Bug#255850: nx: closing old inactive RFP
close 255850 thanks Hello, This is an automatic mail sent to close this RFP. Your RFP wnpp bug is being closed because of the following reasons: - It hasn't seen any activity for the last 18 months. - The amount of RFPs on the Debian BTS is huge and we need to clean up a bit the place. As this an automatic procedure, it could of course have something wrong and probably it would be closing some bugs that are not intended by owners and submitters to be closed, for example if the RFP is still of your interest, or there has been some kind of activity around it. In that case, please do not hesitate to reopen the bug! To re-open it, you simply have to mail cont...@bugs.debian.org with a body text like this: reopen 123456 thanks bts Replacing '123456' for the number of your RFP bug. The subject of the mail is ignored. Or if you have any kind of problems when dealing with the BTS, feel free to contact me and I'd be more than happy to help you on this: lu...@debian.org. Thanks for your cooperation, -- Lucas, for the QA team debian...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-wnpp-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1311782242.736786.28541.nullmai...@xanadu.blop.info
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Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] freenx debian packaging
Emilio Scalise schrieb am Tuesday, den 08. January 2008: There was a google summer of code about the integration of nx and xorg. Nobody did it :-( I understand all the concerns about creating a clean package. But what about Its not about clean, its about supporting and code duplication. a semi-ufficial package (maybe for experimental) until things will change? This package will never be accepted by the ftp-master. He told me that personally. So - no - there is no chance. As all of you already said on the pkg-nx-group mailing list, Suse and redhat do this, and event support it with security patches. So why we can't do it? I don't want to start a religious flame. You can do if you want. I'm personally not interested if the package won't go into main. And I don't want to do security support for such a nightmare on my own. Like we do with ati and nvidia closed drivers we could write on the description why freenx and nx is bad. Then the user will choose to use it or not. Its a nightmare to support. The debian security team will not. Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] freenx debian packaging
So the only solution is to switch to xrdp + vnc4server (that on lan is good enough for my needs), or nomachine proprietary packages if I really want to use nx (on low bandwidth links, nx is unbeatable). This is sad, but there are no other alternatives. I hope that sometime the nx protocol will be implemented as an clean xorg extension or an alternative with similar performance will be developed. Il Wednesday 09 January 2008 10:22:07 Alexander Wirt ha scritto: Emilio Scalise schrieb am Tuesday, den 08. January 2008: There was a google summer of code about the integration of nx and xorg. Nobody did it :-( I understand all the concerns about creating a clean package. But what about Its not about clean, its about supporting and code duplication. a semi-ufficial package (maybe for experimental) until things will change? This package will never be accepted by the ftp-master. He told me that personally. So - no - there is no chance. As all of you already said on the pkg-nx-group mailing list, Suse and redhat do this, and event support it with security patches. So why we can't do it? I don't want to start a religious flame. You can do if you want. I'm personally not interested if the package won't go into main. And I don't want to do security support for such a nightmare on my own. Like we do with ati and nvidia closed drivers we could write on the description why freenx and nx is bad. Then the user will choose to use it or not. Its a nightmare to support. The debian security team will not. Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: freenx debian packaging
What is the state of freenx packaging in debian? I've searched a lot on the web, but there are no recent packages on the net. Kanotix repo maintainer who had built some freenx packages left the job. There were some packages for ubuntu, but they are now outdated: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/dists/feisty-seveas/freenx/ Jeremy Wilkins updated them, and a repository with those packages (further updated by Marcelo Boveto Shima) can be found at https://edge.launchpad.net/~marceloshima/+archive I've taken them and compiled on Etch (as backports with pbuilder). They worked, but I had problems with session management. I think we should work improving things. We must also discuss to choose which nx version we should use as backed (Marcelo used nx 3.1, that's not so supported by freenx upstream..). Fedora currently has official packages of freenx 0.7.1 and nx 2.1.0. These packages are actively maintained and there are patches that solve many bugs present upstream. We could use also use those sources as a starting point, naturally changing the distro-relative things, like paths etc etc. I can help in packaging, as I have some knowledge about it. I know nx from the administrator point of view. I've also contributed to compiz/compiz-fusion packages, so I'm not so new about the debian-x politics and procedures. Please let me know if the alioth group is still active, if someone is interested in those packages for official inclusion or not. Regards, Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: freenx debian packaging
