Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
On March 27, 2021 12:28:58 AM GMT+05:30, Jonathan Carter wrote: >Hi peb > >On 2021/03/26 20:54, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> I wonder in that case if such a person sould be either: >> >> 1. Nominated by the DPL >> 2. Co-elected (ie voting for a couple of people) >> 3. Elected separately on the same time frame (but that could lead to >> issues if the DPL and vice-DPL fail to get along together) > >I was wondering about that too. I saw some DPL candidates in the past >mentioned that they wanted a vice-DPL and iirc even named them already >as part of their platform. I suppose that since this cycle is already >in >progress it probably only leaves #1 as an option for the DPL of the >next >term. > >I'm not sure if Sruthi would be interested in being vice-DPL if I get >elected but I would also be happy to serve as vice-DPL if Sruthi would >be elected. I would be happy with both options. :) > >-Jonathan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
On March 27, 2021 12:25:15 AM GMT+05:30, "Pierre-Elliott Bécue" wrote: >Le samedi 20 mars 2021 à 00:44:52+0530, Sruthi Chandran a écrit : >> >> On 20/03/21 12:31 am, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people >to >> > help him with delegations. >> > >> > Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to >"lead" >> > the project /per se/. >> > >> > Do you think the Project should consider the opportunity of trying >to >> > establish more clearly a role of "DPL advisors" who would be >identified >> > as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the >> > developers/external people should the need arise? >> > >> > Cheers! >> > >> I definitely think we should have a panel of "DPL advisors/helpers" >to >> help out the DPL. There will definitely be a lot of administrative >stuff >> that can be delegated to the helpers and DPL can concentrate on other >> important activities. >> >> If I become DPL, this would be one of the first things I would be >> working out. > >Thanks Sruthi for your reply! > >What is your opinion about Jonathan's reply regarding the fact that >working on having adapted teams (CT/Trademark) take part of the load in >a way that is not directly tied to the DPL mandate is probably a better >schema on the long run? Having specific teams to deal with specific issues is definitely good. I would go with a hybrid approach, have more specific delegated teams and team of 2/3 people as DPL advisors. I also like the vice-DPL idea and might also consider that. > >Cheers! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
Hi peb On 2021/03/26 20:54, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > I wonder in that case if such a person sould be either: > > 1. Nominated by the DPL > 2. Co-elected (ie voting for a couple of people) > 3. Elected separately on the same time frame (but that could lead to > issues if the DPL and vice-DPL fail to get along together) I was wondering about that too. I saw some DPL candidates in the past mentioned that they wanted a vice-DPL and iirc even named them already as part of their platform. I suppose that since this cycle is already in progress it probably only leaves #1 as an option for the DPL of the next term. I'm not sure if Sruthi would be interested in being vice-DPL if I get elected but I would also be happy to serve as vice-DPL if Sruthi would be elected. -Jonathan
Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
Le samedi 20 mars 2021 à 00:44:52+0530, Sruthi Chandran a écrit : > > On 20/03/21 12:31 am, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to > > help him with delegations. > > > > Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to "lead" > > the project /per se/. > > > > Do you think the Project should consider the opportunity of trying to > > establish more clearly a role of "DPL advisors" who would be identified > > as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the > > developers/external people should the need arise? > > > > Cheers! > > > I definitely think we should have a panel of "DPL advisors/helpers" to > help out the DPL. There will definitely be a lot of administrative stuff > that can be delegated to the helpers and DPL can concentrate on other > important activities. > > If I become DPL, this would be one of the first things I would be > working out. Thanks Sruthi for your reply! What is your opinion about Jonathan's reply regarding the fact that working on having adapted teams (CT/Trademark) take part of the load in a way that is not directly tied to the DPL mandate is probably a better schema on the long run? Cheers! -- Pierre-Elliott Bécue GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528 F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2 It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
