Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

[Philipp Kern]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35:23AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> --
>  - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the 
> debian-devel-announce
>mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer
>Status";
> 
>  - Given the importance of defining how the Project accepts new members;
> 
>  - Because of the strong opposition to the method used to prepare, discuss and
>decide the announced changes, and without judging their validity;
> 
>  - In accordance with the paragraphs 4.1(3) and 4.2(2.2) of the Constitution;
> 
> The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides:
> 
>   The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce
>   mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) are
>   suspended [§4.1(3)].  This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)].
> 
> In addition, the developers make the following statement:
> 
>   The delegates of the Project leader are asked to not take decisions that are
>   not consensual about the membership procedures of the Project, and to let
>   these procedures change by way of a general resolution if no consensus
>   can be reached.
> --

Seconded.

Kind regards,
Philipp Kern
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Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

[Rémi Vanicat]

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Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> The message in [EMAIL PROTECTED] has received
> enough seconds to start the discussion period. The text of the
> resolution is:
> --
>  - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the 
> debian-devel-announce
>mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer
>Status";
>
>  - Given the importance of defining how the Project accepts new members;
>
>  - Because of the strong opposition to the method used to prepare, discuss and
>decide the announced changes, and without judging their validity;
>
>  - In accordance with the paragraphs 4.1(3) and 4.2(2.2) of the Constitution;
>
> The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides:
>
>   The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce
>   mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) are
>   suspended [§4.1(3)].  This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)].
>
> In addition, the developers make the following statement:
>
>   The delegates of the Project leader are asked to not take decisions that are
>   not consensual about the membership procedures of the Project, and to let
>   these procedures change by way of a general resolution if no consensus
>   can be reached.
> --

seconded
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Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

[Neil McGovern]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:31:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> That makes 1 proposer + 6 seconders = 7 sponsors for that GR. We would
> need 3 more for the decisions to be put on hold immediately.

A seconder is a sponsor, so you'd need 4 more. The original proposer
cannot also sponsor the item:
  A resolution or amendment is introduced if proposed by any Developer
  and sponsored by at least K other Developers.

However, I also see yourself and Bastian Blank have sponsored this, you
you need three more for an instant vote to be triggered on if the
decision should be delayed until the GR is over or not.[0]

Neil
[0] Which has a voting period of two weeks, but can be varied by 1 week
by the DPL. DPL, would you be willing to do so if this situation occurs?
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Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures

[Jurij Smakov]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35:23AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> --
>  - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the 
> debian-devel-announce
>mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer
>Status";
> 
>  - Given the importance of defining how the Project accepts new members;
> 
>  - Because of the strong opposition to the method used to prepare, discuss and
>decide the announced changes, and without judging their validity;
> 
>  - In accordance with the paragraphs 4.1(3) and 4.2(2.2) of the Constitution;
> 
> The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides:
> 
>   The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce
>   mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) are
>   suspended [§4.1(3)].  This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)].
> 
> In addition, the developers make the following statement:
> 
>   The delegates of the Project leader are asked to not take decisions that are
>   not consensual about the membership procedures of the Project, and to let
>   these procedures change by way of a general resolution if no consensus
>   can be reached.
> --

Seconded.
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Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

[Bastian Blank]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:35:23AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> --
>  - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the 
> debian-devel-announce
>mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer
>Status";
> 
>  - Given the importance of defining how the Project accepts new members;
> 
>  - Because of the strong opposition to the method used to prepare, discuss and
>decide the announced changes, and without judging their validity;
> 
>  - In accordance with the paragraphs 4.1(3) and 4.2(2.2) of the Constitution;
> 
> The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides:
> 
>   The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce
>   mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) are
>   suspended [§4.1(3)].  This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)].
> 
> In addition, the developers make the following statement:
> 
>   The delegates of the Project leader are asked to not take decisions that are
>   not consensual about the membership procedures of the Project, and to let
>   these procedures change by way of a general resolution if no consensus
>   can be reached.
> --

Seconded.

Bastian

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Re: Discussion period: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 27/10/08 at 10:35 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> --
>  - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the 
> debian-devel-announce
>mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer
>Status";
> 
>  - Given the importance of defining how the Project accepts new members;
> 
>  - Because of the strong opposition to the method used to prepare, discuss and
>decide the announced changes, and without judging their validity;
> 
>  - In accordance with the paragraphs 4.1(3) and 4.2(2.2) of the Constitution;
> 
> The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides:
> 
>   The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce
>   mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) are
>   suspended [§4.1(3)].  This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)].
> 
> In addition, the developers make the following statement:
> 
>   The delegates of the Project leader are asked to not take decisions that are
>   not consensual about the membership procedures of the Project, and to let
>   these procedures change by way of a general resolution if no consensus
>   can be reached.
> --

Seconded, as I also seconded the previous version[1].
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/10/msg00110.html

That makes 1 proposer + 6 seconders = 7 sponsors for that GR. We would
need 3 more for the decisions to be put on hold immediately.
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