour, since mistakes happen: people forget to sign their ballot, send it to the wrong address, or have problems with their MUA mangling the ballot; leave it too late and you shall not have time to correct the error. So, if you have not yet voted, go vote. manoj FINAL CALL FOR VOTES FOR THE DEBIAN PROJECT LEADER ELECTION 2008 - --- - --- --- -- --- -- Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday, March 30th, 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, April 12th, 2008 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The details of the candidate platforms can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/platforms/ HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the platforms and rebuttals. Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 4. You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1 = X = 4). Please read the platforms in detail. To vote no, no matter what rank None Of The Above as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the None Of The Above choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the None Of The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of The Above choice by the voting software). Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters () that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed, encrypted ballot. Devotee accepts mail that either contains only an unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail (RFC 3156 compliant). - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [ ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEfKAfcRBACUXaIj4oWt/8DJP4oTGQbPuKz+LT2oyNf8Qn3vWiPAkIbtlQZm waP71NOwRWhk7Q/K9jXptzCKt2TflENV1/5p1rD3aqECC2n0sDZxb8X+buNVXFYo yHJKv3L2KIHS/ffKDRRTal0WM85Lo2ycYCpPAYH6VBr5nvF59pFjJ6cYwwCgzg4X sMuSP0tDgDCVctW4gTi7H28EAIRn78kWAD24dxd+ENNgy+l5fHZa9dKEgahjHX2b 0dHq2ofue87Su4RdQnF/BVRwbPshlsy505dfz/VONprJep6TPGSc8DhUMOy15BbG
