Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 01:15, Sean Harshbarger wrote: I feel not to change upstream's name. I threw the gnome in because Ticker is too simple and basic. I will admit that gnome-ticker is a bit broad as well, however this application has plenty of room to meet the broad description as it is only at version 0.1. If they had picked a decent name in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Not to discourage anyone writing open source software, but rather to encourage them to make better software, I think someone should suggest they go read the Software Release Practice HOWTO[1] and the Software Project Management HOWTO[2]. [1] - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-Release-Practice-HOWTO/index.html [2] - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-Proj-Mgmt-HOWTO/index.html -- The more I use other operating systems, the more I like Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org http://www.linux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
David B Harris wrote: c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? It's kind of orphaned and dead, feel free to superecede it. -- see shy jo pgpWcpcIG4Pdg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Sun Mar 23, 11:08pm -0800, Joey Hess wrote: David B Harris wrote: c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? It's kind of orphaned and dead, feel free to superecede it. Yeah, I noticed. That being said, if people could chose sensible names for packages (I understand ticker was packaged a fair time ago, mind :), we wouldn't need to care. I dunno what related name ticker could have gone under, but nevertheless. pgp0zG3AjguUT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
David B Harris wrote: On Sun Mar 23, 11:08pm -0800, Joey Hess wrote: David B Harris wrote: c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? It's kind of orphaned and dead, feel free to superecede it. Yeah, I noticed. That being said, if people could chose sensible names for packages (I understand ticker was packaged a fair time ago, mind :), we wouldn't need to care. I dunno what related name ticker could have gone under, but nevertheless. Yeah, ticker's name has always been one of the (several) strikes against it. At least I didn't call pdmenu 'menu'. :-P Anyway, it looks like the gnome-prefix makes sense here, so this is moot. Except I probably be be removing ticker from the archive one of these days. -- see shy jo pgpeVIoJr3YVm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 03:36, Joey Hess wrote: David B Harris wrote: On Sun Mar 23, 11:08pm -0800, Joey Hess wrote: David B Harris wrote: c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? It's kind of orphaned and dead, feel free to superecede it. Yeah, I noticed. That being said, if people could chose sensible names for packages (I understand ticker was packaged a fair time ago, mind :), we wouldn't need to care. I dunno what related name ticker could have gone under, but nevertheless. Yeah, ticker's name has always been one of the (several) strikes against it. At least I didn't call pdmenu 'menu'. :-P Anyway, it looks like the gnome-prefix makes sense here, so this is moot. Except I probably be be removing ticker from the archive one of these days. I feel not to change upstream's name. I threw the gnome in because Ticker is too simple and basic. I will admit that gnome-ticker is a bit broad as well, however this application has plenty of room to meet the broad description as it is only at version 0.1. I always try to stay close to what upstream names and describes about their application. The wonderful thing about our package system is being able to change these things as we go. Upstreams description is a bit underpowered, but will change as it matures into a more powerful application. -- Sean Harshbarger http://harshy.homelinux.org - Personal Website http://coaster.sourceforge.net - Coaster - The Gnome CD Burner So ya...this squirrel just pops out of nowhere. -Adam Powers signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 12:23:22AM -0500, David B Harris wrote: id have to disagree, the upstream name of the package should be used for the debian package name (ticker in this, not gnome-ticker), and the short description should include that it is a stock ticking program. That's unrealistic for several reasons: [...] an extreme example would be somebody distributing an image viewer named jpegview that didn't support the JPEG format. thats a good point. b) Our users care about what toolkits applications are written in; having an easily-identifiable nomenclature for that (gnome-*, for instance) makes their lives easier. to me, including toolkit information in the program name is duplication of information, since that information is already stated in the dependencies list of the package. c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? oops. will do next time. Perhaps you should explain _why_ you believe the upstream name should be used unconditionally. i dont think all of this unconditionally. my orignal point was that information about what a program does or what toolkit it uses is contained elsewhere in the packages control file, not in its package name. -- gram pgppY8MjFecL7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