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Emilio Scalise wrote: What is the state of freenx packaging in debian? I've searched a lot on the web, but there are no recent packages on the net. Kanotix repo maintainer who had built some freenx packages left the job. There were some packages for ubuntu, but they are now outdated: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/dists/feisty-seveas/freenx/ Jeremy Wilkins updated them, and a repository with those packages (further updated by Marcelo Boveto Shima) can be found at https://edge.launchpad.net/~marceloshima/+archive I've taken them and compiled on Etch (as backports with pbuilder). They worked, but I had problems with session management. I think we should work improving things. We must also discuss to choose which nx version we should use as backed (Marcelo used nx 3.1, that's not so supported by freenx upstream..). Fedora currently has official packages of freenx 0.7.1 and nx 2.1.0. These packages are actively maintained and there are patches that solve many bugs present upstream. We could use also use those sources as a starting point, naturally changing the distro-relative things, like paths etc etc. I can help in packaging, as I have some knowledge about it. I know nx from the administrator point of view. I've also contributed to compiz/compiz-fusion packages, so I'm not so new about the debian-x politics and procedures. Please let me know if the alioth group is still active, if someone is interested in those packages for official inclusion or not. Does freenx still ship it's own X libs? It would be nice to integrate the funcionality in Xorg. I've tried updating freenx in the past, and the experience was awful (and it failed, obviously). t -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] freenx debian packaging
Timo Aaltonen schrieb am Tuesday, den 08. January 2008: Hi, *snip* Does freenx still ship it's own X libs? It would be nice to integrate the funcionality in Xorg. I've tried updating freenx in the past, and the experience was awful (and it failed, obviously). Last time I looked freenx was a shell script around the normal nx stuff. Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] freenx debian packaging
Emilio Scalise schrieb am Tuesday, den 08. January 2008: What is the state of freenx packaging in debian? There is still the problem with massively duplicated sourcecode which prevents most people from build NX debian packages. NX will never be included into Debian if its include sources of X, Samba and so on. Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] freenx debian packaging
There was a google summer of code about the integration of nx and xorg. Nobody did it :-( I understand all the concerns about creating a clean package. But what about a semi-ufficial package (maybe for experimental) until things will change? As all of you already said on the pkg-nx-group mailing list, Suse and redhat do this, and event support it with security patches. So why we can't do it? I don't want to start a religious flame. Like we do with ati and nvidia closed drivers we could write on the description why freenx and nx is bad. Then the user will choose to use it or not. What I can use in alternative to NX? (I've tried xrdp, but I missed some things about it's configuration). Bye, Emilio Il Tuesday 08 January 2008 14:37:08 Alexander Wirt ha scritto: Timo Aaltonen schrieb am Tuesday, den 08. January 2008: Hi, *snip* Does freenx still ship it's own X libs? It would be nice to integrate the funcionality in Xorg. I've tried updating freenx in the past, and the experience was awful (and it failed, obviously). Last time I looked freenx was a shell script around the normal nx stuff. Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: Ping to WNPP bugs
This is a ping to my WNPP bugs. I am still alive, but have been recently been tasked with quite a bit of travel for work. My time to work on these will be limited in the coming weeks, but I still plan on getting to them. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#255850:
Hi, is someone again (or still?) working on the NX packages? It would be really nice to have them in Debian for lenny. If sponsorship is needed I could help, same goes for random packaging questions, etc. but I don't intend to maintain the NX packages as I already have enough to do with my other packages ;) Bye -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: help needed?
Heya, as I plan to use NX please let me know if there's anything I can help with. Are your packages in alioth's svn? Cheers, Bernd -- Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bzed.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: help needed?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 04:30:50PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Heya, as I plan to use NX please let me know if there's anything I can help with. Are your packages in alioth's svn? Not yet. This semester finishes next month and I am not planning on taking any classes over the summer, so I plan to have more time to dedicate to this soon. Thanks for your interest. I'll let you know. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#255850: help needed?
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Heya, as I plan to use NX please let me know if there's anything I can help with. Are your packages in alioth's svn? I don't think anyone's working on them at the moment. But yes, they are in Alioth SVN. -- Pelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: freenx
Is it possible to have that stuff at least in experimental distro? regards fEnIo -- ,''`. Bartosz Fenski | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | pgp:0x13fefc40 | irc:fEnIo : :' : 32-050 Skawina - Glowackiego 3/15 - malopolskie v. - Poland `. `' phone:+48602383548 | proud Debian maintainer and user `- http://skawina.eu.org | jid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | rlu:172001 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: anything happening with this ITP?
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 05:05:08PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: Hello, Just a (not-quite) annual Is anything happening with this ITP mail.. Not at the moment. I am currently in the thick of trying to help get the new cyrus-sasl package in sufficiently good shape to meet the Etch release. After that I intend to turn my attention to NX again. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#255850: anything happening with this ITP?
