Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for > >> DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the > >> debates useful. > > http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe > > Having this run for 7 days now, we had 72 participants. > > The question asked was > "Are the Debian DPL IRC Debates useful and should we keep them?" > and people could chose > "Yes", "No", "I don't care, never looked at one." > > and we have > > Yes 34 > No 32 > Don't care 12 Based on these results, my own personal thoughts, and some brief discussion with the candidates, I'm leaning heavily towards not expending the effort on a debate this time around. I think much more could be gained from good discussions about the platforms here in -vote, and followups with the candidates on IRC (Sledge [Steve] and zack [Stefano] are highly active on IRC) than the debate itself. Also, since Stefano and Steve are in similar timezones, odds are good that you all can get them to engage each other on #debian-devel on an ad-hoc basis about the specific questions that bother you specifically, without having to wait for the rigamarole of an IRC debate. Don Armstrong -- "People selling drug paraphernalia ... are as much a part of drug trafficking as silencers are a part of criminal homicide." -- John Brown, DEA Chief http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
>> If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for >> DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the >> debates useful. > http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe Having this run for 7 days now, we had 72 participants. The question asked was "Are the Debian DPL IRC Debates useful and should we keep them?" and people could chose "Yes", "No", "I don't care, never looked at one." and we have Yes 34 No 32 Don't care 12 >From that one can chose Yes as a final winning option, but it is a very tiny margin. And some people did select Yes and No together. -- bye, Joerg > But i don't think that we talk a lot, as far as i can see, you live in > the USA. Australia. Only minor details like timezone and hemisphere but pretty much the same. TZ is UTC+10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
> Perhaps someone could set up a poll for DDs to indicate whether they > find the debates useful or not? [I think Jeroen was doing this last?] > If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for > DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the > debates useful. http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe -- bye, Joerg * maxx hat weasel seine erste packung suse gebracht, der hat mich dafür später zu debian gebracht .oO( und jetzt ist der DD. jeder macht mal fehler.. ) du hast 2 gemacht du warst auch noch advocate :P -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
Steve Langasek wrote: [...] > I'd like to raise the question of whether these IRC debates are really > something we should have. I know Don and the panelists put a lot of time > and effort into making the debates happen, which is part of why I ask the > question: is it really worth all this effort? What do we get out of a > three-hour real-time IRC debate that we don't already get from the > candidates' platforms and three weeks of discussion on debian-vote? I think the main thing I get is to see whether anyone is a hothead like I was or whether their first instincts are to ramble or spout buzzwords, as well as how well some of the candidates respond within fairly tight deadlines. Possibly interesting leadership skills. Even so, I feel we could shorten it quite a bit without significant loss and I think I've written as much before. (Put your own joke about debian being an endurance sport sometimes here.) The more structured (and time-consuming) Q+A part could happen by email beforehand, leaving just the moderated debate (questions from audience) and free-for-all for IRC, maybe as:- Start at 20:30 UTC 1. Introductions 2. Moderated Debate (up to 30 min, questions from audience, candidates answer as soon as ready) -- 5 minute break -- 3. Free For All (30 min of insanity, panel questions from audience) 4. Closing Remarks Stop by 21:55 UTC Would that be better? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 01:57:24PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: >Maybe folks decide who they would like before the voting starts which >would avoid the need for anything like an IRC chat or a ML discussion. >Would it useful to get a sense of how DD's determine who they vote for? >A simple multiple choice questionaire with a few open ended options? If that is the case, then how about simply voting 1 month earlier :-P - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmq3v4ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhu2ACfea2s6/7cwsATC151bHccFfWU DYAAnRQpP3Etjxxm6Xgiaptc2rbE23YP =AFxg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:50:24PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 02:10:38AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Debian Project Secretary wrote: > > > | Period | Start| End| > > > |+--+| > > > | Nomination | Sunday, March 1st, 2009 | Saterday, March 7th, 2009 | > > > | Campaign | Sunday, March 8th, 2009 | Saterday, March 28th, 2009 | > > > | Vote | Sunday, March 29th, 2009 | Saterday, April 11th, 2009 | > > > > I suggest that potential DPL candidates start getting their platform > > > ready. I would like to receive them before the campaign period > > > start. > > > As I've apparently volunteered to moderate the debate again,[0] it > > falls to me to remind prospective candidates to calculate their > > schedule for the week of the 21st->28th, and soon after they self > > nominate forward the times during that week which they can absolutely > > not debate as well as times that they'd rather not debate to me. [This > > will help me to avoid having to schedule the debate smack in the > > middle of some erstwhile candidate's coffin time.