That's unrealistic for several reasons: [...] an extreme example would be somebody distributing an image viewer named jpegview that didn't support the JPEG format. thats a good point. Thanks. b) Our users care about what toolkits applications are written in; having an easily-identifiable nomenclature for that (gnome-*, for instance) makes their lives easier. to me, including toolkit information in the program name is duplication of information, since that information is already stated in the dependencies list of the package. My concern was that that information is not readily-accessible. (There are already a huge number of packages in the archive, which people have to sift through; imagine having to list dependencies in the frontends too) c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? oops. will do next time. No probs. Perhaps you should explain _why_ you believe the upstream name should be used unconditionally. i dont think all of this unconditionally. my orignal point was that information about what a program does or what toolkit it uses is contained elsewhere in the packages control file, not in its package name. In that case, I'll apologise. Given this particular situation, I thought you were suggesting that it should be unconditional. pgprCD3IWmFaa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 04:31:40PM -0500, David B Harris wrote: b) Our users care about what toolkits applications are written in; i agree. having an easily-identifiable nomenclature for that (gnome-*, for instance) makes their lives easier. to me, including toolkit information in the program name is duplication of information, since that information is already stated in the dependencies list of the package. My concern was that that information is not readily-accessible. i guess it depends on what you mean by easily acessible. with aptitude i do i search for libgnomeui-0, hit the 'r' key, and *bam*, i can see all of the gnoem packages in debian. thats readily accessible to me. though i dont neccessarily expect everybody to know how (or want to know how) to do that. maybe the system that osamu, daniel, et al are working on will help here. imagine having to list dependencies in the frontends too) im not sure what you mean (or what frontend you use), since aptitude does display depedency information (though i guess not upfront). -- gram pgp10OMV6fLup.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-03-23 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-ticker Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Damon Brodie [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://brodiefamily.org/ticker * License : GPL Description : Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program. Features of Gnome Ticker are as follows. * Minimizes to Notification Area * All Stock quotes are always visible * Stock Charts for the current day are displayed -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable Architecture: all Kernel: Linux EclipseGST 2.4.19-k7 #1 Tue Nov 19 03:01:13 EST 2002 i686 Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Sun, 2003-03-23 at 17:48, Sean Harshbarger wrote: Description : Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program. Please don't repeat the name of the program. So what does it do? Features of Gnome Ticker are as follows. * Minimizes to Notification Area 1) What's the notification area (your description will be read by kde users too) 2) Is that the top feature? * All Stock quotes are always visible * Stock Charts for the current day are displayed -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
I demand that Sean Harshbarger may or may not have written... Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-03-23 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-ticker [snip] Description : Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program. That name's somewhat generic; gnome-stockticker would be better (unless it can display RSS/RDF, as commonly used for news headlines). -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | Debian woody, | youmustbejoking | Northumberland | RISC OS | demon co uk | Toon Army | Let's keep the pound sterling K Invalid colour, 0:1
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 11:18:00PM +, Darren Salt wrote: I demand that Sean Harshbarger may or may not have written... Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-03-23 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-ticker [snip] Description : Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program. That name's somewhat generic; gnome-stockticker would be better (unless it can display RSS/RDF, as commonly used for news headlines). id have to disagree, the upstream name of the package should be used for the debian package name (ticker in this, not gnome-ticker), and the short description should include that it is a stock ticking program. -- gram pgpvkNORuX5n0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#185997: ITP: gnome-ticker -- Gnome Ticker is a Stock watching program.
id have to disagree, the upstream name of the package should be used for the debian package name (ticker in this, not gnome-ticker), and the short description should include that it is a stock ticking program. That's unrealistic for several reasons: a) Upstreams don't always choose good names. The previous poster spelt out the conditions where gnome-ticker would be a good name; that is, if it supports a common generic ticker feed format. This application does not. I agree with those conditions. You don't get to name your software whatever you want and expect distributors to keep to it - an extreme example would be somebody distributing an image viewer named jpegview that didn't support the JPEG format. b) Our users care about what toolkits applications are written in; having an easily-identifiable nomenclature for that (gnome-*, for instance) makes their lives easier. c) There is already a ticker in the archive - did you even *check*? Perhaps you should explain _why_ you believe the upstream name should be used unconditionally. pgpQGQaNyIihk.pgp Description: PGP signature