Hello, Just a (not-quite) annual Is anything happening with this ITP mail.. Yours, -- Jon Dowland signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#255850: anything happening with this ITP?
Jon Dowland: Hello, Just a (not-quite) annual Is anything happening with this ITP mail.. Nothing, ATM. I had almost forgot about this one. I did some work which is in the SVN. There has been a new upstream release since then. -- Pelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: Packaging NX
Hi everyone, Since the NX packaging effort seems to have been stalled, I'd like to volunteer to get NX into Debian. Everyone is invited to help, of course. Please let me know if you're also working on packaging NX or if you have any objections. -- Pelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] Packaging NX
On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:57:26PM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote: Hi everyone, Since the NX packaging effort seems to have been stalled, I'd like to volunteer to get NX into Debian. Everyone is invited to help, of course. Please let me know if you're also working on packaging NX or if you have any objections. OK. I added you to the project. I promise I will have time Real Soon Now (TM) to start helping out again as well. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#255850: Packaging NX
2006/9/17, Per Olofsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everyone, Since the NX packaging effort seems to have been stalled, I'd like to volunteer to get NX into Debian. Everyone is invited to help, of course. Please let me know if you're also working on packaging NX or if you have any objections. Yes! Please package it finally. Would be great to see this useful piece of software in Etch. regards fEnIo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: [Pkg-nx-group] Packaging NX
Roberto C. Sanchez: On Sun, Sep 17, 2006 at 12:57:26PM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote: Hi everyone, Since the NX packaging effort seems to have been stalled, I'd like to volunteer to get NX into Debian. Everyone is invited to help, of course. Please let me know if you're also working on packaging NX or if you have any objections. OK. I added you to the project. I promise I will have time Real Soon Now (TM) to start helping out again as well. Great, thanks! -- Pelle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: (no subject)
OK. No activity in more than a year. The website where the packages were offered early in the thread no longer exists. If there are no objections, I will take over the ITP. What is the state to get FreeNX in sid? Greets, Jonas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: packaging of FreeNX
OK. No activity in more than a year. The website where the packages were offered early in the thread no longer exists. If there are no objections, I will take over the ITP. What is the state to get FreeNX in sid? Greets, Jonas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: packaging of FreeNX
On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 03:56:50PM +0200, Jonas Genannt wrote: OK. No activity in more than a year. The website where the packages were offered early in the thread no longer exists. If there are no objections, I will take over the ITP. What is the state to get FreeNX in sid? An Alioth project has been created, but unfortunately nothing further has occurred. I have personally been very busy with school and my other packages, so I am not sure what will happen. https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-nx/ -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto pgpKHfamMyjFB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#255850: Packaging of freenx
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 04:27:58PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 at 10:16 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I asked a while back (on IRC) about packaging the NX components that are under the GPL. Someone pointed me to Fabian's packages in Skole Linux. Anyhow, those packages are 6 months old and probably not going into Debian. Fabian has also not responded to my email. See #255850, maybe it could give you some information. OK. No activity in more than a year. The website where the packages were offered early in the thread no longer exists. If there are no objections, I will take over the ITP. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr pgpj9h9pBUFWO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#255850: Packaging of freenx
On Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:40, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 04:27:58PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 at 10:16 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I asked a while back (on IRC) about packaging the NX components that are under the GPL. Someone pointed me to Fabian's packages in Skole Linux. Anyhow, those packages are 6 months old and probably not going into Debian. Fabian has also not responded to my email. See #255850, maybe it could give you some information. OK. No activity in more than a year. The website where the packages were offered early in the thread no longer exists. Well, it indeed exists but some problems with the registrar left them without domain :P, you can find the packages at: http://kalyxo-archive.mornfall.net/ If there are no objections, I will take over the ITP. I don't have any objections if you have used FreeNX for a while, know its architecture, ... Best regards -- Isaac Clerencia at Warp Networks, http://www.warp.es Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpgD4s6tNwWL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#255850: Packaging of freenx
* Roberto C. Sanchez | On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 04:27:58PM +0200, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: | On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 at 10:16 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: | I asked a while back (on IRC) about packaging the NX components that are | under the GPL. Someone pointed me to Fabian's packages in Skole Linux. | Anyhow, those packages are 6 months old and probably not going into | Debian. Fabian has also not responded to my email. | | See #255850, maybe it could give you some information. | | OK. No activity in more than a year. The website where the packages | were offered early in the thread no longer exists. | | If there are no objections, I will take over the ITP. I talked with Stefan Lippers-Hollmann a few days ago about it and apart from some technical problems with it (namely that the NX build system is an interesting case of let's see how messed-up we can make this build and no development package), it's almost ready to go into sid. I've offered to sponsor him if he needs that and would be interested in helping out with packaging. Note that there's a pkg-nx repository on alioth too, even though it hasn't been used for anything yet. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `-
Bug#255850: What's the state of nx for debian?
