Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
Hi,
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I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After
the check, i've some doubts about the license:
Quoting debian/copyright:
IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael Sandrof. You have the
right to copy, compile, and maintain this software. You also
have the right to make modifcations to this code for local use
only.
...for local use only. ?!
Version 2.1.1 to 2.2pre7 are Copyright 1991, 1992 Troy Rollo.
Versions 2.2pre8 and above are copyright (c) 1992-1996
matthew green. Any modifications to this code may be
redistributed with this copyright attached.
Two modules of the source code, ('scandir.c', copyright 1983), and
('glob.c', copyright 1993) are copyright by the Regents of the
University of California, with modifications by various contributers.
All rights are reserved by the University of California.
All rights are reserved by the University of California. ?!
This software is provided ``as is'' and without any express or
implied warranties, including, without limitation, the implied
warranties of merchantibility and fitness for a particular purpose.
Some modifications made to the original (stock) client:
Copyright (C) 1993, 1997 Jeremy Nelson,
Copyright (C) 1994 Jake Khuon,
Copyright (C) 1995, 1997 Jeremy Nelson and others (EPIC software
labs),
the rights to which are granted non-exclusively to matthew green and are
provided to you under the terms of this license.
Reading the source (source/irc.c):
[...]
* Written By Michael Sandrof
* Copyright(c) 1990
* See the COPYRIGHT file, or do a HELP IRCII COPYRIGHT
[...]
I can't found the original copyright file in the debian source package.
I'll prepare a new package, but will be it uploaded to the non-free
section?
Thanks in advance,
--
Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
p.s: epic isn't epic4.
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting debian/copyright: IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael Sandrof. You have the right to copy, compile, and maintain this software. You also have the right to make modifcations to this code for local use only. ...for local use only. ?! It doesn't appear that we have the right to redistribute the Sandrof code. Reading the source (source/irc.c): [...] * Written By Michael Sandrof * Copyright(c) 1990 * See the COPYRIGHT file, or do a HELP IRCII COPYRIGHT [...] I can't found the original copyright file in the debian source package. I'll prepare a new package, but will be it uploaded to the non-free section? I highly recommend that you file a bug requesting the removal of this package. Simon
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 12:46, Simon Law wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: [..] Reading the source (source/irc.c): [...] * Written By Michael Sandrof * Copyright(c) 1990 * See the COPYRIGHT file, or do a HELP IRCII COPYRIGHT [...] I can't found the original copyright file in the debian source package. I'll prepare a new package, but will be it uploaded to the non-free section? I highly recommend that you file a bug requesting the removal of this package. I guess that you're right. David can you do it? You're the current maintainer.If you can't, i need your agree to do it, according with Developers Reference[1]. If you fail to response i'll retitle #184670 again as O: and fill a bug against epic package reporting the license problem, exposed here. [1] = http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-removing-pkgs Thanks, -- Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html Michael Sandrof, Troy Rollo, and Matthew Green are putting the ircII code under a BSD-like license (without the advertising clause), retroactive to all versions of ircII, past and present. This action is to remove any doubt as to whether ircII is Open Source. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``Dear Anthony Towns: [...] Congratulations -- you are now certified as a Red Hat Certified Engineer!'' pgpY2TT5KcjAi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting debian/copyright: IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael Sandrof. You have the right to copy, compile, and maintain this software. You also have the right to make modifcations to this code for local use only. ...for local use only. ?! Now that I've dug further into this matter, I see this in ircii-pana's debian/copyright following a copy of the revised BSD: (This is the new IRC-II copyright, negotiated by David Welton of the Debian Project and applied retroactively by Michael Sandrof and the other original authors.) Looks like epic is OK after all. Simon
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It doesn't appear that we have the right to redistribute the Sandrof code. [...] I highly recommend that you file a bug requesting the removal of this package. No. Check the other ircii-based packages; Michael retro-actively re-licensed his code so it's free. You can find details (hopefully) in their copyright files or alternatively the list archives. -- James
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html Michael Sandrof, Troy Rollo, and Matthew Green are putting the ircII code under a BSD-like license (without the advertising clause), retroactive to all versions of ircII, past and present. This action is to remove any doubt as to whether ircII is Open Source. Thank you aj. Definitely the debian/copyright file needs a update.ASAP i'll do it and upload. Can we consider this issue solved? Are you agree Simon? Thank you, -- Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:26, Simon Law wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting debian/copyright: IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael Sandrof. You have the right to copy, compile, and maintain this software. You also have the right to make modifcations to this code for local use only. ...for local use only. ?! Now that I've dug further into this matter, I see this in ircii-pana's debian/copyright following a copy of the revised BSD: (This is the new IRC-II copyright, negotiated by David Welton of the Debian Project and applied retroactively by Michael Sandrof and the other original authors.) Looks like epic is OK after all. Where? At ircii source package i found: The following is the copyright of the current development Version. The Copyright was changed after David Welton of Debian has some talk to Michael Sandrof. If ircii and epic are ok with the license, the epic package needs a update in the copyright file. David, can you clarify to us? Bye, -- Gustavo Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:53:53PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html Michael Sandrof, Troy Rollo, and Matthew Green are putting the ircII code under a BSD-like license (without the advertising clause), retroactive to all versions of ircII, past and present. This action is to remove any doubt as to whether ircII is Open Source. Thank you aj. Definitely the debian/copyright file needs a update.ASAP i'll do it and upload. Can we consider this issue solved? Are you agree Simon? Yes, the issue is now settled. epic is DFSG-free. Simon P.S.Please configure your mail reader to respect Mail-Followup-To headers. I see that you have Cced me and AJ, even though we ask you not to.
