Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 06:05:25PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Debian kFreeBSD looks dead in the water and that won't change whilst so
> many DDs are so pro systemd -- I think that systemd was the final nail
> in the coffin.

It won't change so long as people don't work on it. In a reply to a very
similar-toned post of yours to debian-user, I pointed out that there were
plenty of constructive ways that *you*, or anyone else, could contribute
towards ensuring the next release of Debian was how you wanted it. In
that case it was testing sysvinit support. If you truly cared about
Debian/kFreeBSD, you wouldn't be trying to blame systemd for its
shortcomings, you'd be rolling your sleeves up and fixing bugs.

Please don't post any more to debian-vote. This list is meant to serve a
particular purpose for people who are prepared to work on improving
Debian.


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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-09 Thread Adam D. Barratt

On 2014-11-10 7:05, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

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Hi Steven,

On 10/11/2014 10:15 AM, Steven Chamberlain wrote:

Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

We discussed kfreebsd at length, but are not satisfied that a
release with Jessie will be of sufficient quality. We are dropping
it as an official release architecture,


Thank you for all your enthusiasm and support of kFreeBSD.

[...]
So sad that Debian is no longer going to be the universal Linux and 
that

kFreeBSD is to suffer the consequences of the ... at best,
controversial, systemd decision by the TC ...  :(


This really shouldn't need stating, but as people appear to be unable to 
separate issues and insist on dragging everything down to the same level 
- the Release Team decision on kFreeBSD was based on our opinion of the 
current status and supportability of that architecture, not a belief 
that Linux is somehow superior, nor any opinion on the merits of 
particular init systems, nor the phase of the moon.


I'd appreciate an apology for having our motives impugned and this 
unfortunate situation used as yet another stick in an unrelated 
"dispute", but I won't be holding my breath.


Unhappily,

Adam


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Re: Plan B for kfreebsd

2014-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
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Hi Steven,

On 10/11/2014 10:15 AM, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> We discussed kfreebsd at length, but are not satisfied that a
>> release with Jessie will be of sufficient quality. We are dropping
>> it as an official release architecture,

Thank you for all your enthusiasm and support of kFreeBSD.

However, it looks like Linux as we know it is at a crossroad -- it will
be "Lennart Poettering Linux" or something else that something else
looks like it will have to be FreeBSD direct now.

Debian kFreeBSD looks dead in the water and that won't change whilst so
many DDs are so pro systemd -- I think that systemd was the final nail
in the coffin.

So sad that Debian is no longer going to be the universal Linux and that
kFreeBSD is to suffer the consequences of the ... at best,
controversial, systemd decision by the TC ...  :(

A.

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