As there has not been any (visible) activity on this ITP, I'd like to ask what's the current state of packaging? I know there are packages available from other locations, but are there any plans to upload nx to debian? Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#255850: Added packages: nxtunnel-client and nxtunnel-server
I've added nxtunnel-client and nxtunnel-server, for details see http://www.kalyxo.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoMachineNX and README.Debian in those packages. -- Peter Rockai (mornfall), mornfall()logisys!dyndns!org, mornfall.homeip.net --- He says gods like to see an atheist around. Gives them something to aim at. -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Bug#255850: ITP: nx -- NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 02:34:21PM +0200, Peter Rockai (mornfall) wrote: Description : NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system NoMachine NX is the next-generation X compression and roundtrip suppression scheme. It can operate remote X11 sessions over 56k modem dialup links or anything better. Thanks! Marcelo
Bug#255850: ITP: nx -- NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: nx Version : 1.3.99 Upstream Author : NoMachine * URL : http://www.nomachine.com/ * License : GPL Description : NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system NoMachine NX is the next-generation X compression and roundtrip suppression scheme. It can operate remote X11 sessions over 56k modem dialup links or anything better. Package is being split as follows: Package: nxagent Description: NoMachine NX - nesting X server with roundtrip suppression NoMachine NX is the next-generation X compression and roundtrip suppression scheme. It can operate remote X11 sessions over 56k modem dialup links or anything better. . The nxagent is an X server based on Xnest, but modified for the purpose of reducing roundtrips over high-latency networks significantly. It is run on the client side of X, that is, on the machine where X clients run. It connects, over the wire, to your regular X server, possibly through nxproxy. Package: nxproxy Description: NoMachine NX - X protocol compression proxy NoMachine NX is the next-generation X compression and roundtrip suppression scheme. It can operate remote X11 sessions over 56k modem dialup links or anything better. . The nxproxy runs on the X server side of the wire and thus accompanies the nxagent running on X client side. It provides the protocol compression and caching part of the NX scheme. Plus the compression libraries used by those: libnxcomp0 and libnxcompext0. Also nxssh will be packaged as part of nx source package. Preliminary packages (still lacking documentation and much polish) can be found in kalyxo staging archive: deb http://www.kalyxo.org/debian experimental main They already build and install, but are rather tricky to use. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.6-1-686 Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
Bug#255850: ITP: nx -- NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system
Hi Peter, I'm not (yet) an official Debian developer, but I'm very interested in add nomachine nx into Debian, so if you need help in packaging (co-maintain if you want) or testing the packages, here I am. :) Have a good day, Fabio. On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 02:34:21PM +0200, Peter Rockai (mornfall) wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: nx Version : 1.3.99 Upstream Author : NoMachine * URL : http://www.nomachine.com/ * License : GPL Description : NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system NoMachine NX is the next-generation X compression and roundtrip suppression scheme. It can operate remote X11 sessions over 56k modem dialup links or anything better. -- Fabio Tranchitella ! kobold.it, Turin, Italy - Free is better! --- http://www.kobold.it, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- GPG Key fingerprint: 5465 6E69 E559 6466 BF3D 9F01 2BF8 EE2B 7F96 1564 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#255850: ITP: nx -- NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system
On Wednesday 23 June 2004 14:34, Peter Rockai (mornfall) wrote: deb http://www.kalyxo.org/debian experimental main nxproxy: Depends: libxcompext0 which is a virtual package. libxcompext0 should be libnxcompext0 pgpku5pP7KqvU.pgp Description: signature
Bug#255850: ITP: nx -- NoMachine NX - an X compression and roundtrip elimination system
On Wednesday 23 June 2004 18:25, Isaac Clerencia wrote: On Wednesday 23 June 2004 14:34, Peter Rockai (mornfall) wrote: deb http://www.kalyxo.org/debian experimental main nxproxy: Depends: libxcompext0 which is a virtual package. libxcompext0 should be libnxcompext0 Oh, thanks for spotting, just a stupid typo (bah, i should have tested the package better; but it's in experimental of staging archive for a reason). Anyway, i'm building fixed version now, expect fixed upload soon (it will still take at least hour tho... maybe a bit more).