Le lundi 22 mars 2021 à 19:30:35+0200, Jonathan Carter a écrit : > On 2021/03/19 21:01, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to > > help him with delegations. > > It's come up a few times in past platforms and discussions on -vote too! > > > Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to "lead" > > the project /per se/. > > > > Do you think the Project should consider the opportunity of trying to > > establish more clearly a role of "DPL advisors" who would be identified > > as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the > > developers/external people should the need arise? > > Perhaps a lesser known fact, but the current DPL has access to a channel > where they can contact previous DPLs for some quick advice. I've found > that quite useful in situations where I needed some quick feedback. Now you made me curious. :> > For the rest, I think delegations work great. I think in general, when > DPLs do their job right, then future DPL terms will get gradually > easier. I certainly stand on the shoulders of giants and I've definitely > appreciated some of the earlier work done. Teams like the Trademark Team > and the Community Team catches many mails and issues that the DPL > would've usually had to respond to. My strategy would probably be to > bolster the existing delegation framework instead of setting up a > committee. I'm not completely against a committee per sé either, but I > also think that a single person who can make quick decisions when > necessary works quite well. I would not think to a Committee/Advisory board as something which should prevent the DPL from taking quick decisions but rather a bunch of people the DPL trusts to either give them some tasks to accomplish or be an entry point. That being said, I acknowledge your point that a DPL coming after people having already simmplified the procedures will cope in a better way anyway! > One area where I've felt that it falls short is that it's not fun when I > got busy or would take a holiday. It would be nice if we usually had a > vice-DPL of sorts that could be a backup and could take care of things > when the DPL can't (for whatever reasons). That's something I'd like to > consider if running for another term. I wonder in that case if such a person sould be either: 1. Nominated by the DPL 2. Co-elected (ie voting for a couple of people) 3. Elected separately on the same time frame (but that could lead to issues if the DPL and vice-DPL fail to get along together) Thanks for your reply! -- Pierre-Elliott Bécue GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528 F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2 It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
On 2021/03/19 21:01, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to > help him with delegations. It's come up a few times in past platforms and discussions on -vote too! > Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to "lead" > the project /per se/. > > Do you think the Project should consider the opportunity of trying to > establish more clearly a role of "DPL advisors" who would be identified > as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the > developers/external people should the need arise? Perhaps a lesser known fact, but the current DPL has access to a channel where they can contact previous DPLs for some quick advice. I've found that quite useful in situations where I needed some quick feedback. For the rest, I think delegations work great. I think in general, when DPLs do their job right, then future DPL terms will get gradually easier. I certainly stand on the shoulders of giants and I've definitely appreciated some of the earlier work done. Teams like the Trademark Team and the Community Team catches many mails and issues that the DPL would've usually had to respond to. My strategy would probably be to bolster the existing delegation framework instead of setting up a committee. I'm not completely against a committee per sé either, but I also think that a single person who can make quick decisions when necessary works quite well. One area where I've felt that it falls short is that it's not fun when I got busy or would take a holiday. It would be nice if we usually had a vice-DPL of sorts that could be a backup and could take care of things when the DPL can't (for whatever reasons). That's something I'd like to consider if running for another term. -Jonathan
Re: Having a "DPL committee"?
On 20/03/21 12:31 am, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to > help him with delegations. > > Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to "lead" > the project /per se/. > > Do you think the Project should consider the opportunity of trying to > establish more clearly a role of "DPL advisors" who would be identified > as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the > developers/external people should the need arise? > > Cheers! > I definitely think we should have a panel of "DPL advisors/helpers" to help out the DPL. There will definitely be a lot of administrative stuff that can be delegated to the helpers and DPL can concentrate on other important activities. If I become DPL, this would be one of the first things I would be working out. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Having a "DPL committee"?
The idea was discussed two years ago. Sam chose a range of people to help him with delegations. Being a DPL is a high-energy thing even when one doesn't try to "lead" the project /per se/. Do you think the Project should consider the opportunity of trying to establish more clearly a role of "DPL advisors" who would be identified as helpers for the DPL and additional entry points for the developers/external people should the need arise? Cheers! -- Pierre-Elliott Bécue GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528 F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2 It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
