Bug#154281: libdvdcss: changing back from ITP to RFP
retitle 154281 RFP: libdvdcss -- Library to read scrambled DVDs noowner 154281 tag 154281 - pending thanks Hi, This is an automatic email to change the status of libdvdcss back from ITP (Intent to Package) to RFP (Request for Package), because this bug hasn't seen any activity during the last 12 months. If you are still interested in adopting libdvdcss, please send a mail to with: retitle 154281 ITP: libdvdcss -- Library to read scrambled DVDs owner 154281 ! thanks However, it is not recommended to keep ITP for a long time without acting on the package, as it might cause other prospective maintainers to refrain from packaging that software. It is also a good idea to document your progress on this ITP from time to time, by mailing <154...@bugs.debian.org>. Thank you for your interest in Debian, -- Lucas, for the QA team -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1369661052.483678.3667.nullmai...@xanadu.blop.info
Bug#154281: libdvdcss
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: > Ok. What are the necessary steps to request that we hire a lawyer to > resolve this? Can I do it on my own or is SPI the entity who should take > action here? I don't know about those steps, but I have some additional information about libdvdcss. As you know, it is already distributed worldwide by many OS vendors (OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Gentoo, SourceMage). Only FreeBSD seems to be distributing it in binary form. But the Lindows DVD player [1] also came to my attention. This player is based on Xine (which is GPL). I first thought they were using a closed-source access plugin to decrypt DVDs, but according to non-official sources they are actually using libdvdcss and bought a license for it from "some DVD organization" [2]. I find this extremely interesting, because: 1. It seems to legitimize the very _existence_ of libdvdcss. libdvdcss blatantly ignores the disc region, is shipped with 31 player keys (while commercial players only have their single private key), and can crack the DVD's title key if the usual way to retrieve it does not work. All this with the benediction of "some DVD organization" (which is probably the DVD CCA)! 2. If Lindows are respecting the GPL, it means that libdvdcss is shipped with no additional restriction. Which means we just have to download libdvdcss from them, and re-distribute it. It's a magical world. Is anyone a LindowsOS Warehouse subscriber? I think it would be interesting to know what license the DVD player is distributed under, and the member's price is only $4.95. The normal price is $39.95 and I definitely don't have that much money to spend. [1] http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=11804 [2] http://sf.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=2900337&forum_id=7131 Regards, -- Sam.
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
[ this thread comes from libdvdcss ITP #154281 ] On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:21:53PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:01:46PM +, Robert Millan wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 11:31:08AM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: > > > > As for the legal advice, what do you mean? Do you suggest that we > > > > hire a lawyer to advocate in favour of libdvdcss? > > > > > >I suggest we hire a lawyer to tell us whether we may include > > > libdvdcss in Debian _or not_. This is roughly what we did for the > > > crypto-in-main issue. > > > > ok. where should this be brought forward? debian-devel? > > Surely not! Legal issues are for debian-legal. Ok. What are the necessary steps to request that we hire a lawyer to resolve this? Can I do it on my own or is SPI the entity who should take action here? -- Robert Millan "[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work." -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:01:46PM +, Robert Millan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 11:31:08AM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: > > > As for the legal advice, what do you mean? Do you suggest that we > > > hire a lawyer to advocate in favour of libdvdcss? > > > >I suggest we hire a lawyer to tell us whether we may include > > libdvdcss in Debian _or not_. This is roughly what we did for the > > crypto-in-main issue. > > ok. where should this be brought forward? debian-devel? Surely not! Legal issues are for debian-legal. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 11:31:08AM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: > > > As for the legal advice, what do you mean? Do you suggest that we hire a > > lawyer to advocate in favour of libdvdcss? > >I suggest we hire a lawyer to tell us whether we may include libdvdcss > in Debian _or not_. This is roughly what we did for the crypto-in-main > issue. ok. where should this be brought forward? debian-devel? -- Robert Millan "[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work." -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: > As for the legal advice, what do you mean? Do you suggest that we hire a > lawyer to advocate in favour of libdvdcss? I suggest we hire a lawyer to tell us whether we may include libdvdcss in Debian _or not_. This is roughly what we did for the crypto-in-main issue. > In case it is in doubt wether > libdvdcss violates the DMCA, it is still pretty clear to me that the DMCA > can not be (legaly) enforced outside the jurisdiction of the USA. Right. But nothing ensures us that there are no other DMCA-like laws that libdvdcss may be infringing. It is also worth mentioning that most court cases involving DeCSS did not use the DMCA argument at all. > >Anyway, be assured that if I uploaded libdvdcss to the archive at > > this moment, no ftp-master would dare to accept it. I do not want to > > waste their time. > > Nor do I, but how can you assure it? Do you know if the ftp masters have > ever pronounced on this? and do you know if there has been any "rejected" > or "frozen" attempts at uploading libdvdcss? My vlc-css packages (CSS-enabled VLC) were never accepted, and I did upload them to non-US, not main. -- Sam.
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:26:47AM +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > >The conclusion was from a single individual. I fully agree with Brian's > analysis, but I am not a legal professional, and I do not live in the > United States. I will not upload a libdvdcss package until we have a > consensus and legal advice. Maybe we should have yet another discussion > about it on debian-legal. We had (at least) one consensus in debian-legal, which ended with Brian's argument. It's pointless to keep arguing over the same issue during _years_ just to come up with the same conclussion. As for the legal advice, what do you mean? Do you suggest that we hire a lawyer to advocate in favour of libdvdcss? In case it is in doubt wether libdvdcss violates the DMCA, it is still pretty clear to me that the DMCA can not be (legaly) enforced outside the jurisdiction of the USA. >Anyway, be assured that if I uploaded libdvdcss to the archive at > this moment, no ftp-master would dare to accept it. I do not want to > waste their time. Nor do I, but how can you assure it? Do you know if the ftp masters have ever pronounced on this? and do you know if there has been any "rejected" or "frozen" attempts at uploading libdvdcss? -- Robert Millan "[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work." -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003, Robert Millan wrote: > I see that you're the current maintainer of the debian package in upstream, > and you're also a Debian member. The conclussion in debian-legal [1] was very > clear, so why haven't you uploaded libdvdcss to the archive? The conclusion was from a single individual. I fully agree with Brian's analysis, but I am not a legal professional, and I do not live in the United States. I will not upload a libdvdcss package until we have a consensus and legal advice. Maybe we should have yet another discussion about it on debian-legal. Anyway, be assured that if I uploaded libdvdcss to the archive at this moment, no ftp-master would dare to accept it. I do not want to waste their time. -- Sam.
Bug#154281: libdvdcss ITP
Hi Sam, Mikael Hedin hasn't responded to my queries on libdvdcss's ITP (#154281) for a long time now, and I have taken it. I see that you're the current maintainer of the debian package in upstream, and you're also a Debian member. The conclussion in debian-legal [1] was very clear, so why haven't you uploaded libdvdcss to the archive? [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2000/debian-devel-200012/msg00746.html -- Robert Millan "[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work." -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)
