Re: more GRs to come (Re: Current GRs clarification)
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud dijo [Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:40:06AM +0200]: > Hi Holger, > > Le lundi, 8 août 2016, 13.34:07 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit : > > So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR > > of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying debian-private" > > if *this* GR turns out to result in "further discussion". > > Here we are. :) Are you still interested in proposing this new GR? Humh, I was precisely thinking about the same while having dinner. So, I'll bite Holger's bullet and proceed with it :) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: more GRs to come (Re: Current GRs clarification)
Hi Holger, Le lundi, 8 août 2016, 13.34:07 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit : > So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR > of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying debian-private" > if *this* GR turns out to result in "further discussion". Here we are. :) Are you still interested in proposing this new GR? -- Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: more GRs to come (Re: Current GRs clarification)
Hi,
Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 11:06:03PM +0200, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt
> Roeckx wrote:
> > GR about declassifying debian-private
> > =
> >
> > There are 2 options on the ballot:
> > - Choice 1: Allow declassifying parts of debian-private
> > - Choice 2: Further Discussion
> >
> > If the first option wins, the GR of 2005 is repealed and replaced
> > by this GR. If the second option wins, nothing changes and the GR
> > of 2005 will stay in effect.
>
> I expressed my surprise about a missing third option ("depeal the GR
> of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying
> debian-private") on #debian-private and have learned there that this
> seems to have been an oversight / others agree that there should have
> been this third option.
>
> So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR
> of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying debian-private"
> if *this* GR turns out to result in "further discussion".
Seconded.
> (Because I think if choice 1 does *not* win, the project doesnt really
> want further discussion but rather this idea to be burried for good.)
Exactly.
Regards, Axel
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Re: more GRs to come (Re: Current GRs clarification)
On 08/08/2016 03:34 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> I expressed my surprise about a missing third option ("depeal the GR
> of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying
> debian-private") on #debian-private and have learned there that this
> seems to have been an oversight / others agree that there should have
> been this third option.
I agree. I found it rather alienating that we are having a vote which basically
has the options "Yes" and "Continue arguing" but not a "No" which is I think
is as much as a legitimate answer as "Yes" is. I feel the same about the other,
currently pending GR, independent of what it's actually about.
If we set up a vote to ask a closed-ended question, we should always provide
both options, i.e. agreement or disagreement. Because if you're having a vote
and ask a large audience for their opinion on a certain topic you should
always be prepared to accept the opposite view.
> Obviously, if choice 1 does win, I will *not* propose a GR to overcome this.
> But if choice 1 does *not* win, I don't think the projects want "further
> discussion" but rather "choice 3".
I fully agree.
> If you reply, please respect the reply-to: headers.
Done! Thanks for reminding me :).
Cheers,
Adrian
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more GRs to come (Re: Current GRs clarification)
Hi Kurt,
thanks for these clarifications!
On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 11:06:03PM +0200, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt
Roeckx wrote:
> GR about declassifying debian-private
> =
>
> There are 2 options on the ballot:
> - Choice 1: Allow declassifying parts of debian-private
> - Choice 2: Further Discussion
>
> If the first option wins, the GR of 2005 is repealed and replaced
> by this GR. If the second option wins, nothing changes and the GR
> of 2005 will stay in effect.
I expressed my surprise about a missing third option ("depeal the GR
of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying
debian-private") on #debian-private and have learned there that this
seems to have been an oversight / others agree that there should have
been this third option.
So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR
of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying debian-private"
if *this* GR turns out to result in "further discussion".
(Because I think if choice 1 does *not* win, the project doesnt really
want further discussion but rather this idea to be burried for good.)
Obviously, if choice 1 does win, I will *not* propose a GR to overcome this.
But if choice 1 does *not* win, I don't think the projects want "further
discussion" but rather "choice 3".
If you reply, please respect the reply-to: headers.
--
cheers,
Holger
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