Re: How about always sending a copy of proposals, amendements, secondes etc. to the Secretary ?
Le Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 06:45:55PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit : Those of us who propose amendments and proposals should really propose a ballot option name, amendment, and figure out who seconded the proposals and just send them to the secretary in wml suitable for direct inclusion in the appropriate vote_nnn.wml file. I don't think it's necessary to actually amend the constitution to do this, because it's just something that we can do. Le Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 08:35:56AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : (on your other point, I agree that we could move the burden of collecting Seconds to the proposer.) Thanks for your comments. Indeed, modifying the constitution would be too much in the end. So the tentative conclusion of this discussion is that the Secretary is welcome to modify the voting instructions (https://www.debian.org/vote/howto_proposal) in order to transfer some of the procedural burden to the people proposing and amending general resolutions. Have a nice day -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141106020546.ge12...@falafel.plessy.net
How about always sending a copy of proposals, amendements, secondes etc. to the Secretary ? (Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling)
Le Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:32:36PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : This vote has currently used up about 15 hours of my time, plus the time to read -vote, and I really didn't want to wait up until gone midnight to post the CfV. Hi Neil and everybody, first, thank you Neil for the hard work on managing the vote on this GR. Would it help to amend point 4.2.5 of our constitution, to request that in addition to the announcement on a publicly-readable electronic mailing list, a copy of proposals, amendments, sponsors, etc. must also be sent to the Secretary ? It seems unfair to request the Secretary to read each and every email on debian-vote... I understand that changing the Consitituion is hard, but since there are other general changes under discussion, maybe there is an opportunity to bundle the most consensual ones... Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141105004031.gb12...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: How about always sending a copy of proposals, amendements, secondes etc. to the Secretary ?
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Charles Plessy wrote: Would it help to amend point 4.2.5 of our constitution, to request that in addition to the announcement on a publicly-readable electronic mailing list, a copy of proposals, amendments, sponsors, etc. must also be sent to the Secretary ? It seems unfair to request the Secretary to read each and every email on debian-vote... Those of us who propose amendments and proposals should really propose a ballot option name, amendment, and figure out who seconded the proposals and just send them to the secretary in wml suitable for direct inclusion in the appropriate vote_nnn.wml file. I don't think it's necessary to actually amend the constitution to do this, because it's just something that we can do. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Religion is religion, however you wrap it, and like Quell says, a preoccupation with the next world clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one. -- Richard K. Morgan Broken Angels p65 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141105024555.gb24...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: How about always sending a copy of proposals, amendements, secondes etc. to the Secretary ?
On 04/11/14 at 18:45 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Charles Plessy wrote: Would it help to amend point 4.2.5 of our constitution, to request that in addition to the announcement on a publicly-readable electronic mailing list, a copy of proposals, amendments, sponsors, etc. must also be sent to the Secretary ? It seems unfair to request the Secretary to read each and every email on debian-vote... Those of us who propose amendments and proposals should really propose a ballot option name, amendment, and figure out who seconded the proposals and just send them to the secretary in wml suitable for direct inclusion in the appropriate vote_nnn.wml file. I don't think it's necessary to actually amend the constitution to do this, because it's just something that we can do. Note that the ballot option name is a bit tricky, because there need to be some homogeneity among options of the same ballot (in terms of formulation, of focus, etc.). So it's better if the secretary works with the proposers to reach an agreement on a coherent set of option names. An alternative would be to drop option names entirely (use original proposal, amendment A, etc.), but have each proposal/amendment include a title or a TL;DR line that summarizes the proposal. That title/summary/TL;DR would then be part of the proposal, and subject to the same process for modifications. (on your other point, I agree that we could move the burden of collecting Seconds to the proposer.) Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141105073556.ga16...@xanadu.blop.info