[0.577]] > > > Those who have suggestions for alterations to the format can also make > > those known in a reply to this message (refer to last year's debate > > format[1] if you've forgotten what we did last year, suffer from > > amnesia or are incapable of forming long term memories or faking them > > by the creative use of google and blogs). > > > People who'd like to help run the debate and/or collect questions can > > also volunteer with a message to -vote. > > I'd like to raise the question of whether these IRC debates are really > something we should have. I know Don and the panelists put a lot of time > and effort into making the debates happen, which is part of why I ask the > question: is it really worth all this effort? What do we get out of a > three-hour real-time IRC debate that we don't already get from the > candidates' platforms and three weeks of discussion on debian-vote? > > All I see that we get is a measure of how comfortable the candidate is with > (English-language) IRC as a medium, which is just not that interesting to me > as a factor in deciding who I'm going to vote for as DPL. Is it to other > people, or are others getting something else out of this that I'm > overlooking? > > For the last two election cycles, I've ignored the IRC debate completely, > and I don't feel that I missed anything. Am I mistaken? People gather their impressions and opinions about the candidates from a variety of settings, contexts, dialogs, meetings, etc. There are various inputs that folks use: does the person share my views on (the DFSG, the GPL, etc.), are they likeable, do they solve group conflicts well, are they from my country, have I worked with them on a project, did I meet them at a conference, and a lot of other things. Maybe folks decide who they would like before the voting starts which would avoid the need for anything like an IRC chat or a ML discussion. Would it useful to get a sense of how DD's determine who they vote for? A simple multiple choice questionaire with a few open ended options? or maybe ask if the IRC chat affect their choice in any election? -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > I'd like to raise the question of whether these IRC debates are > really something we should have. I know Don and the panelists put a > lot of time and effort into making the debates happen, which is part > of why I ask the question: is it really worth all this effort? What > do we get out of a three-hour real-time IRC debate that we don't > already get from the candidates' platforms and three weeks of > discussion on debian-vote? I know that I personally learn a lot, but that's primarily as a consequence of having to prepare to ask non-naive questions. I'm not sure if a me-too thread would be the right way to do this, but I'd certainly be glad to know if it's something that people find useful and intersting, because there's no question that doing the debate consumes at least 30 person-hours of work with all of the participants. [And I could easily spend the 5-6 hours that it takes me to do them making debbugs better.] Perhaps someone could set up a poll for DDs to indicate whether they find the debates useful or not? [I think Jeroen was doing this last?] If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the debates useful. Don Armstrong -- "I was thinking seven figures," he said, "but I would have taken a hundred grand. I'm not a greedy person." [All for a moldy bottle of tropicana.] -- Sammi Hadzovic [in Andy Newman's 2003/02/14 NYT article.] http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/14/nyregion/14EYEB.html http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 02:10:38AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Debian Project Secretary wrote: > > | Period | Start| End| > > |+--+| > > | Nomination | Sunday, March 1st, 2009 | Saterday, March 7th, 2009 | > > | Campaign | Sunday, March 8th, 2009 | Saterday, March 28th, 2009 | > > | Vote | Sunday, March 29th, 2009 | Saterday, April 11th, 2009 | > > I suggest that potential DPL candidates start getting their platform > > ready. I would like to receive them before the campaign period > > start. > As I've apparently volunteered to moderate the debate again,[0] it > falls to me to remind prospective candidates to calculate their > schedule for the week of the 21st->28th, and soon after they self > nominate forward the times during that week which they can absolutely > not debate as well as times that they'd rather not debate to me. [This > will help me to avoid having to schedule the debate smack in the > middle of some erstwhile candidate's coffin time.[0.577]] > Those who have suggestions for alterations to the format can also make > those known in a reply to this message (refer to last year's debate > format[1] if you've forgotten what we did last year, suffer from > amnesia or are incapable of forming long term memories or faking them > by the creative use of google and blogs). > People who'd like to help run the debate and/or collect questions can > also volunteer with a message to -vote. I'd like to raise the question of whether these IRC debates are really something we should have. I know Don and the panelists put a lot of time and effort into making the debates happen, which is part of why I ask the question: is it really worth all this effort? What do we get out of a three-hour real-time IRC debate that we don't already get from the candidates' platforms and three weeks of discussion on debian-vote? All I see that we get is a measure of how comfortable the candidate is with (English-language) IRC as a medium, which is just not that interesting to me as a factor in deciding who I'm going to vote for as DPL. Is it to other people, or are others getting something else out of this that I'm overlooking? For the last two election cycles, I've ignored the IRC debate completely, and I don't feel that I missed anything. Am I mistaken? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
Don Armstrong wrote: > People who'd like to help run the debate and/or collect questions can > also volunteer with a message to -vote. I'd like to do either, as previous years. Regards, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 02:10:38AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> 1.618: Yes, for some reason I've adopted irrational footnote
> numbering. Don't ask why.[2.718]
Actually, no.
As long as you are bound to write them in finite space using decimal
notation, your footnotes still look like terribly rational:
[1618/1000], [2718/1000] (I didn't bother to normalize).
SCNR :-P :-D
--
Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7
z...@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/
Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..| . |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie
sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
